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UCI on the attack with another banger press release.

UCI statement concerning Team Visma | Lease a Bike

www.uci.org

I said this whole thing had LRP camper van vibes but I didn't think they'd try and clampdown this quickly.

Good we have UCI! So people like Plugge don’t turn our sport into F1 and with zero respect for history.

 

[Rob5091]

UCI on the attack with another banger press release.

UCI statement concerning Team Visma | Lease a Bike

www.uci.org

I said this whole thing had LRP camper van vibes but I didn't think they'd try and clampdown this quickly.

You can not make this stuff up!
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...ur-de-france-data-vehicle-at-threat-from-uci/

It will be hoping the UCI doesn’t hit “reset” on that idea.

So what will the A-team in the van be doing instead? Sitting in the team bus instead with their laptops?

 

[Ricco']

Just change the name... «The "L.O.V.E."* Room» or something like that.

*L.O.V.E. = Lanternerouge Operated Vehicle Extension


Or paint it as a U-Haul Van like those FBI surveillence vans.

 

[Rackham]

So we already have the 2024 equivalent of last year's Plugge versus Madiot Beergate.

This year, it's "Controlgate".

There's always something with this team. Personally speaking I was more concerned about the lack of visible WC facilities onboard like a camper has (or the team busses have).

For the sake of the sweaty guys 'working' at their monitors whilst listening into their rival's radio conversations, I hope they park somewhere private. When you gotta go, you gotta go.

 

[Oldermanish]

Good we have UCI! So people like Plugge don’t turn our sport into F1 and with zero respect for history.

Too late.

 

[Oldermanish]

So we already have the 2024 equivalent of last year's Plugge versus Madiot Beergate.

This year, it's "Controlgate".

There's always something with this team. Personally speaking I was more concerned about the lack of visible WC facilities onboard like a camper has (or the team busses have).

For the sake of the sweaty guys 'working' at their monitors whilst listening into their rival's radio conversations, I hope they park somewhere private. When you gotta go, you gotta go.

How about the possibility of monitoring pulse/wattage of other teams' riders? That should be banned if not already?

 

[Rob5091]

How about the possibility of monitoring pulse/wattage of other teams' riders? That should be banned if not already?

We're in the NSA/GCHQ intercepting of radio transmissions here, I think. If Visma try it, then someone will be going to jail. That is of course if they get caught.

 

[Oldermanish]

We're in the NSA/GCHQ intercepting of radio transmissions here, I think. If Visma try it, then someone will be going to jail. That is of course if they get caught.

Because of the limited range of broadcast from the competitor's Garmin/whatever to a rider-carried scanning receiver; wouldn't that be beyond the reach of the law? That's kind of free broadcast stuff and not secured?

The rider in proximity "might" know who owns the broadcast unit but could certainly relay who they were around. Plausible deniability all around. Embedded file retrieval might cross the line but would be worthwhile to have a week's information from a rival.
Seems like something that should be in the UCI rules if nothing else. Like a full team suspension for doing something like that.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Plugge out there playing PCM from the control room telling Vingegaard to 78% own effort himself to the top

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Plugge out there playing PCM from the control room telling Vingegaard to 78% own effort himself to the top

Good thing it isn't Benji Naesen they've signed up to do this, as Vingegaard would die from dehydration if that was the case.

 

[Rob5091]

Because of the limited range of broadcast from the competitor's Garmin/whatever to a rider-carried scanning receiver; wouldn't that be beyond the reach of the law? That's kind of free broadcast stuff and not secured?

The rider in proximity "might" know who owns the broadcast unit but could certainly relay who they were around. Plausible deniability all around. Embedded file retrieval might cross the line but would be worthwhile to have a week's information from a rival.
Seems like something that should be in the UCI rules if nothing else. Like a full team suspension for doing something like that.

We did have the 2015 hack of Froome's data - and subsequent YouTube video ...
https://www.bicycling.com/racing/a20027055/chris-froome-s-crazy-data-hack-scandal/

The hack Brailsford claimed occurred wasn’t a rival team trying to crack Sky’s competitive code or just learn some intel, a la the Saint Louis Cardinals’ alleged hacking of the Houston Astros. Instead, it was about doping. “Chris Froome’s ride for glory under threat in data spying storm,” read another headline, this time in the UK’s Telegraph newspaper.

