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Parker said:
MartinGT said:
Oh and this being a 2km climb at most and not a 20-30km alpine climb. So aye managing an effort on a long climb I understand but this?
So what are suggesting happened? Do you think he doped half way up the climb?

Have you ever heard of a race called Fleche Wallonne? It would really confuse you.

Yes, Dan Martin has never won it because he's always positioned like crap.

Poels probably used an engine, that guy has a very shady reputation ever since he started riding for Vacansoleil.
 
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Blanco said:
Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

No Kiryienka, Rowe, Moscon, Castroviejo, Knees, Stannard types.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Parker said:
MartinGT said:
Oh and this being a 2km climb at most and not a 20-30km alpine climb. So aye managing an effort on a long climb I understand but this?
So what are suggesting happened? Do you think he doped half way up the climb?

Have you ever heard of a race called Fleche Wallonne? It would really confuse you.

Yes, Dan Martin has never won it because he's always positioned like crap.

Poels probably used an engine, that guy has a very shady reputation ever since he started riding for Vacansoleil.


he probably didn't but hey ho!!!!!
 
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MartinGT said:
rick james said:
MartinGT said:
I see Poels has learnt the 'Dawg' head Bob marginal gain. 1.5km to go on Whinlatter today he was well back and looking on deaths door. Takes the stage.
managing your efforts...who knew such secrets

From getting dropped with the pace QS put in then even struggling to hold Davies and Pidcocks wheel. Aye that's managing
well aye, he managed his effort and won the stage...FFS
 
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MatParker117 said:
Blanco said:
Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

No Kiryienka, Rowe, Moscon, Castroviejo, Knees, Stannard types.
I don't think it's that they don't have those types, they just don't have enough to string it out day after day. Oliveira, Amador and Erviti aren't a bad trio to have in terms of that kind of skillset. Certainly shouldn't be any worse than at least Rowe, Knees or Stannard, and I'd say Amador is a good match for Kiryienka at this point in the Belarusian's career, though, like Szmyd before him, his reputation is such that it discourages attacks even if you could get away from the speed he's tapping out. It's not like Luke Rowe or Christian Knees are some kind of fearsome domestiquing superpower even if Rowe has led the péloton up some huge climbs in the Tour - it's no different to when Edvald Boasson Hagen was doing it, or Grégory Rast led the bunch over the Tourmalet in 2009. The gap is the Moscons and Kwiatkowskis, guys who are huge powers on the flat and still breathing through their noses while blocking the big attacks in the mountains too, who can control it between the mountains in the valleys meaning the team can afford to drill the mountains early and not worry about losing rouleurs. That's the area Movistar and Mitchelton-Scott lack compared to Sky. Movistar have plenty of mountain help but they lost a lot in that middle ground - they need riders to play the role Rubén Plaza, Jesús Herrada or the Izagirre brothers did.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
MatParker117 said:
Blanco said:
Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

No Kiryienka, Rowe, Moscon, Castroviejo, Knees, Stannard types.
I don't think it's that they don't have those types, they just don't have enough to string it out day after day. Oliveira, Amador and Erviti aren't a bad trio to have in terms of that kind of skillset. Certainly shouldn't be any worse than at least Rowe, Knees or Stannard, and I'd say Amador is a good match for Kiryienka at this point in the Belarusian's career, though, like Szmyd before him, his reputation is such that it discourages attacks even if you could get away from the speed he's tapping out. It's not like Luke Rowe or Christian Knees are some kind of fearsome domestiquing superpower even if Rowe has led the péloton up some huge climbs in the Tour - it's no different to when Edvald Boasson Hagen was doing it, or Grégory Rast led the bunch over the Tourmalet in 2009. The gap is the Moscons and Kwiatkowskis, guys who are huge powers on the flat and still breathing through their noses while blocking the big attacks in the mountains too, who can control it between the mountains in the valleys meaning the team can afford to drill the mountains early and not worry about losing rouleurs. That's the area Movistar and Mitchelton-Scott lack compared to Sky. Movistar have plenty of mountain help but they lost a lot in that middle ground - they need riders to play the role Rubén Plaza, Jesús Herrada or the Izagirre brothers did.

Don't disagree with any of that. The simple, brutal truth is, money talks. My football team is Hearts, we may, now and again, beat Rangers or Celtic but never over a whole season. (Altho we are sitting pretty at the top just now:))
 
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MatParker117 said:
Blanco said:
Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

No Kiryienka, Rowe, Moscon, Castroviejo, Knees, Stannard types.

Well that same Kiryienka and Castroviejo rode for Movistar, but weren't as close as good like they are at Sky. Knees, Stannard and Rowe are no better than Erviti, Oliveira and Amador, maybe even worse...
 
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Sky winning 3 GTs in the same year, just might be a tad overkill for the sport. Maybe even Brailsford saw that.
 
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Puckfiend said:
"The Cycle Collective


@cyclecollective
3h3 hours ago
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Team Sky’s lost & found is troubling

Lost:
Tour de France trophy
Freeman’s laptop & testimony
Rider weight
Records of jiffy bag
Henao’s biopassport study

Found:
Testosterone patches
50+ vials of corticosteroid
A cheeky DCMS report
TUE's
Enough Salbutamol to cure Darth Vader"


https://twitter.com/cyclecollective/status/1050330519521488896


@cleans_letsrun

Replying to @cyclecollective

We could similarly create a list of things Team Sky *didn't* find:

1) Chris Froome's bilharzia
2) Quickest route to La Toussuire
3) Anything concerning on Geert Leinders' CV
4) MPCC registration form

:lol:
 
Doping or not, I'm sure that Sky/Comcast's internal metrics found that they had squeezed every last bit of value from the sponsorship. But, I don't discount at all that Froome's AAF made the decision to pull the plug very easy internally. How do you explain the UCI/WADA to to a board of directors?
 
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Bolder said:
Doping or not, I'm sure that Sky/Comcast's internal metrics found that they had squeezed every last bit of value from the sponsorship. But, I don't discount at all that Froome's AAF made the decision to pull the plug very easy internally. How do you explain the UCI/WADA to to a board of directors?

How do you explain an insular, out-of-touch, corrupt, old boys club network facilita...

Yeah, I think you get the picture.