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[Rou]

Because 5 days in Valencia is the same as 5 days in Monuments.

No, but some Valencian stages are harder than San Remo.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yes, yes, we know.
Pogacar does Flanders and is equal to 10 race days for Vingegaard, right?
I'm curious how did Merckx do 80+ race days including Monuments and 2 GTs per year and was competitive all the time.
Option A: He was racing against plumbers.
Option B: Pogacar's endurance is overrated and that's why he races so little.
I think both options are somewhat true.

Everybody raced the same schedule during Merckx’s time. Pogacar has to race people who only specifically peak for those specific monuments or grand tours in MVDP, Evenepoel, and Vingegaard. The racing environment isn’t remotely the same across the two eras.

 

[Netserk]

Everybody raced the same schedule during Merckx’s time. Pogacar has to race people who only specifically peak for those specific monuments or grand tours in MVDP, Evenepoel, and Vingegaard. The racing environment isn’t remotely the same across the two eras.

vingegaard also had to race against different riders in tour and vuelta

gall was the only other rider from the top10 of the tour to start the vuelta

 

[Netserk]

his limited racing in the spring was because he crashed out of pn while leading the race, then sidelined from a concussion

but thats what only focussing on the tour looks like

 

[red_flanders]

No, but some Valencian stages are harder than San Remo.

San Remo is literally twice the length of the average Valencia stage. That's not nuthin'. They're just really different efforts.

But all that is an aside. The only thing you could really critique Vingo about is the fact that he doesn't ride big one-day races. He's absolutely a different kind of rider, and I think clearly a less complete rider. For a guy who favors classics like I do, it makes him a less appealing rider than Pogi, but...it's really a matter of preference. Some folks love stage racing, and for them I would assume Vingo is one of the top 2 riders in the world.

Criticizing riders because they're not doing everything one of the best two riders to ever exist...well it's easy picking but it's kinda pointless. Everyone falls short.

 

[Cycling111]

It's been explained a thousand times.

Races must be measured by the demands and intensity of training, not days.

Pogacar can win one-week races at 70% of his peak form, but he has to race Roubaix at 100% of his peak form. For those stage races, he can train more gradually; for Roubaix, he has to be at maximum intensity. The training sessions to Roubaix are much more demanding and exhausting.

And it's not just the physical aspect; mentally, racing Roubaix or a WC is completely different from Valencia or Tirreno.

Anyone who refuses to understand will continue to say that Pogacar only races five days before Romandie and that Remco, for example, has put in more effort between the Mallorca and Valencia .1 races because are more days.
We can use Pogacar as an example comparing his races. Pogacar had to train less and exert himself less to win Catalunya in five days than in one day for Roubaix.

It can't be explained any further. He's explained it himself. Anyone who wants to keep saying that his spring scheuddel is less demanding than Vingegaard's or other cyclists who race one-week races
only taking into account a day counter they´ll never understand.

 

[Cycling111]

5 today for the Muscat Classic
7 from tomorrow

The list has been confirmed, and it includes the five riders who started today in the Muscat Classic.

Zingle and one other rider out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019783574765944893

View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/2019783574765944893?s=20

 

[Berniece]

It's been explained a thousand times.

Races must be measured by the demands and intensity of training, not days.

Pogacar can win one-week races at 70% of his peak form, but he has to race Roubaix at 100% of his peak form. For those stage races, he can train more gradually; for Roubaix, he has to be at maximum intensity. The training sessions to Roubaix are much more demanding and exhausting.

And it's not just the physical aspect; mentally, racing Roubaix or a WC is completely different from Valencia or Tirreno.

Anyone who refuses to understand will continue to say that Pogacar only races five days before Romandie and that Remco, for example, has put in more effort between the Mallorca and Valencia .1 races because are more days.
We can use Pogacar as an example comparing his races. Pogacar had to train less and exert himself less to win Catalunya in five days than in one day for Roubaix.

It can't be explained any further. He's explained it himself. Anyone who wants to keep saying that his spring scheuddel is less demanding than Vingegaard's or other cyclists who race one-week races
only taking into account a day counter they´ll never understand.

Pogacar isn’t the only one peaking towards a goal.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogacar isn’t the only one peaking towards a goal.

And that's why P-R, RVV etc. are so hard races.

 

[pastronef]

The list has been confirmed, and it includes the five riders who started today in the Muscat Classic.

Zingle and one other rider out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019783574765944893

View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/2019783574765944893?s=20

Ineos did it many times in the past, 5-6 riders to races

 

[RedheadDane]

Hold on, has Tulett just become the go-to "replacement rider" on the team?

"Hey, Ben. Simon is retired, you wanna do the Tour?"
"Hey, Ben. Jonas is not doing UAE Tour, you're in."

 

[Netserk]

Hold on, has Tulett just become the go-to "replacement rider" on the team?

"Hey, Ben. Simon is retired, you wanna do the Tour?"
"Hey, Ben. Jonas is not doing UAE Tour, you're in."

he was meant to ride with vingegaard

 

[RedheadDane]

he was meant to ride with vingegaard

Well, I'm just going by the fact that he only got added to the startlist on PCS less than an hour ago.

