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[theyoungest]

Do they have a rider who could win the Giro Donne? Because if they do, I think they could become the first team (organisation) to win all three Giri in a season.

A few years ago, I would have said Vos, but I'm not so sure these days.

No they don't. Well they do actually, Riejanne Markus might be able to do it, but she's not doing the Giro Donne.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671813609456824320

View: https://twitter.com/raykerckhoffs/status/1671813609456824320

The Saudi’s are interested in taking full title sponsorship of Jumbo-Visma.

 

[Gargamel35]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671813609456824320

View: https://twitter.com/raykerckhoffs/status/1671813609456824320

The Saudi’s are interested in taking full title sponsorship of Jumbo-Visma.

Noooo. I hate this. Eastern billionaires buying everything that is good in Europe.

 

[theyoungest]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671813609456824320

View: https://twitter.com/raykerckhoffs/status/1671813609456824320

The Saudi’s are interested in taking full title sponsorship of Jumbo-Visma.

This article is crap journalism. Putting Plugge's picture at the top as if he's in serious talks with the Saudis, When in fact he didn't even know about their interest... Pure clickbait, which is what we're used to from Raymond Kerckhoffs.

 

[Nick2413]

Yeah this buying up of the whole sports world is starting to get weird.

 

[Gargamel35]

Yeah this buying up of the whole sports world is starting to get weird.

It's hard to show yourself in front of others with billions from oil while you own sand and concrete. They love European style, luxury, sport, history so they think they can buy it and own it. And at the same time influence to culture to have it their way (back to sand).

 

[Samamba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671813609456824320

View: https://twitter.com/raykerckhoffs/status/1671813609456824320

The Saudi’s are interested in taking full title sponsorship of Jumbo-Visma.

Why does this article look like an advertisement for Neon City? Wielerflits articles are usually short and then this one comes. Super long and letting a guy who literally works there explain how "good" Neon city is and how positive the things they do could be.

It comes off like them paying Wielerflits to post this *** (wouldn't be the first time Wielerflits takes money from those oil states to post some "tourist" stuff), not them actually going to sponsor the team.

 

[theyoungest]

Why does this article look like an advertisement for Neon City? Wielerflits articles are usually short and then this one comes. Super long and letting a guy who literally works there explain how "good" Neon city is and how positive the things they do could be.

It comes off like them paying Wielerflits to post this *** (wouldn't be the first time Wielerflits takes money from those oil states to post some "tourist" stuff), not them actually going to sponsor the team.

Of course they've been paid. Kerckhoffs can be bought, he'll write anything. And then you add legitimacy by adding a Plugge quote and picture. He's skilled at this, used to do the same at the Telegraaf.

 

[Samamba]

Of course they've been paid. Kerckhoffs can be bought, he'll write anything. And then you add legitimacy by adding a Plugge quote and picture. He's skilled at this, used to do the same at the Telegraaf.

It's also illegal.

 

[Danskebjerge]

A future sponsor of Jumbo should at the very least be able to prove that it's an independent company with no connection to the state. We can't totally exclude despotic nations, but we can prevent their horrible governments from gaining control over European sports.

 

[theyoungest]

A future sponsor of Jumbo should at the very least be able to prove that it's an independent company with no connection to the state. We can't totally exclude despotic nations, but we can prevent their horrible governments from gaining control over European sports.

They are already in control. At least I don't know which company UAE or Bahrain are supposed to represent?

 

[Danskebjerge]

They are already in control. At least I don't know which company UAE or Bahrain are supposed to represent?

Those two are. Since they came (and Gazprom), there has been an increasing awareness regarding Arab sportswashing and anti-democratic values. It must be stopped.

I wouldn't mind if that meant that European state-owned firms would also be excluded from sponsoring.

 

[Red Rick]

Guess it's not unexpected, it's cheaper than a single washed up PL player playing Saudi and probably a lot more ROI

 

[theyoungest]

Those two are. Since they came (and Gazprom), there has been an increasing awareness regarding Arab sportswashing and anti-democratic values. It must be stopped.

I wouldn't mind if that meant that European state-owned firms would also be excluded from sponsoring.

That seems a bit unfair, doesn't it? I have no idea if any other potential sponsors will throw their name in the mix, but otherwise it would be strange for Plugge to have moral qualms when arguably their biggest rival can freely and unashamedly accept Middle Eastern money... because apparently a few years ago human rights were unimportant.

 

[Netserk]

A future sponsor of Jumbo should at the very least be able to prove that it's an independent company with no connection to the state. We can't totally exclude despotic nations, but we can prevent their horrible governments from gaining control over European sports.

I'd rather some of that oil money is spent on cycling than whatever else.

 

[Danskebjerge]

because apparently a few years ago human rights were unimportant.

At some point, you need to draw a line - otherwise it's hard to change things.

Until recently, it was thought that undemocratic nations would improve if we let them in - that proved to be wrong in many ways.

 

[Danskebjerge]

I'd rather some of that oil money is spent on cycling than whatever else.

Money talks?

 

[Red Rick]

I'd rather some of that oil money is spent on cycling than whatever else.

I'd rather see the team fold full stop than fold for Saudi money

 

[Ricco']

With Jayco-AlUla, JV potential deal with NEOM and Movistar's deal with the Saudi government (which we don't have many details so far) are they trying to set a record about how many state controlled or partially controlled teams one could have?

 

[theyoungest]

At some point, you need to draw a line - otherwise it's hard to change things.

Until recently, it was thought that undemocratic nations would improve if we let them in - that proved to be wrong in many ways.

It's easy to take the moral high ground when you don't have to keep a business running, with employees who depend on you. So far it's just a purely hypothetical case, since Plugge hadn't even heard of their interest so how serious is it really. But if he has no other choice, of course he'll accept the money.

 

[Netserk]

At some point, you need to draw a line - otherwise it's hard to change things.

Until recently, it was thought that undemocratic nations would improve if we let them in - that proved to be wrong in many ways.

When and where?

 

[Netserk]

Oil is good. Money is good. I'm glad the Saudis have oil, I much prefer that to an alternative world with less resources.

 

[Danskebjerge]

When and where?

Read the news.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I highly recommend Blood and Oil for anyone interested in Saudi Arabia and MBS.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Someone just tell them Fred and Scott Mctominay are available for the low low price of 150 million, they'll soon lose interest in the cycling