The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
Revolting.
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Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
coinneach said:Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
TheSpud said:Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
He was talking about how some of the support riders had been variable - that wouldn't include Porte since after Froome dropped out he became #1 ...
Dear Wiggo said:TheSpud said:Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
He was talking about how some of the support riders had been variable - that wouldn't include Porte since after Froome dropped out he became #1 ...
Yeah the article is actually about this year's TdF, despite the introduction mentioning the 2014 Tour.
Porte was variable this year.
Froome won.
richtea said:I fundamentally disagree that there is large volume of empirical evidence against Frome (in strong contrast to other riders in the past). All arguments that I have seen are grounded in an extrapolation of what has happened in the past to provide an explanation of the present. While I agree there are solid grounds for those doubts, the reasoning appears largely analytical in nature. Anyone that claims they 'know' Froome is doping should probably tone down the hyperbole, as it is clearly a claim that can't be made.
Personally, I think it would be far more useful if the team car to rider radio comms were made freely available (just like pit to car in F1)………….then we’d all be able to hear Brailsford talking to Froome:coinneach said:Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
TheSpud said:coinneach said:Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
That's only because there are weight rules that aren't applicable to Cycling
Ironhead Slim said:Handy Bendy Ghandi said:Personally, I think it would be far more useful if the team car to rider radio comms were made freely available (just like pit to car in F1)………….then we’d all be able to hear Brailsford talking to Froome:coinneach said:Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
“Slow down Chris your figures are looking abnormal…..”
“OK, you can speed up again now…….”
“No, no…..too fast….slow down again……and try to look like you’re suffering……”
“Oops, watch that cup of p!ss………pour some water over your head to wash it off….and don’t think I’m hugging you after the stage Sonny Jim……..damn, those poor podium girls have to kiss you on the cheek…..”
“OK…..your average W/Kg figure is way down now…….you can hammer it to the finish…”
And so on, and so on……….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhCMADl_nY
blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
doperhopper said:TheSpud said:coinneach said:Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
That's only because there are weight rules that aren't applicable to Cycling
We need weight passport!
TheSpud said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
Many things I would have said:
Better diet (and yes calorie deficit to a certain extent).
Better overall training for conditioning and fitness.
Better targeted training of specific muscle groups - ie hit the legs, but let the arms go. Focus the weight on the power areas.
OOC cortisone.
None of which are illegal ...
And, no, I wont bow to your direction that calorie deficit wont cut it. I've seen what calorie deficit can do (good and bad) so I will quote it above.
red_flanders said:TheSpud said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
Many things I would have said:
Better diet (and yes calorie deficit to a certain extent).
Better overall training for conditioning and fitness.
Better targeted training of specific muscle groups - ie hit the legs, but let the arms go. Focus the weight on the power areas.
OOC cortisone.
None of which are illegal ...
And, no, I wont bow to your direction that calorie deficit wont cut it. I've seen what calorie deficit can do (good and bad) so I will quote it above.
Other than OOC cortisone, not sure which of those things every team hasn't been doing since...forever. Literally all of that is covered in the Eddy B. book I read in 1989 (printed 1985). Better how? Specifically? Why do you believe Sky can just magically do it better when people have been optimizing this for as long as I've been in the sport? Curious.
Stilletto said:What did tiernan-Locke get suspended for ?
Any news on whistle blowing on the team, but I suppose once a grass no more jobs in the boys club that seems to be the le dopage ?
Anyone know who is the "cleanest" team in peloton that meaning no riders caught or suspended ?
But maybe that just means they are the best at hiding it ?
TheSpud said:red_flanders said:TheSpud said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
Many things I would have said:
Better diet (and yes calorie deficit to a certain extent).
Better overall training for conditioning and fitness.
Better targeted training of specific muscle groups - ie hit the legs, but let the arms go. Focus the weight on the power areas.
OOC cortisone.
None of which are illegal ...
And, no, I wont bow to your direction that calorie deficit wont cut it. I've seen what calorie deficit can do (good and bad) so I will quote it above.
Other than OOC cortisone, not sure which of those things every team hasn't been doing since...forever. Literally all of that is covered in the Eddy B. book I read in 1989 (printed 1985). Better how? Specifically? Why do you believe Sky can just magically do it better when people have been optimizing this for as long as I've been in the sport? Curious.
I agree, and actually I would add in the OOC cortisone - I thought that was the choice of the French (and other teams)?
You say why are Sky better? Well, the 'riddle' above was the comparison between Barloworld and now - that is what I was responding to. Barloword - hardly a big budget team. I would expect Sky to p1ss all over them in terms of budget, training, coaches, and know how - so yes, thats why they would be some way ahead. I would imagine they are (much much) more disciplined (certainly than Barlow) and can (and do) organise / manage the team as a team rather than letting their riders just ride / train when they wanted. Thats where I was coming from in the comment above. I dont disagree that other (ProTour) teams are doing some / all of this - but that wasnt the comparison that was asked for.