but lets be fair here, if vinge and roglic were free to ride its very likely Vinge would have smashed this. Only looked like to get better in the final week.
The big question which has not really been answered was Vingegaard's participation at the Vuelta. Was it really a lack of faith in Roglic's ability?
That's not true. Roglič wanted to go, his numbers were great after Giro, but team said no.If it is to be believed, then Vingegaard was promised the opportunity to ride the Vuelta at the start of the season due to the team's faith in his ability. Roglič on the other hand was only promised the Giro, because he didn't want to play second fiddle in the Tour, plus his GT level was of course also uncertain at that point. After the Giro win, the team once again tried to convince him to go to the Tour, but they still couldn't come to an agreement.
That obviously meant that both he and Vingegaard and Kuss, whose status in the team hadn't been threatened by any of the team's other climbers and since he also got along with both R and J, all had to go to the Vuelta.
If he thinks that he has a fair chance of winning the Tour with brute force against Pogi and Vingegaard, he should change team.Everyone has their opinion re a potential Roglič transfer. If he stays, I trust he has good reasons to do so. But one argument I've seen repeated is the one Zeeman uses here, i.e. it's "easier" to beat Vingegaard & Kuss if he's their teammate.
In reality the Vuelta showed the complete opposite to be true. Being on the same team as those riders skewered his chances. He couldn't attack, he had to endure their attacks & the team actively imposed orders to force him into 3rd.
Could the scenario be different in the Tour? Maybe, maybe not. That's the sort of question I assume Rog is asking himself right now (& the team, whether he believes their answers or not).
Yes. This is an important difference. I think it was @Netserk who disagreed earlier, but Vingegaard was laser focused on the Tour this year l, did not specifically prep for this, came in undercooked and had GI issues (see ITT), already won the biggest prize in the sport, etc. very different scenario from Roglic who was shooting for a record-tying fourth and had spent the last several months on specific prep and sacrifices to win the Vuelta. He is also 33. He was at the top of his game and had a lot at stake. Kuss and Vingegaard YOLOed it and were at least at times weaker than Roglic, and yet they finished above him due to team orders. How could you not be frustrated even if you love Kuss like a brother?https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...nst-formidable-rivals-like-vingegaard-or-kuss
Merijn Zeeman, leader of Jumbo-Visma on the car throughout most of the biggest races of the year, has talked about the preparation that goes behind a triple Grand Tour win, conflicts within Jumbo-Visma and the topic of Primoz Roglic's possible departure from the team.
Jonas Vingegaard was ok with it, but Primoz Roglic was not as satisfied, after having prepared throughout months specifically for the race and not stepping a foot wrong. Rumours enhanced of a possible departure, despite his two years of remaining contract. "To be honest, I'm not overly worried about that. Additionally, we are continually developing talented riders ourselves. Primoz has grown into the undisputed leader of the team with us;" Zeeman replies to that quite directly. Movistar Team, Lidl-Trek and INEOS Grenadiers are all teams mentioned over the past months. Most of the argument lies in his inability to lead the Tour de France because of Jonas Vingegaard's presence.
However he presents another obvious point that is often ignored by those claiming his chances of success would improve elsewhere. "I believe it's in Primoz's best interest to strive for a Tour win while wearing the Jumbo-Visma jersey. If he were to leave, he'd potentially have to compete against formidable rivals like Vingegaard or Kuss," Zeeman adds. "Being a teammate to such strong riders is a better position than competing against them."
(Zeeman seems to confirm that Roglic is not happy and thinking of moving. If Roglic does want to be team leader at the Tour, then he'll have to move, or maybe Jumbo management have upset him so much he wants to move. This soap opera will run for a while yet.)
No, it did not.But one argument I've seen repeated is the one Zeeman uses here, i.e. it's "easier" to beat Vingegaard & Kuss if he's their teammate.
In reality the Vuelta showed the complete opposite to be true.
No, it did not.
Just because Kuss was the one who ended up gaining time early and Roglic was held back in an effort to gain this time back, it doesn't mean the next time the roles wouldn't be reversed and that Roglic couldn't be the one who ends up gaining time and Vingegaard is held back, for example.
If we assume that statistically Roglic has a bigger chance to be weaker than Vingegaard than stronger than him, he could have a better chance winning the TdF the Kuss way than changing teams and going against Vingegaard and Kuss and whoever else they throw into the mix in a straight fight. Even more so if you include the factor that Jumbo's ways of getting performance out of riders seem to be the best in the peloton at the moment and Roglic switching teams may end up hurting is performance a bit. If you make these assumptions, Zeeman's comment makes perfect sense.