Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[JimmyFingers]

Re: Re:

So the new definition of bullying is reacting to insinuations and accusations made against you

No Sky made the pronouncements and when questioned and called on them Sky reacted with accusations of bullying. Again you know this. But instead of Sky answering the questions and showing transparency to disprove the accusations they close ranks and act like victims.

Example.

Walsh made a huge deal of Armstrong working with Ferrari as evidence of doping.

When Walsh found out about Sky hiring Leinders the opposite deal was made that this proved Sky are clean!

Your ignoring some of the stuff that was in the list of Sky's supposed bullying

I consider what sky has done to be bullying, all of it. I gave one example(Dear Wiggo posted a funny one), in the slim hope that the discussion could move on but obfuscation seems to be fans 'job' for the day........

No neither are examples of bullying. Not in the slightest. And David Walsh isn't Sky anyway. Nor is Michelle Cound. Not obfuscating, just pointing out the fallacies in people's arguments, and the massive double standards being applied, considering the way Sky are talked about in here.

 

[The Carrot]

Here's an example from Freddy the Frog on the BC book thread.

Humiliating people in public=bullying

'Can I get to ask how Dr Peters' very own personal chimp felt that day at Newport, in front of the whole squad of riders and staff assembled in the big conference room at the Celtic Manor, when the man he had mentored to become a world colossus in man-management, particularly in a sporting context, Sir David Brailsford CBE, advised the assembled throng that the Senior Leadership Team (SLT) of which Dr Peters was a member, had met, without Dr Peters, and had unanimously agreed that it would, from this moment on, operate without Dr Peters, but that they could not be ars*d to inform Dr Peters in advance of the public announcement but needed to enjoy the moment of embarrassing him in front of everyone else, with his demotion ? That was of course Sir David Brailsford CBE deciding that he would go with the advice of Shane Sutton "kick out the chimp-meister" and Ian Drake, CEO of BC, the third member of the SLT, being about as active as ever either he or Brian Cookson were, in getting to the bottom of any of what must have appeared to them - "random" decisions.

[Cookson and Drake may well have identical family mottoes "If you don't ask, you will hear no lies".]

You see from where I am stood I just think it was Shane and Dave up to reinforcing their bully boy tactics. "Do as we say or you get kicked out. We don't care just who you are, we are in charge. Previously there was a sympathetic chimp-meister to champion any injustices, now you are left with Drakey-boy and everyone knows just how good he is. Our control is absolute. Rock the boat and you can ditch any dreams of going to the Olympics or World Championships."

But maybe the good doctor and his chimp see it in the wider scheme of the greater good of the advancement of marginal gains. Less time spent by Dr Peters listening to boring technical cycling stuff and more time for him to fluff riders' pillows.

I need to book a ticket and ask him. I am sure he is going to tell me the truth.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So was he there? Freddy I mean? Know these people personally, does he? So Dr Peters, who Brailsford described as the best signing I ever made, and who the Team Sky website still seems to think is on the payroll:

http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/staff/article/7756#bezLhbXITlwWjR0b.97

was actually bullied from his role at BC by David and Brian? Are you sure a poster in the clinic wasn't actually stretching the truth a little? Wikepedia has him stepping down from his role at the same time as Brailsford stepping down as performance director.

 

[Freddythefrog]

More than enough witnesses there you don't need to rely on just me.

I wonder why no one seems to have criticised Sir David or Shane Sutton over their antics ?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Except I can't find any mention of it on the internet, and he still works at Sky, right? Doesn't seem to be any bad blood. Perhaps you could direct me towards this numerous witness accounts of the events?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

There are some BC riders who warrant your support, however there are undoubtedly some who don't. Try and bring a little more subtlety to your analysis. Both positions i) "they are BC/Sky winners = they dope" and ii) "they are BC/Sky riders = they are clean" are bound to be wrong given the history of the sport and the history of the current crop of riders moving to the positions they currently reside, with numerous contacts with characters of "note".

Nuance is the word you're looking for ;-)

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think subtlety and nuance may be a forlorn hope in here where the order of the day is hyperbole. Thing is your post was quoted as an example of Sky being bullies, without corroboration it simply becomes an anecdote on an Internet forum.

 

[Afrank]

If you'd like proof behind a statement than it is appropriate to request a link, it is equally appropriate to do some searching online or in the thread yourself to find links that prove a statement/s.

But please do not accuse each other of trolling for minor postings. Discuss the topic, not each other. I don't have time now, but will probably come back to this thread and clean up some of the postings later.

 

[LeindersGains]

I think one of their secret weapons is tramadol or another opioid.

