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Yea, but remember that a lot of the British media is run by the guy who sponsors Team Sky, and a lot of the rest is looking to piggyback British success to rally people for the Olympics. Bradley Wiggins is nothing more than the Greek Euro 2004 team.
 
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As I wrote elsewhere, it's the reaction to Wiggins reaction that annoys me a lot.

I think I should swear and leave when confronted with something I don't like. Maybe people will think that I am being strong and clear.
 
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I just want to say thank gawd theres this forum to discuss these issues.
Over here in the UK I and any one else who even dares to comment that just possibly all at Sky/ BC might not be "pure" on two other forums I post in are geting savaged by jingoistic patriotism. Its truely sickening.
The absalute absurdity that its wrong to even question the results of the best perforning team while at the same time its ok to point out that "foreign " teams or riders might be juiced is beyond the pale.
The comparisons with US Postal are very apt. The same old bull****..new training methods, marginal gains , diet etc are being espoused. As it was with US Postal its frankly insulting to our inteligence.
The ignorance of the science is breathtaking.
As the old saying go,s, "there are none so blind as those that will not see"
 
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BroDeal said:
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Without dirt and lens distortion.

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you say dirt i say diarhrea
i say diarrhea u say dirt
the whole thing has gone to $hit
to scatology we go
 
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It's not that Froome smoked the field.

It's not that Wiggins smoked the field.

It's that Froome smoked the field by just enough to put a stamp on it and yet he finished just enough behind Wiggins to be deferential to his boss.

It was professional wrestling on wheels.

I've been around F1 long enough to know team orders when I see them.
 
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Geordiedave said:
Not a chance Wiggo/Froome/Brailsford are doping. Dont you all have better things to do than waste time claiming they are?

They are nice guys

they look you in the eye
 
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About 18 months or so ago I posted on the subject of gene therapy.
I knew and still know very little about this but It was sugested to me by somone previously close to the Sky / BC set up and Liverpool University,Liverpool, about an hours drive from BC,s HQ in Manchester was sugested to me as place were research in gene therapy was at the cutting edge on the world stage. I checked the University web site and it turned out that this was true especialy in the fight against cancers: http://www.liv.ac.uk/search/?q=gene...9&proxystylesheet=default09&output=xml_no_dtd
My post was met mainly with cries of "bull****" and I tottaly accept that it does sound pretty far fetched and more likely without foundation.

However if were going to ponder were the next leval of PEDS is going to come from/ may be coming from then it realy cant be ignored.
From this aricle in from 2004 , EIGHT years ago:
Gene injections in rats can double muscle strength and speed, researchers have found, raising concerns that the virtually undetectable technology could be used illegally to build super athletes.
A University of Pennsylvania researcher seeking ways to treat illness said that studies in rats show that muscle mass, strength and endurance can be increased by injections of a gene-manipulated virus that goes to muscle tissue and causes a rapid growth of cells.
“Performance-enhancing drugs have been a concern in sports and gene therapy has the potential to kick it up a notch,” said Murray, who has studied the issue of doping in athletics. “It makes the challenges greater (of controlling performance-enhancing measures).”

Murray said he “has no doubt athletes will be in touch with Sweeney” when they learn of his research.
Sweeney said that already half the e-mails he receives are from athletes or sports trainers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4282866/ns/health-genetics/t/gene-therapy-creates-super-muscles/
Dont shoot the messenger on this one. Its "proof" of nothing, just as we have no proof of any wrong doing at Sky/ BC but I felt it worth bringing up again.
If anyone has anything to add/ knowledge of further advancements please add your thougts.
Im perfectly OK with it being sugested its higly unlikely, Ive no vested interest in trying to prove its likely. Just take it at face value that It was sugested to me and if not already part of the PED arsenal most certainly will be, at some stage, the future of doping in sport.
 
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Parrot23 said:
Looks like he turned pro in '07 with a South African team of all things. He's really from the hicks, as it were. He's not been in a proper top tier team until Sky. Two years with Barloworld is hardly great for his development.

Juan Mauricio Soler Hernandez?
 
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Galic Ho said:
Good point. Forgot about the cross borders stuff. My bad. Few of the riders live in France and the ones who do look remarkably cleaner than the rest. I stand corrected.

