Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

This thread goes nearly 2000 pages. There's been a lot of passionate Sky defenders from page 1.

Can I ask: who has been converted now? And what was the process of conversion like? And what precisely was the moment of conversion?

As a long-time fan of Froomie and DB, I must say that while I feel a measure of disappointment that one of Sky's doctors should have had a lapse in maintaining records, this whole witch hunt over a delivery bag has gotten completely blown out of proportion. For heaven's sake, I couldn't tell you what was in my own duffel bag on any specific occasion six years ago. Sometimes I believe governing bodies feel required to go on these types of tirades to justify their own existence, if not to the citizenry at large, then to themselves. It's unrealistic to expect organizations of the size and scope of British Cycling and Sky to maintain total perfection in all operations indefinitely. Sooner or later, people are going to make honest mistakes, whether through oversight or carelessness, or a moment's brief inattention. This most trivial lapse should in no way detract from the outstanding example that Sky has consistently provided for the world of cycling during a time when the sport has sorely needed instruction in how to do things the right way, the clean way . . . the Sky Way. In the current circumstances, if you want to know what a real travesty would be, that would be allowing a meaningless record-keeping blip to cloud the cycling world's view of the greatest, most inspiring outfit the sport has seen in generations. That would be like throwing up the white flag after Dunkirk in 1940. The party isn't over, my friends. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... the tough get going! Who's with me? . . . Let's go!

Definitely satire.

Comparing the situation at Sky to when the "Germans" bombed Pearl Harbor is either the dumbest comment I've read in some time or cleverly satirical.

I choose to believe the latter because I can't for the life of me think that there's anyone out there in this world that is dumb enough to mistake that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and chalk up the happenings at Team Sky to an "honest mistake" in the same comment among other brilliant conclusions ("meaningless record keeping blip"??? lol, satire).

Edit: I just read downthread a few posts to find that Josephk was indeed just messing around.

 

[kingjr]

I knew it was satire by the time I read 'Froomie'

 

[JRanton]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

 

[pastronef]

Re:

French cycling fans are the best. They're having an absolute field day.
https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/838032907918848000
https://twitter.com/letouzet/status/838041911910879232
David Walsh will regret the day he portrayed them as 'angry mob'.

from some French "fans" and twitter guys like them I´d expect something wittier than the usual irony after a win.

something like this: a great tweet about Sky ( re: kenacort to family and friends)

https://twitter.com/ffflow/status/837724867025854464

 

[mrhender]

Re: Re:

This thread goes nearly 2000 pages. There's been a lot of passionate Sky defenders from page 1.

Can I ask: who has been converted now? And what was the process of conversion like? And what precisely was the moment of conversion?

As a long-time fan of Froomie and DB, I must say that while I feel a measure of disappointment that one of Sky's doctors should have had a lapse in maintaining records, this whole witch hunt over a delivery bag has gotten completely blown out of proportion. For heaven's sake, I couldn't tell you what was in my own duffel bag on any specific occasion six years ago. Sometimes I believe governing bodies feel required to go on these types of tirades to justify their own existence, if not to the citizenry at large, then to themselves. It's unrealistic to expect organizations of the size and scope of British Cycling and Sky to maintain total perfection in all operations indefinitely. Sooner or later, people are going to make honest mistakes, whether through oversight or carelessness, or a moment's brief inattention. This most trivial lapse should in no way detract from the outstanding example that Sky has consistently provided for the world of cycling during a time when the sport has sorely needed instruction in how to do things the right way, the clean way . . . the Sky Way. In the current circumstances, if you want to know what a real travesty would be, that would be allowing a meaningless record-keeping blip to cloud the cycling world's view of the greatest, most inspiring outfit the sport has seen in generations. That would be like throwing up the white flag after Dunkirk in 1940. The party isn't over, my friends. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... the tough get going! Who's with me? . . . Let's go!

Definitely satire.

Comparing the situation at Sky to when the "Germans" bombed Pearl Harbor is either the dumbest comment I've read in some time or cleverly satirical.

I choose to believe the latter because I can't for the life of me think that there's anyone out there in this world that is dumb enough to mistake that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and chalk up the happenings at Team Sky to an "honest mistake" in the same comment among other brilliant conclusions ("meaningless record keeping blip"??? lol, satire).

Edit: I just read downthread a few posts to find that Josephk was indeed just messing around.

