rzombie1988 said:I just hope they strictly follow the rules when the next mountain stage hits and Cav finishes it the week after.
If Cav misses the time limit, he will be in a very large group and he'll be the only one punished in that group.
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rzombie1988 said:I just hope they strictly follow the rules when the next mountain stage hits and Cav finishes it the week after.
RiccoDinko said:Team Cannondale could have left a rider with Ted, but there was the possibility of two riders then being cut. I lay the blame on ASO/UCI Race Jury. His accident was caused by the bus, and finish line change Stage 1. Come on, 7 seconds, this is just too brutal on the judges part. They should be ashamed.
avanti said:Perhaps Cannondale has a rider who they think may podium.
And the TdF has waived rules for riders who finish out of the time limit in the past (according to the media).
rzombie1988 said:i just hope they strictly follow the rules when the next mountain stage hits and cav finishes it the week after.
SetonHallPirate said:Can somebody recall the last time somebody was rescued from elimination by the commissaires for a TTT in a Grand Tour? (I don't remember, and am too lazy right now to look)
Boeing said:Another question might be: Was he truly in any condition to finish the race just for the sake of it?
There's a difference between in the mountains (where you're probably in a groupetto of riders that makes up 20% or more of the participants) and in a TTT (where you're almost certainly on your own).TheBean said:I can't, and am also too lazy.
But, Cav was allowed to continue racing (and eventually won the green jersey that year) after missing the time cut in the mountains a couple years back.
The whole peleton was given a free ride after the motorcycle-crash-leading-to-an-oil-slicked-road incident a few years ago.
This year's first stage also saw the commissaires giving leniency for extenuating circumstances.
I'm not sure if Zabriski (in yellow) was given a break the year he crashed during the TTT, but that would be a good place to check. Of course, since the crash occured during the stage rather than the rider missing the cut dur to injuries from a prior stage, the circumstances are pretty different.
hrotha said:I think this has been blown out of proportion because Ted King is a nice Anglophone guy and quite visible on Twitter. I feel bad for him, but I don't think they should have allowed him to stay after missing the time cut - just like I don't think anyone should, barring extraordinary circumstances.
hrotha said:...I don't think they should have allowed him to stay after missing the time cut - just like I don't think anyone should, barring extraordinary circumstances.
Yes, but as gooner said, a blank sheet was announced, and this new beginning was long overdue if you ask me. The time limit had become a joke.Microchip said:Yes, this is true. However, they (the officials) have shown several times that they would have “consideration” for a rider’s circumstances, so they’ve set their own precedent. Now, the comparisons make them appear biased toward a rider’s status.
hrotha said:Yes, but as gooner said, a blank sheet was announced, and this new beginning was long overdue if you ask me. The time limit had become a joke.
Microchip said:Yes, this is true. However, they (the officials) have shown several times that they would have “consideration” for a rider’s circumstances, so they’ve set their own precedent. Now, the comparisons make them appear biased toward a rider’s status.
goggalor said:Why did Cannondale put him on a roadbike with clips anyway? That's a minute right there. The team has to share blame with the jury.
Anyway, this should set the standard for the rest of the race. If the grupetto misses the time limit one day and the jury lets them continue they'll take some well-deserved abuse. It's not like King was asking for charity either, it's in the rules that exceptions can be made for riders who are outside the time limit.
Afrank said:Really sad that King didn't make the cut. I can see both sides of this one.
On one hand rules are rules, and if you make an exception for King then it's not going to be fair if you throw out the next rider that misses the time cut.
On the other hand coming 7 seconds back of the time cut in a TTT is very small. And I don't think it would harm anything or anyone to just allow him to ride for now (if his injuries are really bad then then he might have left the race later anyways). Plus there is the issue of his clock saying he would have been in the time limit. If his clock is correct, then kicking him out was very wrong.
Cannondale of course also share some of the blame in this, would have been good to have one guy stay back with him and help him. The silver lining in all this is he will be able to heal up for the rest of the season.
FYI, the rule still does exist that anybody brought back from an HD situation has the winners' points from that stage taken away from the green jersey race. Not sure how that would affect things, however, given that Ted King does not care about his own standing in the green jersey race, and also, given that no points were awarded for the green jersey yesterday!hrotha said:Yes, but as gooner said, a blank sheet was announced, and this new beginning was long overdue if you ask me. The time limit had become a joke.
Microchip said:Right. So a situation must have pros and cons; but there are more good and fair reasons to allow him to stay than there are cons.
For what it's worth, those grupetto-friendly time limit exceptions are BS. If something truly extraordinary happened, then by all means, allow the grupetto to continue. Otherwise, kick them all out. You can do perfectly well with less than 100 riders in the peloton.ToreBear said:It's a matter of the comparisons made. Also, it's how you interpret the rules.
For example one could say cavendish did'nt make the time cut in xxxxx and he got to continue. Then neglect to mention that the grupetto he was in was over 20% of the peleton.
So comparisons can easily be made to be misleading, both intentionally and unintentionally.
Microchip said:Right. So a situation must have pros and cons; but there are more good and fair reasons to allow him to stay than there are cons.
hrotha said:For what it's worth, those grupetto-friendly time limit exceptions are BS. If something truly extraordinary happened, then by all means, allow the grupetto to continue. Otherwise, kick them all out. You can do perfectly well with less than 100 riders in the peloton.
In the 17th stage of the 1998 Giro, 34 riders out of 132 were OOT (most notably Michele Bartoli). The race lost 25% of its riders, but everything was fine.