Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Electress]

And so it rolls on.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/commentary-team-skys-clarification-documents-leave-much-still-unclear/

The Swiss (of all people !) recalling that Wiggo wasn't the only one with TUEs

http://www.24heures.ch/sports/froome-s-estil-dope-tour-romandie/story/19680099

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Good work from @vayerism on Twitter. Article from the 2011 Dauphine shows Uran getting a TUE cortisone. Which was most likely designated for Wiggins performance enhancement. Later Wiggins and Sutton go to an unmarked Jaguar to make a call. Which was mostly likely the extra shipment of Kenalog. Sutton knew exactly what was in the package. They all did.

“Rigo has got a chest problem,” he says. “With most asthma patients, you will never find out specifically what causes it. We’ve tested for pollen and in Rigo’s case it doesn’t appear to be that.

“The ADAMS [World Anti-Doping Agency’s Administration and Management System] website can be tricky. Your worst fear is that you’re stuck in the mountains with no internet connection but we would not give anything that’s on the list to a rider until we had everything confirmed through the proper channels.”

Could he not use the ADAMS hotline and make a phone call? “That works well Monday to Friday but not so well at the weekends,” he says wryly, acknowledging that the onus is always on the athlete and the team doctor to ensure everything is done properly.

It took a few tries but eventually, he got through to Dr Mario Zorzoli of the UCI and gained the necessary permission.

But isn’t there an argument that if Uran is unwell and his breathing is seriously affected, he should pull out of the race? “He may well do that. But he’s an ambitious young man who wants to support Bradley and he wants to secure his Tour team.

“We are not talking about performance-enhancement here. The TUE is designed to enable an athlete to take medication that a normal human being would be prescribed by a doctor. It cannot be right that you and I could go to a doctor and be prescribed something that an athlete with the same condition could not use.”

Dr Freeman used to work for Bolton Wanderers Football Club before joining Sky. He’s also worked on golf’s European Tour. Despite the challenges of being away from home for so much of the year, he enjoys the role.

I ask what he makes of the UCI’s new no-needles policy. “I think it’s fantastic,” he says. “It takes away a large window of opportunity for a lot of products. It means that there are no short cuts to proper rest and recovery. And it also removes that ladder of progression. If riders get used to vitamin injections as a matter of routine, it makes it easier to not question what’s in the syringe.”

Jeppesen drives Wiggins and Sutton back in his unmarked Jaguar, the only one that isn’t plastered in Sky logos. Wiggins takes a phone call and talks quietly. I just about hear him say:

“Yeah, it was good… Bloody hard, though. Bloody hard.”

Wiggins arrives back at 7.40pm. Because of the late finish, the nightly text message from Nicolas Portal makes grim reading for any of the staff with a rumbling stomach. Dinner isn’t until 9.45. Portal sends a text every night listing the evening’s dinner time, what time the riders have to wake up and have breakfast the following morning, when their suitcases must be in reception and when they leave for the start. It also details the dress code, which alternates between white shirts and black.


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/all-aboard-the-magic-bus-3974#CLDrLc5SaFzfz8iH.99

 

[Electress]

Re: Sky

Good work from @vayerism on Twitter. Article from the 2011 Dauphine shows Uran getting a TUE cortisone. Which was most likely designated for Wiggins performance enhancement. Later Wiggins and Sutton go to an unmarked Jaguar to make a call. Which was mostly likely the extra shipment of Kenalog. Sutton knew exactly what was in the package. They all did.

“Rigo has got a chest problem,” he says. “With most asthma patients, you will never find out specifically what causes it. We’ve tested for pollen and in Rigo’s case it doesn’t appear to be that.

“The ADAMS [World Anti-Doping Agency’s Administration and Management System] website can be tricky. Your worst fear is that you’re stuck in the mountains with no internet connection but we would not give anything that’s on the list to a rider until we had everything confirmed through the proper channels.”

Could he not use the ADAMS hotline and make a phone call? “That works well Monday to Friday but not so well at the weekends,” he says wryly, acknowledging that the onus is always on the athlete and the team doctor to ensure everything is done properly.

It took a few tries but eventually, he got through to Dr Mario Zorzoli of the UCI and gained the necessary permission.

But isn’t there an argument that if Uran is unwell and his breathing is seriously affected, he should pull out of the race? “He may well do that. But he’s an ambitious young man who wants to support Bradley and he wants to secure his Tour team.

“We are not talking about performance-enhancement here. The TUE is designed to enable an athlete to take medication that a normal human being would be prescribed by a doctor. It cannot be right that you and I could go to a doctor and be prescribed something that an athlete with the same condition could not use.”

Dr Freeman used to work for Bolton Wanderers Football Club before joining Sky. He’s also worked on golf’s European Tour. Despite the challenges of being away from home for so much of the year, he enjoys the role.

I ask what he makes of the UCI’s new no-needles policy. “I think it’s fantastic,” he says. “It takes away a large window of opportunity for a lot of products. It means that there are no short cuts to proper rest and recovery. And it also removes that ladder of progression. If riders get used to vitamin injections as a matter of routine, it makes it easier to not question what’s in the syringe.”

Jeppesen drives Wiggins and Sutton back in his unmarked Jaguar, the only one that isn’t plastered in Sky logos. Wiggins takes a phone call and talks quietly. I just about hear him say:

“Yeah, it was good… Bloody hard, though. Bloody hard.”

Wiggins arrives back at 7.40pm. Because of the late finish, the nightly text message from Nicolas Portal makes grim reading for any of the staff with a rumbling stomach. Dinner isn’t until 9.45. Portal sends a text every night listing the evening’s dinner time, what time the riders have to wake up and have breakfast the following morning, when their suitcases must be in reception and when they leave for the start. It also details the dress code, which alternates between white shirts and black.


