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[Linkinito]

VO2 Max is *not* "exact maximal capabilities"...

Agreed. VO2Max means nothing if the fibers nor the muscles of your legs can't sustain a 7-hour long consecutive effort.

 

[martinvickers]

VO2 Max is *not* "exact maximal capabilities"...

I'm well aware of that, Netserk, but it DOES form part of them, or a measurement thereof, or else frankly, nobody would mention them.

So if we can return to the question,please, thank you...

 

[martinvickers]

Agreed. VO2Max means nothing if the fibers nor the muscles of your legs can't sustain a 7-hour long consecutive effort.

True, to a point. High VO2 max is not in itself sufficient - but it is, broadly speaking, necessary.

Or to put it another, more hyperbolic way, having two big lungs is not alone nearly enough to break big endurance speed records in any sport. But you try doing it without them....

Now if we can get back to the question, thanks...

 

[martinvickers]

JV said there was some mystery hidden test in Aigle that even he hadn't seen which said the Dawgs VO2 was off the charts.

It's locked in a safe and no one has the keys.

I really don't think he said all that,Hog. I think you may be exaggerating for comic effect. Unless you can point me to JV talking about safes and keys, in which case, of course, I'll happily accept correction...

 

[thehog]

I really don't think he said all that,Hog. I think you may be exaggerating for comic effect. Unless you can point me to JV talking about safes and keys, in which case, of course, I'll happily accept correction...

In the JV thread. Get your research team onto it.

It's all there bar the safe part. That was sarcasm to emphasise whilst JV was willing to reference said test, he'd not actually seen it. Just said he'd "heard about it".

You're familiar with sarcasm no doubt. It's a useful tool. You use it now and then but lack the comic nous to use it with the panache that I do.

 

[martinvickers]

In the JV thread. Get your research team onto it.

Better still, you point it out, since you raised it. Good lad.

It's all there bar the safe part. That was sarcasm to emphasise whilst JV was willing to reference said test, he'd not actually seen it. Just said he'd "heard about it".

You're familiar with sarcasm no doubt. It's a useful tool. You use it now and then but lack the comic nous to use it with the panache that I do.

Panache. Yes, it's a description. Not oen I'd have used, but YMMV.

So the sum total of the little jape is that JV mentioned that Froome had been tested. Ok, thanks

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

If you and your team knew Froome's, or anyone elses, exact maximal capabilities, why would it NOT help you make tactical decisions? Why is that funny, I don't understand...

Do you think Fred Grappe had to sign a document given the fact he is aligned with FDJ?

It is BS vickers. Even a child can do a google search and realise what Sky is doing reeeeeeks. For instance;


Okay, lets move on:
vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 8 augustus
#TDF, Stage 20. MTF Semnoz. Alejandro Valverde ["61 kg"].
37:30 — SRM 360.1 W.
36:38 — DrF: 356.5 W. (vs. SRM -1.00%). CPL: 364.3W (+1.17%).

Followed by:
http://www.movistarteam.com/equipo/alejandro-valverde
Valverde = 61 kilo

Third week Tour, lets say a kilo lossed:
360.1/60 = 6w/k on Semnoz for Allejandroito

Froome was only 1 minute 13 seconds faster.

With that info release by Movistar [why do they release data and sky dont?], people dont need to see the SRM file of FRoome/Sky to know what is BS and what is not.

 

[thehog]

Better still, you point it out, since you raised it. Good lad.

Panache. Yes, it's a description. Not oen I'd have used, but YMMV.

So the sum total of the little jape is that JV mentioned that Froome had been tested. Ok, thanks

No.

JV said his test was "off the charts".

Be good if you could concentrate on the detail rather than deriding me.

Play the ball not the man Martin.

Back to the content at hand. If JV believes there is a test of Froome, conducted pre-Sky, perhaps Chris should release it, no?

To temper the questions of his performances?

Thoughts?

 

[DirtyWorks]

No.

JV said his test was "off the charts".

....If JV believes there is a test of Froome, conducted pre-Sky, perhaps Chris should release it, no?

To temper the questions of his performances?

Thoughts?

If there is a super-secret test held by the UCI, maybe it would have been during Froome's visit to the UCI to train? http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?id=OTQ1Mw&MenuId=MTI2Mjc

"He wasn't bad..... He never really stood out in his category when he was with us...." ... The surest sign he was destined to suddenly turn into a field destroying elite. Just like a Lemond or Altig...

The UCI's emphasis on growing cycling in Africa goes back a few years now. Does anyone know when ASO/UCI broadcast rights for races were sold into South Africa?

 

[red_flanders]

If there is a super-secret test held by the UCI, maybe it would have been during Froome's visit to the UCI to train? http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?id=OTQ1Mw&MenuId=MTI2Mjc

"He wasn't bad..... He never really stood out in his category when he was with us...." ... The surest sign he was destined to suddenly turn into a field destroying elite. Just like a Lemond or Altig...

The UCI's emphasis on growing cycling in Africa goes back a few years now. Does anyone know when ASO/UCI broadcast rights for races were sold into South Africa?

Great stuff.

Only quibble I'd have is that I never saw Lemond destroy a field like that. He always had to really fight out his wins.

 

[EnacheV]

Maybe Froome's VO2 max is 2x what is human possible and that will uncover his alien origins.

