Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Gung Ho Gun]

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Just found this and thought I'd post it as I know it'll give some of you lot a boner...

"Marginal gains is a philosophy that Jeppesen is keen for Froome and co to understand fully. ‘We have all kinds of programmes and are trying hard to educate the riders,’ he told us, before revealing that the application of these principles doesn’t only apply when the riders are on the bike.

The team has what Jeppesen calls the ‘Hotel set-up’ which sees Team Sky staff members scrub the rider’s hotel rooms from top to bottom before the likes of Geraint Thomas even step foot inside. ‘When you stay in hotel rooms some of them are pretty grim, so we clean them up so they’re in a good state for the riders.’ Nothing is left to chance"

Enjoy :geek:

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/team-sky/1524/inside-team-sky

I fully agree with this:

No, what Sky have done is found the right people and made the most of their skills. Every one of them, save the newly-added Landa, has improved their ranking once they joined Team Sky. ... it's obvious that Sky are simply preparing their riders well. And here is the one place where I would say the money absolutely makes a difference.

The one sentence I replaced with "..." was originally "Unless you want to wander off into unfounded doping accusations,".

 

[doolols]

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http://www.podiumcafe.com/2016/7/28/12315044/turning-the-page-on-the-tour-have-sky-bought-cycling

If you take away the opaque glasses for a second, that article is a good one. They have a team that is geared to winning Le Tour. Yes, they do other stuff throughout the year, as they're contracted to do. But you don't see the single-minded purpose of Sky on other teams. It's easy for all to see how it works - those black and blue shirts are always up the front, and 99% of the time, there are at least 3 team mates around Froome. Witness the difference - Froome has a crash, breaks his bike, and he jumps on Thomas's, because he's there for that purpose, right behind him. Ritchie Porte has a problem, and there's no one around him to give him a wheel, and that stuffs his Tour prospects for the rest of the 3 weeks.

 

[kwikki]

I think it's instructive to compare what Sky did in the 2014 TdF with what Tinkov did this year. (Also see Sky's Giro in 2014)

 

[budegan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpdEbD2BwE&list=TLkXGhd6CNE7EwNDA4MjAxNg

 

[ontheroad]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpdEbD2BwE&list=TLkXGhd6CNE7EwNDA4MjAxNg

Chain lube as a marginal gain!!

 

[pastronef]

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http://www.podiumcafe.com/2016/7/28/12315044/turning-the-page-on-the-tour-have-sky-bought-cycling

If you take away the opaque glasses for a second, that article is a good one. They have a team that is geared to winning Le Tour. Yes, they do other stuff throughout the year, as they're contracted to do. But you don't see the single-minded purpose of Sky on other teams. It's easy for all to see how it works - those black and blue shirts are always up the front, and 99% of the time, there are at least 3 team mates around Froome. Witness the difference - Froome has a crash, breaks his bike, and he jumps on Thomas's, because he's there for that purpose, right behind him. Ritchie Porte has a problem, and there's no one around him to give him a wheel, and that stuffs his Tour prospects for the rest of the 3 weeks.

they are 100% behind 1 leader. in July the focus is that.

 

[justifieddoubter]

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And yet Mikel Landa with his infectious gastroenteritis was allowed to start a stage at the Giro alongside the rest of his team mates.

Also, considering they can just fast-track a TUE whenever their riders get infections, why bother with all the cleanliness?

You wouldn't want there to be any bugs in there so it's good idea to give the rooms a good sweep first. Straight out of the US Postal playbook

Marginal gains = knowing the pharmacology for salbutamol, ventolin, cortisone, etc. Maybe even thyroid meds.

Whether its more efficacious to administer via injection, orally, half-life...

 

[Vladivar]

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And yet Mikel Landa with his infectious gastroenteritis was allowed to start a stage at the Giro alongside the rest of his team mates.

Also, considering they can just fast-track a TUE whenever their riders get infections, why bother with all the cleanliness?

You wouldn't want there to be any bugs in there so it's good idea to give the rooms a good sweep first. Straight out of the US Postal playbook

Marginal gains = knowing the pharmacology for salbutamol, ventolin, cortisone, etc. Maybe even thyroid meds.

Whether its more efficacious to administer via injection, orally, half-life...

Brilliant, made me laugh loads :lol:

Cheers

 

[Lyon]

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http://www.podiumcafe.com/2016/7/28/12315044/turning-the-page-on-the-tour-have-sky-bought-cycling

If you take away the opaque glasses for a second, that article is a good one. They have a team that is geared to winning Le Tour. Yes, they do other stuff throughout the year, as they're contracted to do. But you don't see the single-minded purpose of Sky on other teams. It's easy for all to see how it works - those black and blue shirts are always up the front, and 99% of the time, there are at least 3 team mates around Froome. Witness the difference - Froome has a crash, breaks his bike, and he jumps on Thomas's, because he's there for that purpose, right behind him. Ritchie Porte has a problem, and there's no one around him to give him a wheel, and that stuffs his Tour prospects for the rest of the 3 weeks.

they are 100% behind 1 leader. in July the focus is that.

This is another red herring of sorts, or rather, something that is not unique to Sky. After all, this is an easy task to master when you are protecting a rider so strong he can win with or without you. As both Banesto and US Postal (and even Telecom) learned, it comes with the territory - a team grows around it's leader.

 

[42x16ss]

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http://www.podiumcafe.com/2016/7/28/12315044/turning-the-page-on-the-tour-have-sky-bought-cycling

If you take away the opaque glasses for a second, that article is a good one. They have a team that is geared to winning Le Tour. Yes, they do other stuff throughout the year, as they're contracted to do. But you don't see the single-minded purpose of Sky on other teams. It's easy for all to see how it works - those black and blue shirts are always up the front, and 99% of the time, there are at least 3 team mates around Froome. Witness the difference - Froome has a crash, breaks his bike, and he jumps on Thomas's, because he's there for that purpose, right behind him. Ritchie Porte has a problem, and there's no one around him to give him a wheel, and that stuffs his Tour prospects for the rest of the 3 weeks.

they are 100% behind 1 leader. in July the focus is that.