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/all-aboard-the-magic-bus-3974#CLDrLc5SaFzfz8iH.99

Timing doesn't fit their timing of when Cope was picking up the package and the train tickets etc. But then, there is something weird about the whole 'expenses claim from Eastbourne' which Cope refutes that just doesn't add.

Wonder where Brailsford was coming from before the Friday and why he couldn't bring the "Fluimucil"

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Also re laptop. If they could delete it remotely they could also have saved the files remotely, no?

Sky still playing the wrong game with fans and media. More than one hole in the ***.

Still the main protagonists, Freeman and Wiggins not answering the simple question of what was in the Jiffy Bag and their reluctance to tell us with proof is just a disaster for a team that promised to be clean and transparent.

It's not our business what is in the jiffy Bag - It's the business of UKAD if they can uncover evidence.

Considering the public's money was abused, i would argue it is the public's business.

 

[Dan2016]

Seeing as all the riders have terrible asthma, why do none of them have ADHD?

Gotta get ahead of the curve. In step amphetamine gummybears:
https://www.thefix.com/amphetamine-chewies-just-kids

ADHD TUE's in 2017 please.

If it's gonna to be a farce I want some comedy value.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Also re laptop. If they could delete it remotely they could also have saved the files remotely, no?

Sky still playing the wrong game with fans and media. More than one hole in the ***.

Still the main protagonists, Freeman and Wiggins not answering the simple question of what was in the Jiffy Bag and their reluctance to tell us with proof is just a disaster for a team that promised to be clean and transparent.

It's not our business what is in the jiffy Bag - It's the business of UKAD if they can uncover evidence.

these are not the droids u r looking 4 #ObiWanKenobi

Sorry BC, I missed this before.

Brilliant :lol:

 

[Electress]

If I may be serious for a moment - where do we go from here? Are more committee meetings planned? when is UKAD report out? is this going to wither on the vine and go nowhere? I literally have no idea what the next stage is going to be. I only hope that the whistleblower has blown something more substantial.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re:

I only hope that the whistleblower has blown something more substantial.

At least part of the press have stopped their 7 year long blowing, which is just as good

 

[Electress]

This - although amusing - has the whiff of barrel-scraping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

 

[thehog]

Re:

This - although amusing - has the whiff of barrel-scraping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

I tend to agree however it shows right from the get-go Sky were going to use any pharmaceuticals they could get their hands on.

Also Di Luca detailed viagra as part of his program to combat the cold.

 

[Vinosghost]

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

 

[blackcat]

Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

G. He has thrown his lot in with SDB innit.

lots of acronyms. we should ask LRP for his opinion

 

[Vinosghost]

Re: Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

G. He has thrown his lot in with SDB innit.

lots of acronyms. we should ask LRP for his opinion

Ha

 

[Irondan]

Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

Welcome to the CN Forum clinic...

 

[thehog]

Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

Testosterone is for recovery it's hardly a game changer

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

Testosterone is for recovery it's hardly a game changer

it is a naturally producing hormone.

you previously could produce 8 full units of testo as a man, to one unit of epitesto. even if you were lance and had lanced the unilateral orchiectomy. that was a pleaonasm, or tautology.

the ratio is less for women, unless you are casta semenya.

they arbitrarily reduced it to four to one.

seems only fair you can top up with a patch, it is not doping, it is merely recovery therapy.

 

[ferryman]

Re:

This - although amusing - has the whiff of barrel-scraping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

Aye, but it does let the blood flow to parts that, erm, maybe, need a wee boost Wouldn't know personally

 

[Tim B]

Is it too simple to suggest that if a rider needs a TUE, then they shouldn't be racing for "health" reasons?

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

This - although amusing - has the whiff of barrel-scraping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

I tend to agree however it shows right from the get-go Sky were going to use any pharmaceuticals they could get their hands on.

Also Di Luca detailed viagra as part of his program to combat the cold.

Isn't that called pushing things right to the wire? Hardly earth shattering.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

This - although amusing - has the whiff of barrel-scraping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

I tend to agree however it shows right from the get-go Sky were going to use any pharmaceuticals they could get their hands on.

Also Di Luca detailed viagra as part of his program to combat the cold.

Isn't that called pushing things right to the wire? Hardly earth shattering.

No, I believe it's called drug abuse.

 

[B_Ugli]

Re: Sky

There is a line which Brailsfraud always bangs on about.

This is just another example of how they never cross the line allegedly but are willing to try everything and anything up to it.

If there is black and white Team Sky are definitively Grey.

Grey isn't clean, nor is Team Sky's love affair with experimental medicine.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Sky

There is a line which Brailsfraud always bangs on about.

This is just another example of how they never cross the line allegedly but are willing to try everything and anything up to it.

If there is black and white Team Sky are definitively Grey.

Grey isn't clean, nor is Team Sky's love affair with experimental medicine.

this is actually a concession that they contravene the regulations

i) profess not to know where line is
ii) muddy the waters and seek to plead ambiguity
iii) push amorphous lines that don't exist to this feckless liminal test

the mere utterance of the term line, is admission.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

Other place?

I assume you either mean one of the sky fan forums. Either the radar one or velorooms.

In either case, I think its telling that there the people bang on none stop about the clinic to the point of obsession, whereas here, absolutely no one cares or pays attention to them.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The welsh doping apologist in the other place is banging on about "the clinic". So i thought id come and say hello

Other place?

I assume you either mean one of the sky fan forums. Either the radar one or velorooms.

In either case, I think its telling that there the people bang on none stop about the clinic to the point of obsession, whereas here, absolutely no one cares or pays attention to them.

the cognitive dissonance is strong in those ones

 

[sniper]

Masterclass in rewriting history from Matthew Syed
https://twitter.com/mocycling/status/839802311216099329