That sounds pretty speculative to me. The bottom line is that when a rider attempts a GT double, just that alone mostly overwhelms anything else he does. Roglic has had a very impressive year, and I don't have a problem with anyone being suspicious about someone coming so close to winning the Tour, then a month later being a major contender in the Vuelta. But I don't see that this is unprecedented. In addition to Froome's several Tour-Vuelta years, both he and Dumo came close to a Giro-Tour double.. That is three months at peak condition.
That sounds pretty speculative to me. The bottom line is that when a rider attempts a GT double, just that alone mostly overwhelms anything else he does. Roglic has had a very impressive year, and I don't have a problem with anyone being suspicious about someone coming so close to winning the Tour, then a month later being a major contender in the Vuelta. But I don't see that this is unprecedented. In addition to Froome's several Tour-Vuelta years, both he and Dumo came close to a Giro-Tour double.. That is three months at peak condition.
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Yes, whenever Froome made a serious, focused attempt at double GT’s he structured things very differently, eg riding himself into form over for the first week of the Giro. That’s not at all the same as being at peak consistently from day one and before across both GT’s, and all races in between.
I also didn’t get the impression that Roglic even planned to double up. I wonder if he’d even be at the Vuelta if he didn’t lose the Tour so dramatically and unexpectedly? Again, pretty amazing if this wasn’t part of his seasons plan but he’s able to just go again without any signs of accumulated fatigue from the Tour which was surely his primary goal for the year.
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So, Vingegaard.
Is he really only 60kg? Is it normal for a rider who was nothing special in TTs in U23 (seriously, look at his NC results) to become this good?
Is he really only 60kg? Is it normal for a rider who was nothing special in TTs in U23 (seriously, look at his NC results) to become this good?
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Jumbo Visma, you go to this team and they turn you a time trial specialist in a few weeks.
Look at Roglic and how he suddenly became a TT specialist after joining Jumbo. Now Vingegaard. I bet is just wind tunnel testing. Hopefully nothing to do with glowing hubs.
With the performances of Jumbo, UAE, Alpecin, Bahrain and Astana, Ineos starts to look more and more like a 'normal' team. Which is particularly worrying.
Look at Roglic and how he suddenly became a TT specialist after joining Jumbo. Now Vingegaard. I bet is just wind tunnel testing. Hopefully nothing to do with glowing hubs.
With the performances of Jumbo, UAE, Alpecin, Bahrain and Astana, Ineos starts to look more and more like a 'normal' team. Which is particularly worrying.
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Really? It seems to me like Jumbo have been pretty hardcore focused on TT for years & years now. It's pretty much their specialty.
What I'm seeing is their 2020 dominance now looks more & more attributable to the COVID lockdowns & the others (hello Ineos) easing off abetween spring & autumn 2020.
Now business as usual has resumed & they're no longer at the top.
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So a nominal pre-Tour number 3 rider finished among the best of the rest and number 4 rider 1'40'' behind the mortals despite a suboptimal buildup.
This guy came out of nowhere (the random overperformance in poland two years ago doesn't really count for me) this season and never looked back. Jumbo probably added him to their select training methods after winning the UAE stage.
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Remember that Vingegaard crashed shortly before Romme, so not at his best there.
Now they just need to kickstart Kruijswijk.
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Awesome. Time to kick some ass.
For a moment I was worried certain teams had a huge advantage but that was reassuring. I mean from my chair here that was seriously entertaining stuff & my only regret is the loss of Roglic.
The "what could have been" is going to sting until he gets his vengeance.
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Rest day was in Tignes, where jumbo basically has a second home at this point. Anything to do with it?
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No.
I think Vingegaard could have been hindered by his crash on stage 8 and Van Aert did perfectly well on stage 9 for a guy who had an appendectomy 2 months before, was in a break on stage 7 and was working a lot on that day and then had to make another big effort on stage 8 to try to get the jersey.
Which makes all the JV fanboy hand-wringing all the more hilarious.
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i mean...no, not really? like you said he had a nice performance in Poland two years ago, not sure why that wouldn't count, especially when he was only 22. he was a great domestique at the Vuelta last year and has had a nice season this year where he's done from well to outstanding in every race he's been in. it isn't out of nowhere at all.
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An article in a danish newspaper about Vingegaard from a couple of days ago.
Team Denmark had him tested three years ago, where he showed exceptional numbers:
www.berlingske.dk
From the article:
"Sports physiologist Lars Johansen from Team Denmark put it in perspective. Jonas Vingegaard is 15 percent above what other male Danish cyclists achieve when you look in isolation at oxygen uptake and at the watts that tell about the pressure on the pedals in relation to a body weight of about 58 kilos."
Team Denmark had him tested three years ago, where he showed exceptional numbers:
Ingen vil sige det højt – men Jonas Vingegaard kan blive den næste danske Tour-vinder
Læs mere her.
www.berlingske.dk
From the article:
"Sports physiologist Lars Johansen from Team Denmark put it in perspective. Jonas Vingegaard is 15 percent above what other male Danish cyclists achieve when you look in isolation at oxygen uptake and at the watts that tell about the pressure on the pedals in relation to a body weight of about 58 kilos."
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huge headwind that day. its more remarkable that he was faster than Lance in 2002 and Froome 2013 IMO.
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