Sure its not just alternative facts?

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

This thread goes nearly 2000 pages. There's been a lot of passionate Sky defenders from page 1.

Can I ask: who has been converted now? And what was the process of conversion like? And what precisely was the moment of conversion?

As a long-time fan of Froomie and DB, I must say that while I feel a measure of disappointment that one of Sky's doctors should have had a lapse in maintaining records, this whole witch hunt over a delivery bag has gotten completely blown out of proportion. For heaven's sake, I couldn't tell you what was in my own duffel bag on any specific occasion six years ago. Sometimes I believe governing bodies feel required to go on these types of tirades to justify their own existence, if not to the citizenry at large, then to themselves. It's unrealistic to expect organizations of the size and scope of British Cycling and Sky to maintain total perfection in all operations indefinitely. Sooner or later, people are going to make honest mistakes, whether through oversight or carelessness, or a moment's brief inattention. This most trivial lapse should in no way detract from the outstanding example that Sky has consistently provided for the world of cycling during a time when the sport has sorely needed instruction in how to do things the right way, the clean way . . . the Sky Way. In the current circumstances, if you want to know what a real travesty would be, that would be allowing a meaningless record-keeping blip to cloud the cycling world's view of the greatest, most inspiring outfit the sport has seen in generations. That would be like throwing up the white flag after Dunkirk in 1940. The party isn't over, my friends. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... the tough get going! Who's with me? . . . Let's go!

Definitely satire.

Comparing the situation at Sky to when the "Germans" bombed Pearl Harbor is either the dumbest comment I've read in some time or cleverly satirical.

I choose to believe the latter because I can't for the life of me think that there's anyone out there in this world that is dumb enough to mistake that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and chalk up the happenings at Team Sky to an "honest mistake" in the same comment among other brilliant conclusions ("meaningless record keeping blip"??? lol, satire).

Edit: I just read downthread a few posts to find that Josephk was indeed just messing around.

Sure its not just alternative facts?

Welcome back Mrhender!

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Re:

This thread goes nearly 2000 pages. There's been a lot of passionate Sky defenders from page 1.

Can I ask: who has been converted now? And what was the process of conversion like? And what precisely was the moment of conversion?

As a long-time fan of Froomie and DB, I must say that while I feel a measure of disappointment that one of Sky's doctors should have had a lapse in maintaining records, this whole witch hunt over a delivery bag has gotten completely blown out of proportion. For heaven's sake, I couldn't tell you what was in my own duffel bag on any specific occasion six years ago. Sometimes I believe governing bodies feel required to go on these types of tirades to justify their own existence, if not to the citizenry at large, then to themselves. It's unrealistic to expect organizations of the size and scope of British Cycling and Sky to maintain total perfection in all operations indefinitely. Sooner or later, people are going to make honest mistakes, whether through oversight or carelessness, or a moment's brief inattention. This most trivial lapse should in no way detract from the outstanding example that Sky has consistently provided for the world of cycling during a time when the sport has sorely needed instruction in how to do things the right way, the clean way . . . the Sky Way. In the current circumstances, if you want to know what a real travesty would be, that would be allowing a meaningless record-keeping blip to cloud the cycling world's view of the greatest, most inspiring outfit the sport has seen in generations. That would be like throwing up the white flag after Dunkirk in 1940. The party isn't over, my friends. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... the tough get going! Who's with me? . . . Let's go!

Definitely satire.

Comparing the situation at Sky to when the "Germans" bombed Pearl Harbor is either the dumbest comment I've read in some time or cleverly satirical.

I choose to believe the latter because I can't for the life of me think that there's anyone out there in this world that is dumb enough to mistake that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and chalk up the happenings at Team Sky to an "honest mistake" in the same comment among other brilliant conclusions ("meaningless record keeping blip"??? lol, satire).

Jeebus! This is the same sort of cluelessness that had the Clinton campaign branding Pepe the Frog as a symbol of white nationalism.

Bluto: Hey! What's all this laying around ***?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron?
D-Day: [to Bluto] War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard of something to say]
Bluto: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[Bluto runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the *** happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: [stands up]
Boon: [stands up] Let's do it.
Bluto: [shouting] "Let's do it"!

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

This thread goes nearly 2000 pages. There's been a lot of passionate Sky defenders from page 1.

Can I ask: who has been converted now? And what was the process of conversion like? And what precisely was the moment of conversion?