 

[Benotti69]

I guess the doc on Barloworld knows Froome's Vo2Max.

 

[thehog]

If there is a super-secret test held by the UCI, maybe it would have been during Froome's visit to the UCI to train? http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?id=OTQ1Mw&MenuId=MTI2Mjc

"He wasn't bad..... He never really stood out in his category when he was with us...." ... The surest sign he was destined to suddenly turn into a field destroying elite. Just like a Lemond or Altig...

The UCI's emphasis on growing cycling in Africa goes back a few years now. Does anyone know when ASO/UCI broadcast rights for races were sold into South Africa?

That's the one. Hidden inside the UCI vaults this is the test that JV references.

Clearly his intel is wrong as it appears the Dawg posted some moderate numbers.

Which of course in the new clean era of cycling means you're going to blow away former records of dopers.

Froome: "My journey has been an extraordinary adventure"

Indeed it has Dawg, indeed it has.

 

[EnacheV]

I guess the doc on Barloworld knows Froome's Vo2Max.

I don't think so

Some journalist already asked him probably, if he knew it would be out by now.

 

[EnacheV]

"He wasn't bad..... He never really stood out in his category when he was with us...." ... The surest sign he was destined to suddenly turn into a field destroying elite. Just like a Lemond or Altig...

says the "Alex Roussel, the WCC's head mechanic"

rofl, the most probable talent spotter. probably he is reffering to Froomes low ability with screws and bolts

some of the dopeborgs statements are so full of fun.

P.S. when i want to laugh there are 2 internet places i visit : a humor site in my native language and the clinic. some of the things here are very funny. like this "froome is not talented" forgetting to say who's the guy saying it, the one the fix bikes. this is funny as hell.

 

[thehog]

says the "Alex Roussel, the WCC's head mechanic"

rofl, the most probable talent spotter. probably he is reffering to Froomes low ability with screws and bolts

some of the dopeborgs statements are so full of fun.

P.S. when i want to laugh there are 2 internet places i visit : a humor site in my native language and the clinic. some of the things here are very funny. like this "froome is not talented" forgetting to say who's the guy saying it, the one the fix bikes. this is funny as hell.

I dunno.

Motoman the mechanic appears to have spotted the talent in Froome & Porte

 

[Benotti69]

I dunno.

Motoman the mechanic appears to have spotted the talent in Froome & Porte

Sky appears to be very choosey when it comes to mechanics. They obviously place a lot of importance in them.

 

[MatParker117]

Do you think Fred Grappe had to sign a document given the fact he is aligned with FDJ?

It is BS vickers. Even a child can do a google search and realise what Sky is doing reeeeeeks. For instance;


Okay, lets move on:
vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 8 augustus
#TDF, Stage 20. MTF Semnoz. Alejandro Valverde ["61 kg"].
37:30 — SRM 360.1 W.
36:38 — DrF: 356.5 W. (vs. SRM -1.00%). CPL: 364.3W (+1.17%).

Followed by:
http://www.movistarteam.com/equipo/alejandro-valverde
Valverde = 61 kilo

Third week Tour, lets say a kilo lossed:
360.1/60 = 6w/k on Semnoz for Allejandroito

Froome was only 1 minute 13 seconds faster.

With that info release by Movistar [why do they release data and sky dont?], people dont need to see the SRM file of FRoome/Sky to know what is BS and what is not.

They did release data or did you miss the piece in l'equipe?

 

[Benotti69]

I don't think so

Some journalist already asked him probably, if he knew it would be out by now.

I doubt Dr Massimiliano Mantovani would talk to journalists.

 

[thehog]

They did release data or did you miss the piece in l'equipe?

Cheers.

Could you send us all a copy of the data?

Specially pre-Vuelta 2011.

Oh that's right, not released.

Horner released his SRM and bio to the public. Any updates when Froome might do so?

 

[EnacheV]

Horner released his SRM and bio to the public. Any updates when Froome might do so?

That is top secret. Froome wants to win next 7 TdF's, he will release everything in 2020, aged 4*, like Horner.

 

[the sceptic]

Cheers.

Could you send us all a copy of the data?

Specially pre-Vuelta 2011.

Oh that's right, not released.

Horner released his SRM and bio to the public. Any updates when Froome might do so?

For skyfans the calendar doesnt go back further than 2011. Its very neat because then you can pretend Froome has always been around and that he is normal.

 

[TheGame]

Cheers.

Horner released his SRM and bio to the public. Any updates when Froome might do so?

Only his SRM data didn't add up and it would appear that it was adjusted slightly to fall into line with the team saying he weighs more than he actually does.

And his bio-passport data is far from evidence of him being clean, at best its inclusive, at worst its suspicious.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That is top secret. Froome wants to win next 7 TdF's, he will release everything in 2020, aged 4*, like Horner.

lol, good response.

 

[thehog]

Only his SRM data didn't add up and it would appear that it was adjusted slightly to fall into line with the team saying he weighs more than he actually does.

And his bio-passport data is far from evidence of him being clean, at best its inclusive, at worst its suspicious.

Cool.

No one saying Horner is clean.

But Sky/Froome need to ante up.

They are clocked in secrecy. And this latest Motoman revelation is just a other nail in the Sky/doping saga.

Transparency from Team Sky ZTP wouldn't go astray.