Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[darwin553]

walsh is beginning to sound just like DB

christafano ‏@christafano 3h
@DavidWalshST hi david, as per kerrison quotes, what do you think about sky riders surpassing lance's times?

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 3h
@christafano Kerrison believes LA's times will be beaten by clean athletes and points to his coaching Aussie swimmers to beat dopers' WRs.

clean athletes beating dopers times is the new reality huh?

What better target is there to achieve?

 

[darwin553]

some Aussie swimmers are known dopers themselves LOL

Would you like to qualify that statement?

 

[mikehammer67]

some Aussie swimmers are known dopers themselves LOL

ya i knew the joke was in there

thought i'd leave it to someone else

 

[sniper]

walsh is beginning to sound just like DB

christafano ‏@christafano 3h
@DavidWalshST hi david, as per kerrison quotes, what do you think about sky riders surpassing lance's times?

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 3h
@christafano Kerrison believes LA's times will be beaten by clean athletes and points to his coaching Aussie swimmers to beat dopers' WRs.

clean athletes beating dopers times is the new reality huh?

ffs, where did the old david walsh go? did somebody snatch his body? he's a charicature of the guy that went after lance.

 

[zastomito]

Ian Thorpe.

 

[the sceptic]

Maybe the australian swimmers bought a power based training plan ONLINE

 

[darwin553]

ffs, where did the old david walsh go? did somebody snatch his body? he's a charicature of the guy that went after lance.

Probably lost a bit of his edge considering his lifework of going after Armstrong is nearly complete.

 

[sniper]

Ian Thorpe.

To repeat Kerrison there and thus ignore the rumors surrounding Ian Thorpe is just the next piece of evidence that Walsh has his head stuck so deep in Sky's bottom he can't see straight anymore.

Walsh doing a 180 on his old self.

Probably lost a bit of his edge considering his lifework of going after Armstrong is nearly complete.

this probably.

 

[mikehammer67]

my opinion

he seems a bit full of himself after the whole lance thing


he may be keeping an open mind the whole time though

i mean he can't just make *** up like it's the clinic

 

[zlev11]

if Froome was American he'd be up in arms over that Ax-3 time

Walsh is a loser

 

[darwin553]

my opinion

he seems a bit full of himself after the whole lance thing


he may be keeping an open mind the whole time though

i mean he can't just make *** up like it's the clinic

Does he really want to go through the best part of another 13 year journey where he is continuously kicked and spat on by the non-believers of his cause?

 

[mikehammer67]

if Froome was American he'd be up in arms over that Ax-3 time

Walsh is a loser

beating tony martin to the first 2 splits was a little strange too like......

 

[mikehammer67]

you have kimmage on the radio sat and wednesday calling out sky for doping both times

walsh is in there with team sky......tricky situation

biding his time ,got his job to think about ....says he wants evidence first

prob fair enough

 

[sniper]

Does he really want to go through the best part of another 13 year journey where he is continuously kicked and spat on by the non-believers of his cause?

of course, the fact that he isn't going after sky is fully understandable.
but to serve as a Sky-PR mouthpiece is something else.
let's face it, he got bought by sky.
if he had some integrity he w/c/should 've stayed more agnostic wrt sky, and reject the envelopes.

 

[darwin553]

of course, the fact that he isn't going after sky is fully understandable.
but to serve as a Sky-PR mouthpiece is something else.
let's face it, he got bought by sky.
if he had some integrity he w/c/should 've stayed more agnostic wrt sky, and reject the envelopes.

But doesn't Sky own the newspaper he writes for? If so, he's limited either way in how far he can scrutinize the team.

 

[mikehammer67]

But doesn't Sky own the newspaper he writes for? If so, he's limited either way in how far he can scrutinize the team.

what does he do if he gets information

he prob have to resign and go on twitter with it?

or else just keep quiet and keep his job

 

[sniper]

But doesn't Sky own the newspaper he writes for? If so, he's limited either way in how far he can scrutinize the team.

yes, but that doesn't force him to repeat obvious PR statements such as kerrison's, does it?
he could stay more agnostic on the matter.
the fact that he's so uncritically repeating sky's PR to me suggests he's receiving bonuses.