As a long-time fan of Froomie and DB, I must say that while I feel a measure of disappointment that one of Sky's doctors should have had a lapse in maintaining records, this whole witch hunt over a delivery bag has gotten completely blown out of proportion. For heaven's sake, I couldn't tell you what was in my own duffel bag on any specific occasion six years ago. Sometimes I believe governing bodies feel required to go on these types of tirades to justify their own existence, if not to the citizenry at large, then to themselves. It's unrealistic to expect organizations of the size and scope of British Cycling and Sky to maintain total perfection in all operations indefinitely. Sooner or later, people are going to make honest mistakes, whether through oversight or carelessness, or a moment's brief inattention. This most trivial lapse should in no way detract from the outstanding example that Sky has consistently provided for the world of cycling during a time when the sport has sorely needed instruction in how to do things the right way, the clean way . . . the Sky Way. In the current circumstances, if you want to know what a real travesty would be, that would be allowing a meaningless record-keeping blip to cloud the cycling world's view of the greatest, most inspiring outfit the sport has seen in generations. That would be like throwing up the white flag after Dunkirk in 1940. The party isn't over, my friends. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... the tough get going! Who's with me? . . . Let's go!

Definitely satire.

Comparing the situation at Sky to when the "Germans" bombed Pearl Harbor is either the dumbest comment I've read in some time or cleverly satirical.

I choose to believe the latter because I can't for the life of me think that there's anyone out there in this world that is dumb enough to mistake that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and chalk up the happenings at Team Sky to an "honest mistake" in the same comment among other brilliant conclusions ("meaningless record keeping blip"??? lol, satire).

Jeebus! This is the same sort of cluelessness that had the Clinton campaign branding Pepe the Frog as a symbol of white nationalism.

Bluto: Hey! What's all this laying around ****?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron?
D-Day: [to Bluto] War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard of something to say]
Bluto: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[Bluto runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the **** happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my *** from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: [stands up]
Boon: [stands up] Let's do it.
Bluto: [shouting] "Let's do it"!

....brilliant....by the time I finished reading that I had tears running down my cheeks from laughing so hard....oddly enough it reads even funnier than the scene in the movie...." Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right", indeed.......

Cheers

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

I know. The whole thing is so legit that, when asked about, everyone shrugged and said "Yeah. Cope brought Wiggins his dose of Kenacort. Stuff works a treat".

John Swanson

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

I know. The whole thing is so legit that, when asked about, everyone shrugged and said "Yeah. Cope brought Wiggins his dose of Kenacort. Stuff works a treat".

John Swanson

"Yeah. Cope brought Wiggins his dose of Kenacort for his FAKE ASTHMA and FAKE ALLERGIES. Stuff works a treat".

Fixed for ya

 

[The Hegelian]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

Non-satirical statement of non-conversion!

 

[The Hegelian]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

To be devils advocate ~ I agree with you to the extent that what we're seeing is procedural liberalism poured into a little crack.

But the little crack keeps widening into a crevice, which threatens to widen into an abyss. Doping scandals have very often played that way, and that's why the press is all over it - one thing you need to consider is the threat of litigation preventing them (especially in the past) from making any kind of claims that can't be directly substantiated. That's why they're going full scale over this: finally they have their opportunity. And I bet they've heard a million whispers that they have had to keep silent about.

Any cycling journo who lived through Festina>Armstrong etc knows that a team that is abusing corticosterioids to smash grand tours, is very unlikely to draw the line there. So everyone is looking into that crevice, awaiting the inevitable further revelations.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

To be devils advocate ~ I agree with you to the extent that what we're seeing is procedural liberalism poured into a little crack.

But the little crack keeps widening into a crevice, which threatens to widen into an abyss. Doping scandals have very often played that way, and that's why the press is all over it - one thing you need to consider is the threat of litigation preventing them (especially in the past) from making any kind of claims that can't be directly substantiated. That's why they're going full scale over this: finally they have their opportunity. And I bet they've heard a million whispers that they have had to keep silent about.

Any cycling journo who lived through Festina>Armstrong etc knows that a team that is abusing corticosterioids to smash grand tours, is very unlikely to draw the line there. So everyone is looking into that crevice, awaiting the inevitable further revelations.

I think they are speaking(writing) in code. It matters naught if fluimucil or kenalog. They know they have bought and sold Brailsford's enterprise, being willing enablers, and sold it for him and its legitimacy.