Poels looked like Froome today and would have won it if it wasn't for the crash.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re:

I think one of their secret weapons is tramadol or another opioid.

Poels looked like Froome today and would have won it if it wasn't for the crash.

One of their secrets is UCI favoritism. Never testing positive, rapid TUE, run by BC and more.

 

[wendybnt]

The last three are definitely true. No positive tests, very dodgy TUE for Froome not following UCI protocol at all, and yes the UCI is run by Brian Cookson. The first is an interpretation of these.

We'll probably never know.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: couldna

........you couldn't make this stuff up...........what?....you just did....

Mark L

What you think the Armstrong method was not taken up by others? Want proof? Oil Cookson sent to Colombia to act as a chaperone to Sky rider while altitude analysis testing was undertaken by the Sky and a BC approved university and the results are nowhere to be seen....you couldn't make it up.....

 

[blackcat]

murdoch.

fine specimen of humanity.

and wendi

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And SIr Craig Reedie. Let's not forget the guy who just let his organisation say thyroid medication is not performance enhancing or does not provide a masking function.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Sky and the Brits are forever the pantomime villain, you know that Mark. Enter stage left to a chorus so boos, forever stained by the Lance legacy.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Although I will admit the whole Sergio Henao affair was baffling.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I'm never sure what we are meant to think of Henao. Obviously, as a Sky rider he is one of the 'bad' dopers but as a Colombian he is one of the 'good' dopers? Is anyone able to clarify for me whether I am allowed to like him?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Bad until he joins another team, unless it's Garmin or Orica, then he's ok

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Re:

Bad until he joins another team, unless it's Garmin or Orica, then he's ok

I'm not sure it's a s simple as that. I'm pretty sure we are allowed to like Chaves and he is riding for Orica.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: pond life

........you couldn't make this stuff up...........what?....you just did....

Mark L

What you think the Armstrong method was not taken up by others? Want proof?

oops! now i see it......i've been rather slow......no further along the evolutionary

curve than pond life.......so lance doped...team sky must be doping...fifa are

corrupt so uci........must be corrupt.......and justin bieber is shite so team

sky must be shite........thanks! i will now approach the rest of my life

with greater awareness

Mark L

Well when presented with evidence that points to no change, especially after Brian Cookson's election was bulit on change and transparency, we have seen little. Yet you ignore it and take one line out and respond. Remember Merckx introduced Armstrong to Ferrari, the past is relevant, always.

Oh Mark we are not stupid, neither are you, dont act it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

I'm never sure what we are meant to think of Henao. Obviously, as a Sky rider he is one of the 'bad' dopers but as a Colombian he is one of the 'good' dopers? Is anyone able to clarify for me whether I am allowed to like him?

I think Landa proves that anyone leaving Sky automatically becomes a bad doper, although moving to Astana would make you the worst possible doper ever.

Ever.

Any doper coming to Sky is automatically cleansed in the refreshing handwash of marginal gains.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

I'm never sure what we are meant to think of Henao. Obviously, as a Sky rider he is one of the 'bad' dopers but as a Colombian he is one of the 'good' dopers? Is anyone able to clarify for me whether I am allowed to like him?

Since when do you ask the clinicians what you are allowed to do? Nonsenical post. You are better than this effort i would hope Bernie. Also as a non Sky fan time to change that old sky avatar methinks.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Bad until he joins another team, unless it's Garmin or Orica, then he's ok

Yeah Garmin are lovely and clean, ask Tommy D.

Oge another clean team ask Matt Stephens....

I dont think so.

But then the Walsh method is unsound.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Re: Re:

I'm never sure what we are meant to think of Henao. Obviously, as a Sky rider he is one of the 'bad' dopers but as a Colombian he is one of the 'good' dopers? Is anyone able to clarify for me whether I am allowed to like him?

I think Landa proves that anyone leaving Sky automatically becomes a bad doper, although moving to Astana would make you the worst possible doper ever.

Ever.

Any doper coming to Sky is automatically cleansed in the refreshing handwash of marginal gains.

I wish I could understand what you meant. Landa has not even joined Sky yet, what's this about him leaving them?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

I'm never sure what we are meant to think of Henao. Obviously, as a Sky rider he is one of the 'bad' dopers but as a Colombian he is one of the 'good' dopers? Is anyone able to clarify for me whether I am allowed to like him?

I think Landa proves that anyone leaving Sky automatically becomes a bad doper, although moving to Astana would make you the worst possible doper ever.

Ever.

Any doper coming to Sky is automatically cleansed in the refreshing handwash of marginal gains.

I wish I could understand what you meant. Landa has not even joined Sky yet, what's this about him leaving them?

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