 

[darwin553]

what does he do if he gets information

he prob have to resign and go on twitter with it?

or else just keep quiet and keep his job

If he gets information that's a different story but I can hardly see him, given these circumstances, being a diligent, independent inquirer into the team's affairs.

 

[mikehammer67]

there's no indication he actually believes the statement

it can also appear that he may not actually believe it

if you put yourself in his position and read it back

 

[mikehammer67]

If he gets information that's a different story but I can hardly see him, given these circumstances, being a diligent, independent inquirer into the team's affairs.

he's obviously compromised to some extent as he works for the same organization

goes without saying

 

[oldcrank]

Yet there we had all those people talking of how the dirty Cobo was screwing the clean Froome. Nobody was putting in marathon hours in the Clinic explaining how Cobo could do what he did clean. A lot of mud was thrown, oftentimes by people who now shriek "where's the evidence?" when Sky are accused.

I recall reporters trying to get Bradley Marc Wiggins to question
Cobo and he unequivocally said "those are your words, not mine"
and refused to be drawn in or to belittle Cobo's accomplishments.
It certainly was not Team SKY, or SKY riders "shrieking", they are
much too classy for that.

 

[the sceptic]

I recall reporters trying to get Bradley Marc Wiggins to question
Cobo and he unequivocally said "those are your words, not mine"
and refused to be drawn in or to belittle Cobo's accomplishments.
It certainly was not Team SKY, or SKY riders "shrieking", they are
much too classy for that.

I recall sir BMW, CBE questioning obvious doped performances in the past.
But that was before he made a magical transformation and started competing with dopers himself.

 

[sniper]

there's no indication he actually believes the statement

it can also appear that he may not actually believe it

if you put yourself in his position and read it back

this is true. he does use indirect quotes a lot (i.e. kerrison says... brailsford told me that..., etc.), so he's not factually putting those views out there as his own.

that's also why i haven't fully given up on walsh yet. i hope he surprises me after the tour and raises some red flags, or just a few question marks would do.

 

[mikehammer67]

yes

he can't really be sniping away like it's the clinic


i don't think he will be in a position to question skys performance without hard evidence

that would be difficult given his employment status

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I recall reporters trying to get Bradley Marc Wiggins to question
Cobo and he unequivocally said "those are your words, not mine"
and refused to be drawn in or to belittle Cobo's accomplishments.
It certainly was not Team SKY, or SKY riders "shrieking", they are
much too classy for that.

Wiggins has displayed that there can be holes in his maintaining a level of class since then, but that's by the by.

I never said that Team Sky themselves were shrieking about the dirty Cobo beating the clean Froome, it was more fans (and the occasional retiring pro, I remember Charlie Wegelius tweeting something snarky along the lines of "Cobo? Really?") - but many of those fans are the same ones who cling to every BS justification Brailsford gives, and find themselves contorting realities to spin the contradictions into some cohesive narrative. Next step: Brailsford tries to convince everybody the conspiracy against Sky is so bad they need to move to Guyana and set up a new society.

On Walsh, it's just like Wiggins with Armstrong: you don't have to raze the ground. It's not always the right approach. But just because you aren't going to go for the scorched earth policy does not mean you have to go all the way to the other side. Getting on Armstrong's bad side would have been stupid for Wiggins - but lots of riders were able to get by without having to go out of their way to explicitly praise him like Wiggins did without getting ostracised like Bassons or Simeoni. And the same goes for Walsh here - he doesn't need to attack Sky, much as the Clinic might desperately want him to. But there's a difference between "not attacking Sky" and "blatantly re-posting PR". David Walsh is a guy who has plenty of credibility as a journalist, and it only serves to damage that credibility when he, of all people, starts providing the equivalent in-depth journalism to the CN articles from early 2010 about such important revolutionary exclusives as "Team Sky perfect sprint train in sprint training" and "Team Sky train for TT using TT bikes".