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[Big Doopie]

Sending? Maybe it was his own decision. Who knows, riders might have a brain of their own.

Also, that wasn't decisive at all. Laporte took about two pulls.

fair, but they should have let pog dangle 100-200 m in front for 10 kms or so...

instead they tried tiring out VdP.

 

[Red Rick]

mistake sending laporte up to pog in order to tire VdP.

instead they should have left pog dangling out there on his own for much longer.

VdP totally plays games inside WvA's head.

I don't think Pog would've let himself dangle. You could see how quickly Laporte closed the gap Pog wasn't going full gas.

Jumbo needed to put Van Aert in a spot where Pog and MvdP had to work but Van Hooydonck in a break wasn't it. Let's say you have Laporte instead of Van Hooydonck and Van Aert legit doesn't have to ride with Pog and MvdP, making it pretty unlikely he gets dropped until Kwaremont by Pog if at all.

 

[Big Doopie]

I don't think Pog would've let himself dangle. You could see how quickly Laporte closed the gap Pog wasn't going full gas.

Jumbo needed to put Van Aert in a spot where Pog and MvdP had to work but Van Hooydonck in a break wasn't it. Let's say you have Laporte instead of Van Hooydonck and Van Aert legit doesn't have to ride with Pog and MvdP, making it pretty unlikely he gets dropped until Kwaremont by Pog if at all.

you are most likely correct.

 

[Netserk]

Do you think they would have dominated Pogacar and MvdP today?

No, but that is irrelevant to the point I made.

It's not about absolute athletic ability. It's about how much they predictably dominate, how much they "ruin" the races for the viewers. That was the complaint about Jumbo here, but they are not the dominant force some make them out to be.

 

[Red Rick]

No, but that is irrelevant to the point I made.

It's not about absolute athletic ability. It's about how much they predictably dominate, how much they "ruin" the races for the viewers. That was the complaint about Jumbo here, but they are not the dominant force some make them out to be.

Fair enough.

It's a weird situation with the 3 main Ronde favorites skipping most of the Belgian classics. I guess DDV, Omloop and KBK being the ones that had none of Van Aert, Pog, and MvdP are the ones where the other teams simply should have done better as well.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Has QS ever really realistically 'ruined' the classics? I have never felt that before honestly, but then again I can't really remember Flanders 08-09, but Im pretty sure I would have fumed at Devolder winning twice in a row.

 

[Red Rick]

Has QS ever really realistically 'ruined' the classics? I have never felt that before honestly, but then again I can't really remember Flanders 08-09, but Im pretty sure I would have fumed at Devolder winning twice in a row.

The ruined Omloop pretty hard that time when they got 2nd, 3rd and 4th in a group of 4.

 

[Netserk]

Has QS ever really realistically 'ruined' the classics? I have never felt that before honestly, but then again I can't really remember Flanders 08-09, but Im pretty sure I would have fumed at Devolder winning twice in a row.

E3 2018 was too much for me.

 

[Netserk]

Fair enough.

It's a weird situation with the 3 main Ronde favorites skipping most of the Belgian classics. I guess DDV, Omloop and KBK being the ones that had none of Van Aert, Pog, and MvdP are the ones where the other teams simply should have done better as well.

Last year was even worse in that regard, as Pogi and MvdP only raced Dwars, not E3. So we didn't have a single Flemish classic with Van Aert against either of them.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Cross season and Pogacar not really targetting the races outside of Flanders is a ***.

Although to be fair, him just racing E-3 is fine for me, thats about what we can expect given everything. Im much more disappointed in the Vans since I couldnt give a rats arse about cross and would rather watch them in Kuurne than at cross worlds.

 

[tobydawq]

I can't say I have been carefully tracking every team in every major race throughout history but today's tactics must be one of the worst examples of wasting team strength I have ever seen.

 

[Red Rick]

I can't say I have been carefully tracking every team in every major race throughout history but today's tactics must be one of the worst examples of wasting team strength I have ever seen.

The worrying thing is Van Aert saying the situation was good for the team just before Pogacar took off on 2nd Kwaremont. It only confirms Jumbo had very different assumptions about how the race should unfold and they got it very wrong.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Benoot was a completely nonshow. Laporte did what was expected, we knew he was nowhere near those three and it would be a matter of time before getting dropped. They needed those two in the group, not Nathan. If that was the case the situation is suddenly really good, especially since Wout needed to basically just sit on Mathieu and Pogacar to have a chance today and that could have been an important alibi.

Van Hoydonck in that group is close ot useless. They needed Van Baarle today to mark that move

 

[Wyndbrook]

Esra Tromp and Jumbo have parted ways.
Usual meaningless statements.
Looks like a football manager style lack of results sacking. From my very limited knowledge she seemed ok at her job.
In mitigation Vos has been out most of the season so far and SDWorx are doing a Jumbo mens team domination.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Jumbo announced their Giro squad, no Kelderman. Sep Kuss will be in il Giro

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644339165130117120

View: https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1644339165130117120?t=s9dXLuWiaoBTqkQIJCBmRA&s=19

 

[Red Rick]

KelderGOAT crashing his way to a TdF spot

 

[Open Horizon]

So did Kelderman swap spots with Kuss?

Would be a risky strategy given that Kuss is usually used as a 3rd week mountain domestique and Kelderman is usually home in the third week.

 

[Netserk]

I think Kuss will double up. Madness otherwise.

 

[Rackham]

I think Kuss is a big, big boost for Rogla. This isn't the B-team, this is a serious GC squad.

+ it just wouldn't be a real GT fight for Rog without Sepp alongside him in the mountains. He'll be there to kill the entertainment for everyone else & we Rogla fans will love him for it.

 

[Open Horizon]

If the Tour team =

Vingegaard
Van Aert
Laporte
Van Baarle
Benoot
Van Hooydonck
Kuss
Kruijswijk

Then Kelderman, well...

 

[theyoungest]

If the Tour team =

Vingegaard
Van Aert
Laporte
Van Baarle
Benoot
Van Hooydonck
Kuss
Kruijswijk

Then Kelderman, well...

Kelderman was 5th in the Tour two years ago. I reckon he could be pretty useful... if he's fit and ready, surely they'll take him, maybe ahead of someone like Benoot.

 

[Open Horizon]

Yeah, with Roglic out compared to last year, and Van Baarle in, they lack high mountain power.

 

[Lequack]

Keldermann seemed to be in good form, minus that crash. Strange to replace him with Kuss. Also wasn't Kruijswik supposed to be in ther Giro team?

 

[Netserk]

Kelderman in before Kruijswijk. If the latter finds some form, maybe he will go instead of Van Baarle.

 

[acm]

Keldermann seemed to be in good form, minus that crash. Strange to replace him with Kuss. Also wasn't Kruijswik supposed to be in ther Giro team?

No.

Too bad for Kelderman, he was really in good form at Tirreno. But Primoz and Sepp are my favorite duo, so I'm very happy that they'll ride Giro together.