The problem with this marketing strategy, Brailsford's TeamSky tactic, is the media and press, if there is still something we call press, they ultimately hold your fate in their hands. They have been integral in building you up and selling the enterprise. see: Walsh the hypocrite.

Now, with the defamation laws in the UK, they cannot come out and say it is all a lie and they are frauds.

But they can hammer them over some cortisone.

This is a little more complex, before Murdoch seeks complete ownership of Sky and has to pass securities law and government approval for his bid. I have pointed out this should be a discrete issue, it would be mutually exclusive, yet it is not.

So, the media don't wish to play anymore, and now Sky Broadcasting and Murdoch are not necessarily the ideal sponsor. They have to not ask any questions about EPL clubs and Leicester

 

[blackcat]

I mean, see: Leicester and Die Manneshaft.

Previously, the game of soccer, or association football, that the normal body was about 5'11" and 165lbs with a 32 inch waist.

Now, see: Gareth Hale, Leicester, and Die Manneshaft. The are now the same weight, but with different proportions like Froome, 30 inch waists, and Gareth Hale shoulders. They have rendered all excess red and white tissue, muscle and fat, from their physique, but put a little weight in muscle on their power muscles and driving muscles. They run faster and have more endurance.

It is not cortisone or fluimucil. Cortisone, corticos, corticosteroids, anti-inflammatories, corticoids, they existed before. That is the control sample. They existed before. So why did the bodies change?

It is new drugs like lipotropin that Froome is on. Perhaps AICAR and GW.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

the thing is, Sky and Brailsford and Wiggins and Froome and Porte and Walsh made a rod for their own back.

Once they step into a pattern of spin and lies, then it comes 180degrees, and turned back on them, they have no leg to stand on.

No one comes after Indurain, because he was a quiet, decent, normal person. The devil's advocate, Bild and the German media were a dog with a bone after Ullrich, and he was just a simple person who did not seek to spout bull$hit and sell himself out to the marketing media.

But Team Sky, they make the rod for their own back. They said they were better then everyone, they did things different, they did not blood dope, or use Russian epo, or use GW or AICAR. or motors<exlamation mark> motors for chrissakes.

So... they dont have a leg to stand on when the media has turned, they used it for their own nefarious and expedience...

If we put it in perspective, it is a few drugs, it is sports doping, it is not serious. But Brailsford built the house of cards, it was his plan for this communications BS and pack of lies. He has no leg to stand on.

 

[rick james]

Re: Sky

I can't believe how overblown this has been in the UK press. The alleged offence is basically that Freeman and Wiggins didn't wait a few hours until one minute past midnight to carry out the triamcinolone treatment. It isn't a banned drug out of competition and the race was over when Wiggins was treated with it.

Whoever made this allegation obviously had a massive axe to grind. Probably some gimp upset about the zero tolerance policy or Sky's outspoken views on doping.

I know. The whole thing is so legit that, when asked about, everyone shrugged and said "Yeah. Cope brought Wiggins his dose of Kenacort. Stuff works a treat".

John Swanson

"Yeah. Cope brought Wiggins his dose of Kenacort for his FAKE ASTHMA and FAKE ALLERGIES. Stuff works a treat".

Fixed for ya

I've never seen any proof that his asthma or allergies are fake, do you have proof of him lying about these 2 things or anything that proves they are fake?

 

[Dan2016]

(Realised my post from CMS thread is maybe better here. Mods, delete/move as you see fit, please, gracias)

To King Boonen and any other medics here, I wonder if you could give any insight as to how the medical system works in the context of Freeman? I don't understand how Sky/BC could have all of this Kenalog in stock at their HQ.

In the UK I have never once been given any medication directly by a doctor, they give us a paper prescription and we have to go to a pharmacist, hand the prescription over and buy the medication. I always thought if the doctor needs to both prescribe and administer a drug then they need to order the specific drug for the specific patient, with prescription justification for the order.

So we have a doctor here, Freeman, working privately for Sky. He has ordered a quantity of prescription drugs, corticosteroids. It would appear they are of the intravenous type. The different types can't be confused, as Boonen explained in a previous reply ie., intravenous, topical, nasal etc are all separate.

