Well, we know he rid himself of about 6kgs of enormous bidons stuffed down his shirt when he woke up one morning and decided domestique duties were below him.
yeah but did LRP get his blood poured down the toilet like the Hog did not Landis' blood during the Tour?Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
So it has nothing to do with whoever wrote the article then? Or whoever edited it?Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
That's only because there are weight rules that aren't applicable to Cyclingcoinneach said:+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
He was talking about how some of the support riders had been variable - that wouldn't include Porte since after Froome dropped out he became #1 ...Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
Yeah the article is actually about this year's TdF, despite the introduction mentioning the 2014 Tour.TheSpud said:He was talking about how some of the support riders had been variable - that wouldn't include Porte since after Froome dropped out he became #1 ...Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
My apologies - I got side tracked by the "This time last year we drove six hours to Paris, phones off" line and failed to spot we had jumped back to this year later in the article when talking about certain riders. Who knows though, maybe he was happy with Porte? Maybe it wasn't worth dwelling on his performance as he is leaving.Dear Wiggo said:Yeah the article is actually about this year's TdF, despite the introduction mentioning the 2014 Tour.TheSpud said:He was talking about how some of the support riders had been variable - that wouldn't include Porte since after Froome dropped out he became #1 ...Dear Wiggo said:The total absence of Porte's name in that article speaks VOLUMES about Brailsford's management style. Petty and small-minded, reminiscent of Vaughters.
Revolting.
Porte was variable this year.
Froome won.
Climbing times equal or better with the greats of the epo era is hardly a mere extrapolation of what has happened in the past to provide an explanation of the present; epistemically, it provides far more than merely solid grounds for doubt.richtea said:I fundamentally disagree that there is large volume of empirical evidence against Frome (in strong contrast to other riders in the past). All arguments that I have seen are grounded in an extrapolation of what has happened in the past to provide an explanation of the present. While I agree there are solid grounds for those doubts, the reasoning appears largely analytical in nature. Anyone that claims they 'know' Froome is doping should probably tone down the hyperbole, as it is clearly a claim that can't be made.
Personally, I think it would be far more useful if the team car to rider radio comms were made freely available (just like pit to car in F1)………….then we’d all be able to hear Brailsford talking to Froome:coinneach said:+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
We need weight passport!TheSpud said:That's only because there are weight rules that aren't applicable to Cyclingcoinneach said:+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
Winner winner chicken dinner!!Ironhead Slim said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhCMADl_nYHandy Bendy Ghandi said:Personally, I think it would be far more useful if the team car to rider radio comms were made freely available (just like pit to car in F1)………….then we’d all be able to hear Brailsford talking to Froome:coinneach said:+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
“Slow down Chris your figures are looking abnormal…..”
“OK, you can speed up again now…….”
“No, no…..too fast….slow down again……and try to look like you’re suffering……”
“Oops, watch that cup of p!ss………pour some water over your head to wash it off….and don’t think I’m hugging you after the stage Sonny Jim……..damn, those poor podium girls have to kiss you on the cheek…..”
“OK…..your average W/Kg figure is way down now…….you can hammer it to the finish…”
And so on, and so on……….
Many things I would have said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
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Well the F1 rules are minimum weight including the driver. Not sure how that would work in cycling. In F1 the driver is a pittance compared with the car, in cycling its pretty much the reverse. In horse racing the jockey weight is probably about 1/6th of the Horse (guessing, but much much different than F1). It would either preclude tall riders, or encourage eating disorders (like horse racing), or worse.doperhopper said:We need weight passport!TheSpud said:That's only because there are weight rules that aren't applicable to Cyclingcoinneach said:+1 And why doesn't Fotheringham ask the obvious question?Dear Wiggo said:So Froome can lose tonnes of weight but maintain his power, or even increase it. Nicholas Roche is asked to maintain his weight to keep his power. I don't know how the skybots manage to keep up.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/dave-brailsford-team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france-2015-win?CMP=twt_gu
Let's hope other journalists with more guts follow this quote up.
And to reiterate earlier posters, the sooner we have independent weighing of riders, the better......jockeys & F1 drivers do it
Other than OOC cortisone, not sure which of those things every team hasn't been doing since...forever. Literally all of that is covered in the Eddy B. book I read in 1989 (printed 1985). Better how? Specifically? Why do you believe Sky can just magically do it better when people have been optimizing this for as long as I've been in the sport? Curious.TheSpud said:Many things I would have said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
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None of which are illegal ...
Better diet (and yes calorie deficit to a certain extent).
Better overall training for conditioning and fitness.
Better targeted training of specific muscle groups - ie hit the legs, but let the arms go. Focus the weight on the power areas.
OOC cortisone.
And, no, I wont bow to your direction that calorie deficit wont cut it. I've seen what calorie deficit can do (good and bad) so I will quote it above.
I agree on your first sentence, and actually I would add in the OOC cortisone - I thought that was the choice of the French (and other teams)?red_flanders said:Other than OOC cortisone, not sure which of those things every team hasn't been doing since...forever. Literally all of that is covered in the Eddy B. book I read in 1989 (printed 1985). Better how? Specifically? Why do you believe Sky can just magically do it better when people have been optimizing this for as long as I've been in the sport? Curious.TheSpud said:Many things I would have said:blackcat said:riddle me this Skysters, how does vroom lose ~6kg from this physique? he is already no bodyfat, no nonfunctional tissue, 30thousand miles a year professional. All functional muscle. Your control sample, is everyone who has been a pro in the last 50 years, even Rasmussen.
How does vroom become the thinnest ever pro when he was not that naturally, and he was doing 30k mile a year as a pro.
calorie deficit doesnt cut it Skysters
Its drugs
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None of which are illegal ...
Better diet (and yes calorie deficit to a certain extent).
Better overall training for conditioning and fitness.
Better targeted training of specific muscle groups - ie hit the legs, but let the arms go. Focus the weight on the power areas.
OOC cortisone.
And, no, I wont bow to your direction that calorie deficit wont cut it. I've seen what calorie deficit can do (good and bad) so I will quote it above.
JTL- spurious blood values (during his time with Net App).Stilletto said:What did tiernan-Locke get suspended for ?
Any news on whistle blowing on the team, but I suppose once a grass no more jobs in the boys club that seems to be the le dopage ?
Anyone know who is the "cleanest" team in peloton that meaning no riders caught or suspended ?
But maybe that just means they are the best at hiding it ?