 

[Squire]

Nordhagen to UAE Tour as well. His season debut is finally announced. I was starting to get worried he was sick again or something.

 

[Netserk]

Well, I'm just going by the fact that he only got added to the startlist on PCS less than an hour ago.

"Dit is geen ramp": Visma | Lease a Bike zalft na uitvallen Jonas Vingegaard

Jonas Vingegaard kan door valpartij en ziekte niet starten in UAE Tour. Lees hoe Visma Lease a Bike hiermee omgaat en wat de volgende doelen zijn. Blijf op de hoogte!

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Can the team still approach the UAE Tour with ambition? According to Niermann, no major changes to the line-up are expected. “We won’t be sending Sepp Kuss over from Oman. We’ll race there with the other riders who were originally planned, such as Ben Tulett and Jørgen Nordhagen.”

 

[RedheadDane]

"Dit is geen ramp": Visma | Lease a Bike zalft na uitvallen Jonas Vingegaard

Jonas Vingegaard kan door valpartij en ziekte niet starten in UAE Tour. Lees hoe Visma Lease a Bike hiermee omgaat en wat de volgende doelen zijn. Blijf op de hoogte!

www.wielerflits.nl

Well, I don't generally read Dutch media, for obvious not-speaking-Dutch related reasons.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Not by Pogacar, but by Pogacar fans. But you're right, Vingo had more race days than Pogi last year... and it's not even close. I'm sure @Pozzovivo was aware of that.

First of all, I'm not at all a Pogacar fan. I have never commented on the # of race days specifically, so I'm unsure why you are @ me, @theyoungest?

I think race days are a pretty poor measure of presence throughout the main events of the season though. And I think this is what most users seem to be referring to?

Vingegaard deliberatly avoids many of the biggest races where he would likely do well but is unlikely to beat Pogacar and Evenepoel. That makes me frustrated, and it is very bad for cycling that the top riders so rarely compete against each other. Most agree with this I think.

 

[Netserk]

Vingegaard deliberatly avoids many of the biggest races where he would likely do well but is unlikely to beat Pogacar and Evenepoel. That makes me frustrated, and it is very bad for cycling that the top riders so rarely compete against each other. Most agree with this I think.

he rode as many of the biggest stage races as possible last year

and started each and every one prepared to win

 

[Netserk]

it has been the same for three years

but dauphine-tour-vuelta is not enough

after dnfing euros, he should also have ridden worlds and lombardia, despite never making a result in a proper one day race

 

[Squire]

he rode as many of the biggest stage races as possible last year

and started each and every one prepared to win

Yeah, that's a strange complaint to have about Vingegaard. When injuries haven't stopped him, he's been riding warmup race -> Paris-Nice/Tirreno -> Itzulia -> Dauphiné -> Tour -> Poland/Vuelta pretty much every year. The other riders know where to find him.

 

[Netserk]

if i wanted to see him battle the other two, id mostly be disappointed that they avoided him in the vuelta

 

[James M]

Vingegaard deliberatly avoids many of the biggest races where he would likely do well but is unlikely to beat Pogacar and Evenepoel. That makes me frustrated, and it is very bad for cycling that the top riders so rarely compete against each other. Most agree with this I think.

Most fans agree with this for obvious reasons even most Vingegaard fans. Reading between the lines, Visma or he dont want him to race unless they believe he can win these kinds of races as citing hes not 100% but can ride etc, and getting dropped or something similar would be detrimental to his mentality which is a shame.

Its hard not to agree with wanting to see Jonas race against strong opponents as much as possible and nothing else from no other basis that hes a fkcing good rider.

 

[Netserk]

in fact, he has never avoided evenepoel and pogacar in a stage race. not once

 

[Cycling111]

Most fans agree with this for obvious reasons even most Vingegaard fans. Reading between the lines, Visma or he dont want him to race unless they believe he can win these kinds of races as citing hes not 100% but can ride etc, and getting dropped or something similar would be detrimental to his mentality which is a shame.

Its hard not to agree with wanting to see Jonas race against strong opponents as much as possible and nothing else from no other basis that hes a fkcing good rider.

I think the same. Vingegaard will only race where he feels he's the favorite and where he's going to win.
TDF is the exception because Tour is an obligation for them. I think his numbers are insufficient for now, and that's why he prefers not to go to UAE.

That's another difference with Pogacar. It's very difficult for him to win San Remo or Roubaix; he could easily be winning Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico and racking up 10 stage and overall victories, but he prefers those tough challenges even if it means arriving in Romandie with only two wins.

In any case, this stems from a comment by someone who isn't a Pogacar fan, saying that he races fewer days, without taking into account the context of the races.

 

[Squire]

Man, the armchair psychologists on this fourm are getting worse by the day. Vingegaard is aiming to ride pretty much the five biggest stage races in the world each and every year. What more do you want from a specialist stage racer?