Tejay Van Garderen Discussion Thread

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movingtarget said:
He is a top 10 or 20 GT rider who could do better in one week races, he has finished the Tour top 5 before but I think those days are gone. Has the ability to do better but just isn't getting the results and not sure which team would have him or even need him when there are probably better options.
Seems like a perfect fit for Cannondale if he agrees to Giro or Vuelta (co-)leadership.
 
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Tejay is just the useless (and overrated who is massively overpaid) guy. He is a awful leader and a even worse domestique.
 
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portugal11 said:
Tejay is just the useless (and overrated who is massively overpaid) guy. He is a awful leader and a even worse domestique.
wtf if we start like this while he´s still with BMC I don´t know what we´ll read when/if he´ll sign with SKY :p
TJ needs to channel all this hate in order to release his inner Lance. :razz:

In all seriousness, I would prefer him to go to a team Sky rather than Cannondale. There seems to be a "sense of urgency" to Sky which I think would benefit TJ.
 
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
 
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Tonton said:
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
Spot on
 
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Tonton said:
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
I don't know if it was true at this years Giro, but usually that bad day comes immediately after one of the rest days. At least that has been his history at the TDF. Really strange.
 
PPAR-delta said:
Tonton said:
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
I don't know if it was true at this years Giro, but usually that bad day comes immediately after one of the rest days. At least that has been his history at the TDF. Really strange.
Yes, it happened in 2014 at the TDF, but he only lost 3 minutes or so on the bad day and recovered enough to gut out a top 5. But in 2015 I think he peaked too early, pushing Froome in the Dauphine and turning himself inside/out coming into the second rest day at the TDF. I think he went too deep in the 2nd week, and during the rest day his body just went into shut-down mode. My armchair theory, anyway. Worth less than 2 cents. :eek:
 
JosephK said:
PPAR-delta said:
Tonton said:
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
I don't know if it was true at this years Giro, but usually that bad day comes immediately after one of the rest days. At least that has been his history at the TDF. Really strange.
Yes, it happened in 2014 at the TDF, but he only lost 3 minutes or so on the bad day and recovered enough to gut out a top 5. But in 2015 I think he peaked too early, pushing Froome in the Dauphine and turning himself inside/out coming into the second rest day at the TDF. I think he went too deep in the 2nd week, and during the rest day his body just went into shut-down mode. My armchair theory, anyway. Worth less than 2 cents. :eek:
It happens to him a lot. I have seen it happen to other riders as well. The ones that struggle after the rest day usually have repeat performances of the same problem. Not sure why. Some riders do a few hours training on the rest day and some only do 30 minutes. Years ago a lot of riders did nothing just rested.
 
movingtarget said:
JosephK said:
PPAR-delta said:
Tonton said:
The only way for Tejay to have some leverage in a contract discussion is to top-10 this Vuelta, IMO. But recent history suggests that he will have (at least) one bad day, lose ten minutes or more...with him and Porte, it's like watching a Nascar race...you know the accident is coming. I hate to come across so negative, but unfortunately, this is where he's at :eek: .
I don't know if it was true at this years Giro, but usually that bad day comes immediately after one of the rest days. At least that has been his history at the TDF. Really strange.
Yes, it happened in 2014 at the TDF, but he only lost 3 minutes or so on the bad day and recovered enough to gut out a top 5. But in 2015 I think he peaked too early, pushing Froome in the Dauphine and turning himself inside/out coming into the second rest day at the TDF. I think he went too deep in the 2nd week, and during the rest day his body just went into shut-down mode. My armchair theory, anyway. Worth less than 2 cents. :eek:
It happens to him a lot. I have seen it happen to other riders as well. The ones that struggle after the rest day usually have repeat performances of the same problem. Not sure why. Some riders do a few hours training on the rest day and some only do 30 minutes. Years ago a lot of riders did nothing just rested.
It depends on the rider and their body

BUt its mostly a mental thing I think than a physical thing ...shutting down
 
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ice&fire said:
Barely lost 8s in the first murito of the week. Better than expected. He should be able to hang up with the best tomorrow in Garbí. Waiting for Xorret de Catí and Cumbre del Sol.

TJ can do very well in 1st week /10 days of a GT .....it later that has been the problem in the last few years
 
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
Yes, longer climbs at altitude that lack those super steep ramps should actually be better for him, I just hope for him that the team has a capable DS in the teamcar to remind him to ride at his own pace instead of trying to follow Froome's attacks, but it's BMC so they'll probably tell him to respond to every one of his attacks. :eek:
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
Is TJVG not progressing or is the competition just on a significantly higher level than back in 2012? Or both?

I think he has progressed in my humble opinion but I never thought it was for sure that he would ever step up to the elite tier.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
Valv.Piti said:
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
Yes, longer climbs at altitude that lack those super steep ramps should actually be better for him, I just hope for him that the team has a capable DS in the teamcar to remind him to ride at his own pace instead of trying to follow Froome's attacks, but it's BMC so they'll probably tell him to respond to every one of his attacks. :eek:
...or it's Tejay feeling that he has something to prove and blow himself up.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
Well Bardet and Aru did the Tour as did Froome and Contador. He should be doing well after not riding the Tour. Maybe his Giro stage win has woken him up ? Anyone who can top five the Tour should be doing well enough. Once he dropped that huge amount of time in the Giro and went for breaks, the pressure was off and he won a good victory. So far he looks good.
 
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movingtarget said:
Valv.Piti said:
Rest assured this rider will lose heaps of time, the question is where. The grinding Andalucian stage might actually suit him a lot more than this kinda racing, maybe he will wait until week 3 this time around? Either way he has looked impressive so far, he must be proud finally showing something after god knows how long for a rider with the potential he showed earlier.
Well Bardet and Aru did the Tour as did Froome and Contador. He should be doing well after not riding the Tour. Maybe his Giro stage win has woken him up ? Anyone who can top five the Tour should be doing well enough. Once he dropped that huge amount of time in the Giro and went for breaks, the pressure was off and he won a good victory. So far he looks good.
Except for crashing twice in the last 40k.
 

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