Now, would n't it be amusing if the UCI anti-doping people were behind the hack?

 

[Netserk]

We're in the NSA/GCHQ intercepting of radio transmissions here, I think. If Visma try it, then someone will be going to jail. That is of course if they get caught.

US Postal was rumoured to have intercepted the radio transmission of other teams.

 

[RedheadDane]

We're in the NSA/GCHQ intercepting of radio transmissions here, I think. If Visma try it, then someone will be going to jail. That is of course if they get caught.

Maybe we'll have more teams sprouting nonsense like UAE did last year.

 

[scribers]

US Postal was rumoured to have intercepted the radio transmission of other teams.

Bruyneel has referenced this frequently and I think channels were easily listenable. He said they listened in a lot and also put a lot of bad info out there for others doing the same.

Sorry if I misread the string conversation and playing captain obvious

 

[Rob5091]

Maybe we'll have more teams sprouting nonsense like UAE did last year.

UAE's little joke, https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...the-tour-de-france-with-cryptic-radio-message
"Okay guys, now we do Plan C," the message starts, normally enough. "Everybody jump the tiger! When the crocodiles have to swim, you jump!"
(google translate gives, "I've taken some strong drugs and don't know what I'm babbling on about.")

 

[Rob5091]

Bruyneel has referenced this frequently and I think channels were easily listenable. He said they listened in a lot and also put a lot of bad info out there for others doing the same.

Sorry if I misread the string conversation and playing captain obvious

Radio is one thing, but nowadays riders data is the prime object for other teams. An old article from 2015 gives a good explaination - https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2015/07/power-meters-pro-cycling.html

 

[Oldermanish]

US Postal was rumoured to have intercepted the radio transmission of other teams.

Not a shock that any team capable of monitoring other teams would do it. The frequencies for each team are probably not secret as peloton safety measures on the road would require commissars to have access.

 

[Oldermanish]

Radio is one thing, but nowadays riders data is the prime object for other teams. An old article from 2015 gives a good explaination - https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2015/07/power-meters-pro-cycling.html

Thanks for that. Granted this is an analysis from 2015 and some improvements could be made:

"Now with that noted, how is the data transmitted? Is it open and easily readable? Well, in a nutshell – yes. But, it depends a little bit on how it’s broadcast. Today, both ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart as used in power meters on the market today are not encrypting data. That means that one could snoop and listen to data broadcast from any rider passing by."

Not that JV is actively doing anything but ASO should have a race policy if the UCI doesn't. Get caught stealing data and your team is banned from our events for....whatever duration.

 

[AmRacer]

So the split the team for Wout and Jonas?
We'll see if Wout will work for Jonas.

 

[James M]

why did jumbo ride so slow on the hills and let the gap go out even so much to the breakaway clearly slowing down... only to be working at the flat with jorgenson even to pull it back? really wierd.

 

[Froome]

So the split the team for Wout and Jonas?
We'll see if Wout will work for Jonas.

Of course he will work for Vingegaard. He already helped Vingegaard today, taking 4 s on Pogacar.

 

[AmRacer]

Of course he will work for Vingegaard. He already helped Vingegaard today, taking 4 s on Pogacar.

So Jorgenson pulled hard and Wout sprinted so Pog shouldn't get 4 sec. They could've done it without Jorgenson pulling

 

[Froome]

So Jorgenson pulled hard and Wout sprinted so Pog shouldn't get 4 sec. They could've done it without Jorgenson pulling

Jorgenson was working for Van aert to win the stage in the end.

I was joking about the 4 s, Van aert certainly didn't thought about that at the moment, he wanted to win the stage.

Now, obviously Vingegaard can't work for Van aert, it doesn't make sense.

 

[AmRacer]

Jorgenson was working for Van aert to win the stage in the end.

I was joking about the 4 s, Van aert certainly didn't thought about that at the moment, he wanted to win the stage.

Now, obviously Vingegaard can't work for Van aert, it doesn't make sense.

Agree, Jonas cannot work for Wout. I do think Wout will now try getting the green.

 

[Froome]

Agree, Jonas cannot work for Wout. I do think Wout will now try getting the green.

Yeah....i also think Wout can win tomorrow.