I was also reading Ashenden's nyvelocity article about Contador. He seems to hold a similar viewpoint. He didn't talk you around did he? I liked his viewpoint that he didn't believe all athletes and cyclists would inherently go out of their way to out dope their rivals but instead they did it because they are by products of a system that has disillusioned them in a separate way that it has fans. That the system means they can't readily compete clean. I get that...how pliable that really is comes down to a number of unmeasurable aspects. But he made some nice points.

Oh and he also cleared up all the Contador stuff. Got no doubt now as to what happened. Sad really. Technicalities ruling the day. I also liked the apparent ideology behind the science he mentioned. Being that it is almost impossible to replicate your natural haemoglobin and reticulocyte levels with a blood doping, epo microdosing and blood plasma program. It made it clear that all people doing it have tells. All of them. Sounds like the only people clear are the ones who were zeros on the UCI suspicion list. Add the two together and this sport really is sad. It isn't any cleaner than we've been told.
Galic Ho, I see you where I was as a whipper snapper, until the eyes grew jaunidiced and I needed a spoon to pull em, like in a jail mess hall as in Chopper.

1. States have authorised doping and performance from immemorial. Propaganda.
2. States dope their armed forces.
3. Pepsi, or Coke, or IBM fund the champions. And I intentionally reference IBM (c lenovo)

Cos, I can forsee an arms race. I think as China gets the handle of the gold medal league tables, the US'o'A, aint gonna sit back and take that shiiiiiiiiiiit. I know they cant throw money behind healthcare, but they will find some way, to rectify this weakness.

GE? they own NBC, who pay billions for tv rights. Or the cables, Murdoch. They need the gold. They need that mirror to the exceptionalism.

It aint individuals breaking the law. Look at the corporations that are involved in the business of sport, and consuming a can of coke in your city's key stadium. This is why Andy Murray and Usain Bolt and Nadal and Armstrong complain about testing. Because they know they are supposed to dope, they know they are supposed to get a wide berth, they are supposed to get tests convered up, etc.

IT
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NOT
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conspiracy.

It is realism. This is how it is. I disagree with the ethics btw. I prefer sport to be wholesome, and indealist, and zero contravention of regulation. But that is profound naivety

I think well over half the Australian Olympic team, will be on something that, technically speaking, the regulations do not permit them to take. A more, intimate consideration, I think it would be closer to 100% than 50%. And if you take the difference, 75%, I still think that is underestimating it. It is not about the individual personalities.

We have type 1, alpha personalities. Remember Stephanie Rice "take that f@ggots" and her picture of herself in the swimsuit on twitter. U know Inge de Bruijn used to swan around the pool deck, and wore a whit eswimsuit (do a google image search), the white swimmer is training, we are talking about. But the swimdeck preening, and the white one-piece, she was acting like the world was looking at her and she was gods gift.
 
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D Avoid said:
Rob Hayles knows Brailsford just as well as sWiggins does , so he should have a fair idea what goes on, having been rested a few years back with a very high hemerrhoid reading!!

He's also Cav's personal assistant.
 
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I said that before but why they arent using that training so EBH doesnt bonk totally after 240 km :eek:
 

ianfra

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No offence intended?? well, well!

sartoris said:
WELL?

Does anyone apart from me think there's been something fishy about this team for a while now? Today's performance in Dauphiné reminded me of the bygone days of Lance's teammates at the Tour, when all of them (except he, of course) were doped to the gills ....

No offence intended.

Actually your post was horribly offensive. There was an era of Armstrong et al where dope was indeed the oil in the engine Of tht there is no doubt.
However, we have moved into a new era and your post was a nasty cynical and unwarranted slur on an honourable person in the shape of Wiggins. Remember the pain he went through when the Cofidis team was dragged away by the police because one idiot doped? Do you really think that Sky and the British Cycling Team could get away with cheating when they are under so much scrutiny? Don't you think that given a scientific approach to training with new thinking and new ideas may just be the game changer here? Do you really think that continually insulting Brailsford and his team's collective intelligence and the hard work of a very talented and gifted rider is the way to proceed here? In fact do half you guys think at all before putting pen to paper or keys to computer?
For once in your life you collective non-achievers should open your eyes and praise the success of others and stop insulting those who have managed to get it together. Indeed if half of the cycling nations in the world took the no-nonsense approach taken by British Cycling and Sky, persuaded their governments to invest pubic money and so on, then you'd have greater success from many countries on the world stage. I can only look at the abysmal organisation of the Thai Cycling Association - a country that should be producing great climbers and rouleurs - to know just how much truth their is in my statement.
So instead of sitting there and writing putrid nonsense why don't you go out there and start organsing in the way that Brailsford and British Cycling has done? Or perhaps its easier just to sit there and write nonsense and showing disrespect to those this nonsense are loners with autism who do not understand the meaning of the words 'work' and 'success'. Wiggins referred to you lot as something beginning with "W:. He was being too kind.
 

