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martinvickers said:Strawman, Hog.
No-one suggested doping was unique. And you know it. What is, supposedly unique, is Froome's rise. Address what's actually written. It speeds things up wonderfully.
Sella never got within a fart's blast of a Froomish rise. try again, Hog.
1. Cycling=doping is a religious persuasion, not an argument, and I have no interest in theology, even of the flat earth nature. Or as the finance guys say - previous returns are no guarantee of future performance.
Some will always dope. Absolutely. Froome, or any other Sky rider may be among them. Absolutely. Therefore it follows FRoome and a.n. other are definitely doping? No. Logic fail. try harder.
2. I have made no mention in this conversation that leads to the baloney on suspending belief on doping. You know my views on Froome. What i'm doing is challenging some of the sillier expulsions. No more. No less.
Well, you're entitled not to buy it, hog. I just find it hard to credit that because Armstrong behaves in way x, all riders must.
I agree. Personally I'd love to see more data. But with one proviso. I know darn well, it'll answer nothing in places like this. And in your heart of hearts, so do you, Hog.
I don't want to get derailed about Henao, he has his own thread. But don't assume I haven't dug a bit already. Or that I won't continue to.
That a because Sella got caught and if you think winning 3 stages in one Giro and coming 6th against doped up Contador and Ricco then he was a Froome for sure. And looked just as ungainly on a bike.
And who said, 'Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes? Using finance analogies probably doesn't cut it for the obvious reason that very industry blew up the world! i.e. just like doping when people try not only to predict the future but guarantee results, money and in this case doping is at the bottom of the pile.
You're welcome to challenge but I feel your current argument is based on the 'hearts and minds" type of emotion approach and not one based on logic, the - why would froome do this? And its not possible the entire team could dope, or why wouldn't they pick the British guy instead to dope? type rebuttals.
Nice guy David Miller was happy to snort, sniff, inject his way around France. Its not hard to believe someone else would do the same, is it?
And for the record. No one ever thought the world was flat, ever. That's one of those emotive logic curveballs that gets thrown. Not true.