This is another red herring of sorts, or rather, something that is not unique to Sky. After all, this is an easy task to master when you are protecting a rider so strong he can win with or without you. As both Banesto and US Postal (and even Telecom) learned, it comes with the territory - a team grows around it's leader.

Very much a red herring. Froome is nowhere near the first to finish a stage on a teammates bike, and won't be the last. Where possible, most teams even have a rider whose bike is fitted for the team leader instead of them for this very purpose. It is not a new practise, Froome was just lucky enough to have his teammate strong enough to be around at the pointy end of the stage.

This is like Froome's pedalling on the top tube - very over reported. Nathan Haas did the same thing when he attacked the break at last years TDF and Mohoric was doing it before Haas. Froome does it once 12 months later and suddenly this is a new groundbreaking move

 

[burning]

This was a fan's reaction to Froome's descent.

I didn't even know that you could do what Froome is doing now.

He invented something new.

 

[McLovin]

Ok, I know it's offtopic, but Sky News made a report in Romania with some guys who, apparently were selling assault guns to terrorist or whoever need some. They sent a crew here to meet with the guys and made a long interview with them. Just that...there was a little problem. Today it was announced that those guns were actually hunting guns that every guy with a hunting license can buy them. When contacted by a news station from Romania with the truth told in their face, well, their response was that Stuart Ramseyi, the reporter, is in holiday. Period. Marginal news.
Again, when Top Gear made a show with our Transfagarasan road (climb) thee were quite a few embarrassing moments not related to any form of truth. But maybe that's what people from UK ask.

 

[thehog]

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Ok, I know it's offtopic, but Sky News made a report in Romania with some guys who, apparently were selling assault guns to terrorist or whoever need some. They sent a crew here to meet with the guys and made a long interview with them. Just that...there was a little problem. Today it was announced that those guns were actually hunting guns that every guy with a hunting license can buy them. When contacted by a news station from Romania with the truth told in their face, well, their response was that Stuart Ramseyi, the reporter, is in holiday. Period. Marginal news.
Again, when Top Gear made a show with our Transfagarasan road (climb) thee were quite a few embarrassing moments not related to any form of truth. But maybe that's what people from UK ask.

Don't worry, Murdoch owned paper The Sun now resorts to leaving alcohol at the doorstep of England great who has battled depression and alcoholism all his life..

Paul Gascoigne's sister has accused The Sun of perpetuating his problems with alcohol by planting bottles outside his front door.

Writing on the Facebook group 'Stop Buying The Sun Newspaper', Lindsay Gascoigne claimed that reporters left bottles of alcohol on Gascoigne's doorstep in order to help them build a story.

She also accused the same reporters of 'mocking' her family.

http://www.givemesport.com/842679-paul-gascoignes-sister-accuses-the-sun-of-mocking-her-family

 

[kwikki]

Nothing would surprise me from Sun journalists, or any other journalists who reside in the gutter.

As for the Top Gear thing, McLovin, not a fan myself, but you have to know that they gave themselves enormous artistic licence. They did a 'Burma special' about 2 years ago. At one point they venture into the Shan state in the north, which is controlled by a rebel army, and pronounced "almost no westerners have been here".

I was there nearly 20 years ago, and again 13 years ago.

 

[Lyon]

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or any other journalists who reside in the gutter.

Is there any other kind?

 

[kwikki]

In the popular press? No.

But there are plenty of journalists who write and broadcast worthwhile stuff.

 

[Lyon]

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In the popular press? No.

But there are plenty of journalists who write and broadcast worthwhile stuff.

Hired guns.

 

[McLovin]

The story I told you about yesterday is now going comically stupid. That Ramsay guy still denying even though our secret services (the coolest in the world I'll say) arrested his actors (hungarians by the way) in just two days and they sang like some talented birds. They got 2000 euros from Sky and were dressed and said what to tell, line with line. So he and Sky still deny but the press is full with pictures with him and his '' trafficants" in front of a hotel hahahaha

Got to love Sky and english press. Is the same in cycling ??

https://twitter.com/ramsaysky/status/763412462448308224
https://twitter.com/ramsaysky/status/763384048467181568
Again, sorry for the offtopic but this is gold. Just like cycling, you got caught but still deny
Bravo Sky, bravo!
Just read the coments to understand the story. And people from England teach us, the other europeans, what morality is .

 

[kwikki]

That's pretty standard stuff, McLovin, as far as the lower end of the UK media is concerned.

 

[McLovin]

That's sad. Stupid but sad.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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That's sad. Stupid but sad.

Perhaps, but you are way off topic.

 

[McLovin]

I said it twice and sorry for that.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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I said it twice and sorry for that.

If you say so.

 

[Benotti69]

Declan Lynch

They are obliged to tell us their "stories", describing how they made these massive improvements due to "marginal gains", and advances in sports science in general, and because they just want it more than the other guys. And they are probably astonished that grown-up people are actually believing this stuff, or that they want to believe it, not all of them, but enough of them to sustain the notion that yes, it's all about "marginal gains" and advances in sports science and wanting it more than the other guys.

does this describe anyone we know....... :lol:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/declan-lynch/the-vast-illusion-of-the-fivering-circus-in-rio-34963369.html

 

[bikinggirl]

Today we were watching the SKY doping train at it again...But we all know that they soon will run out of time and get court and I can`t wait.