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He's also Cav's personal assistant.

Again another insult from someone who knows nothing. Was Hayles' HCT level not investigated and the reason for the high level made public?
 
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The Cobra said:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/201...gn=Feed:+blogspot/cJKs+(The+Science+of+Sport)

Sky aren't doing anything extraterrestrial. The doping talk here has gone out of control! The power numbers are believable, Wiggins has always been a talent. Froome kind of came from no where, but if Wiggins is clean I highly doubt Sky would be letting Froome go 'rogue' on his own doping program.

Seriously what is Sky's competition in this Tour. Schleck, please. Evans, on good form again but he's lost his edge compared to last year that is clear. Is it because he has a baby now, or because he's already won the Tour and some of the hunger has gone. The rest are either past there prime (Menchov), crashed out or are second rate GC men (Monfort). There is only one benchmark in this era to compare Sky to and that is Alberto Contador. Next year will be something special if all turn up on top form.

Everyone mocked Sky's marginal gains theories at the start, and the first year they were over confident, arrogant and didnt put the work in. Now they're still arrogant but can at least back it up with results. Everyone in contention for the Tour team has had to dedicate their entire lives to this. Spending all winter in Mallorca and the rest of the year in Tenerife or away racing together. Everything is closely controlled. Every last detail taken care of. Every training ride carefully planned. All these guys have done is eat, sleep, train and race together. This really is a professionalism that no other team has. How many people mocked Wiggins for warming down on the turbo after a road stage? Now everyone does it! I think we will see more teams copying Sky's methods next year.

So everyone is going to hire Leinders? I mean, hiring a doctor fired for shehanigans and deemed to dodgy to be picked up by any other team for years, that is the ticket to clean cycling!

/Breaks open thread with a sledgehammer.

Once again "The performances are believabe". never mind the question I have to repeat a few hundred times. Is there something like a collective reading/comprehension problem here?
 
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ianfra said:
Actually your post was horribly offensive. There was an era of Armstrong et al where dope was indeed the oil in the engine Of tht there is no doubt.
However, we have moved into a new era and your post was a nasty cynical and unwarranted slur on an honourable person in the shape of Wiggins. Remember the pain he went through when the Cofidis team was dragged away by the police because one idiot doped? Do you really think that Sky and the British Cycling Team could get away with cheating when they are under so much scrutiny? Don't you think that given a scientific approach to training with new thinking and new ideas may just be the game changer here? Do you really think that continually insulting Brailsford and his team's collective intelligence and the hard work of a very talented and gifted rider is the way to proceed here? In fact do half you guys think at all before putting pen to paper or keys to computer?
For once in your life you collective non-achievers should open your eyes and praise the success of others and stop insulting those who have managed to get it together. Indeed if half of the cycling nations in the world took the no-nonsense approach taken by British Cycling and Sky, persuaded their governments to invest pubic money and so on, then you'd have greater success from many countries on the world stage. I can only look at the abysmal organisation of the Thai Cycling Association - a country that should be producing great climbers and rouleurs - to know just how much truth their is in my statement.
So instead of sitting there and writing putrid nonsense why don't you go out there and start organsing in the way that Brailsford and British Cycling has done? Or perhaps its easier just to sit there and write nonsense and showing disrespect to those this nonsense are loners with autism who do not understand the meaning of the words 'work' and 'success'. Wiggins referred to you lot as something beginning with "W:. He was being too kind.

This is LOLtastic. The great thing is that you don't even have to write it yourself. Just take a post from a jingoistic Armstrong supporter from about 2004; do a search and replace to convert Armstrong to Wiggins, Disco to Sky, and Bruyneel to Brailsford; and, voila, new post that covers every talking point. It could be easily automated for robo posting.