So we know Wiggins had a TUE for 40mg Kenalog intravenous or intramuscular (?). This prescription was apparently given by a separate expert and Freeman administered it. So let's say, hypothetically, UKAD found 50 vials of 40mg Kenacort in Sky/BC head quarters. I assume there also has to be a large number of needles in store for these drugs.

My questions are:
- How does Freeman actually go about ordering these drugs? (Let's assume he ordered legit, not via ebay or whatever).
- Can he just order them as he pleases from the supplier and the supplier doesn't ask any questions?
- Does he not need to justify the order with the supplier, with prescriptions for his supposed patients?

I understand things are probably different for hospitals where large stocks of drugs are needed on site. But for a private practice doctor, are they allowed to just stock up? That would seem crazy to me.
If he needed to justify the order then surely there will be records at the suppliers of what the justification was. Could this not be an avenue for investigation? If, for example, the justification for all the orders was simply 'asthma' that would clearly be preposterous and grounds for action. Isn't falsifying the reasons for drug orders fraud and therefore a criminal charge?

Maybe I'm way off with the above, I'm clueless how it really works. Just curious.

 

[Dan2016]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4282644/amp/Crisis-Team-Sky-deepens-dealing-blow-cycling.html

Banned testosterone patches delivered to Sky HQ. In error. Apparently. Hmmm.

 

[capuldemetal]

every thing that they did was by mistake.pure comedy.

 

[Dan2016]

Yup, it's hilarious.

According to Sunday Times, source to David Walsh The Golden Truthseeker, 60 - 70 vials of Kenalog were delivered to Sky HQ in 2011.

So UKAD have seen large quantities of the same drug now, 2016/17.
Remember, no records kept. UKAD have actually seen this stock of drugs in person. So it seems fair to assume Sky have had a large yearly order of Kenalog for years now.

C*nts.

 

[B_Ugli]

Re:

Yup, it's hilarious.

According to Sunday Times, source to David Walsh The Golden Truthseeker, 60 - 70 vials of Kenalog were delivered to Sky HQ in 2011.

So UKAD have seen large quantities of the same drug now, 2016/17.
Remember, no records kept. UKAD have actually seen this stock of drugs in person. So it seems fair to assume Sky have had a large yearly order of Kenalog for years now.

C*nts.

And if that is the case allowing Campbell and his spin team to 'bookend' this all as the class of 2012 and move on from it can't be allowed.

Step forward super skinny domestiques since 2011 to explain their version-unless the good Dr explains it for them first :lol:

 

[Dan2016]

Yeah B_Ugli I was thinking again about your 'bookending' via spin-doctor idea and as you say it can't work can it, because of UKAD finding this physical stock of Kenalog now. It's ongoing, not just something done in the past.

I hope Freeman just says ''f*ck it'' and burns them all down.

C*nts.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Sky

"Through calorie deficit," Brailsford said bluntly, before then expanding slightly on his answer. "Why not speak to Nigel our nutritionist? It's a good question to ask. That is a lot of weight to lose and I totally agree with you. What do we do to get to that kind of weight loss? They're the types of questions that would be legitimate to answer. I don't think there's any great secret in that."

yup...think the legitimate answer becomes clearer and clearer...........

Go Kennaugh

Post edited as I had the wrong sky domestique turned skinny super climber and GT contender (it should have been G - there's a song in that somewhere )

 

[PeterB]

Re:

Yup, it's hilarious.

According to Sunday Times, source to David Walsh The Golden Truthseeker, 60 - 70 vials of Kenalog were delivered to Sky HQ in 2011.

So UKAD have seen large quantities of the same drug now, 2016/17.
Remember, no records kept. UKAD have actually seen this stock of drugs in person. So it seems fair to assume Sky have had a large yearly order of Kenalog for years now.

C*nts.

Did UKAD say that they found physical inventory of triamcinolone now? All I read was that they found it was ordered at some date in the past, which could refer to 2011. Having it in stock even now would be really damning so I wonder if I have overlooked this info.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ukad-reveals-freeman-received-delivery-of-testosterone-in-2011/
"The Sunday Times article also claims that in 2013 former Sky doctor Alan Farrell withheld the team’s password for the online ADAMS system from Freeman in order to prevent him from applying for a fourth TUE for Wiggins ahead of that year’s Tour of Britain."
WTF?! :surprised: Why? What does Sir DB say about that?
Edit - I suppose it was the lack of "training" after Wiggo's early return from the Giro.