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I don't understand you. Firstly you say it's sure as hell mental state (because coping with pressure is thing of mental state, not legs), now you say it can be physical thing as well... So, as it turns out, worthless opinion was it.Dr. Watson said:Kokoso said:Are you close to him somehow, or is that just uninformed, worthless opinion?Dr. Watson said:Valv.Piti said:Do you think there is a psychical problem, Doc, or is it all mentally?Dr. Watson said:seems like he puts way too much pressure on himself, it must be in the head, I dont see any winning spirit in him
Im not his psychiatrist but sure as hell seems to me guy has some issues with the pressure and cannot cope with responsibility.
Well its either bad legs, bad mental state or both so you can choose what you want
I pick different; you are talking nonsense. "Clever" talk behind keyoard. You know nothing. He might ill for example.lenric said:Kokoso said:How do you know? Do you know him?lenric said:He's mentally weak
It's fairly obvious. Unless to someone who's socially inept, doesn't leave his/her home or is closely related to him and doesn't want to admit it. Pick whatever you want.
Kokoso said:I pick different; you are talking nonsense. "Clever" talk behind keyoard. You know nothing. He might ill for example.lenric said:Kokoso said:How do you know? Do you know him?lenric said:He's mentally weak
It's fairly obvious. Unless to someone who's socially inept, doesn't leave his/her home or is closely related to him and doesn't want to admit it. Pick whatever you want.
VN: Are you suffering from an illness or any physical problem?
TVG: I don’t really want to make excuses. Every time I try to make an explanation, everyone says, oh, he’s just making more excuses. It’s a lose-lose situation; if I try to give an explanation, then it’s an excuse, and if I don’t, then people don’t accept that, either. Right now, my body is just kind of failing. I don’t know why — I did feel a little bit of a heat stroke on the day before Blockhaus, but I was able to dump some water over my head. I ate and drank, and I felt like I dodged a bullet. Since then, I feel like I can’t really get into the red. That’s the only explanation I can come up with. I don’t know …
Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/05/giro-ditalia/van-garderen-maybe-not-grand-tour-rider_438724#sjgt1B3T6WSRiHf8.99
It’s really confusing, frustrating. I know what people are probably saying about me — I don’t even look at cycling websites anymore, and I deleted my social media accounts — I know what people are saying.
Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/05/giro-ditalia/van-garderen-maybe-not-grand-tour-rider_438724#sjgt1B3T6WSRiHf8.99
:lol:SeriousSam said:TJ and Betancur make an interesting comparison in how the audience's sympathy when there's failure depends on its causes.
ice&fire said:This is on the way to become the sister thread of Betancur's
TJVG is by no means my favourite rider - again you are being "clever", but you are totalliy wrong. I just stand for anyone who is unfairly bashed by keyboard heroes like you are. You act like a je*k and "touchy touchy" and "dude" doesn't make it better.lenric said:Kokoso said:I pick different; you are talking nonsense. "Clever" talk behind keyoard. You know nothing. He might ill for example.lenric said:Kokoso said:How do you know? Do you know him?lenric said:He's mentally weak
It's fairly obvious. Unless to someone who's socially inept, doesn't leave his/her home or is closely related to him and doesn't want to admit it. Pick whatever you want.
Edit: talking about arrogance, inspect yourself first before you begin lecture someone else.
Someone got touchy touchy about his boy...
Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Oliver said:Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Gesink is even worse. He can't even compete against the field in Californië.
It was so obvious TJ would fail this Giro. He just need to focus on 1 week stage rides otherwise he well end up like Van Den Broeck.
Oliver said:Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Gesink is even worse. He can't even compete against the field in Californië.
It was so obvious TJ would fail this Giro. He just need to focus on 1 week stage rides otherwise he well end up like Van Den Broeck.
Ikbengodniet said:Oliver said:Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Gesink is even worse. He can't even compete against the field in Californië.
It was so obvious TJ would fail this Giro. He just need to focus on 1 week stage rides otherwise he well end up like Van Den Broeck.
That's because he doesn't care about California, but I'm sure he will be on the attack in July.
DanielSong39 said:Oliver said:Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Gesink is even worse. He can't even compete against the field in Californië.
It was so obvious TJ would fail this Giro. He just need to focus on 1 week stage rides otherwise he well end up like Van Den Broeck.
Actually Jurgen Van den Broeck has had a nice career; Tejay would be hard-pressed to match that no matter what he focuses on.
DanielSong39 said:Oliver said:Ikbengodniet said:He should take the same path Gesink has done. Just enjoy life and cycling again and go stagehunting. He will never win or podium a GT so must not put himself in that position again, because the failure after failure will only hurt.
Gesink is even worse. He can't even compete against the field in Californië.
It was so obvious TJ would fail this Giro. He just need to focus on 1 week stage rides otherwise he well end up like Van Den Broeck.
Actually Jurgen Van den Broeck has had a nice career; Tejay would be hard-pressed to match that no matter what he focuses on.
Netserk said:Is there a tl;dr somewhere?
DanielSong39 said:His performance in 1-week stage races are actually pretty decent.
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Why? Because Tejay's issue was clear in 2014. It's physical. He lost far too much weight to compete as a climber, sacrificing some of his ITT power and now, when the races get to 10+ days, his body can't handle it. Oh, yes, the rivals can.
Galic Ho said:Netserk said:Is there a tl;dr somewhere?
Looking at his last 3 years in GT's, it's been horrible to witness.
That will mentally impact anyone.
He's in some form of denial. So are the team. Yes, they're loyal. Loyal but very dumb.
Meanwhile GvA is winning a lot of races, many he shouldn't.
Tejay in 2012 had more promise than him.
This all started when he rode his first Tour and did really well.
Someone said drop some weight...you'll compete. That he did.
Problems arise when the body gets pushed below is natural weight level. Many of these boys are already naturally thin. Many get too thin to compete. Long term competition.
Get a Dr...no, look at what's actually happening. A doctor cannot sign off on nutrition. They're not within scope of practice. A dietitian, namely a good sports one needs to address his energy issues. His body is clearly not providing enough energy via it's energy pathways (krebs cycle) to fuel his body. Heck, there is a forum member here named after his problem!
This needs to be solved in the off season. Fixing it mid season won't work. Gosh I hope they don't take him to the Tour. It should have been fixed last year! Tejay and BMC said beginning of 2016 it was! So, in essence, they either deceived themselves or have been lying. I believe it's the former. Deceived.
As for the crap way BMC ride...I'll laugh at that all day long. Rarely take a turn, but love getting the spotlight. So, yes, I do think given the way the team react and have talked, that they do open themselves up for comments like lenrics.
OVER HYPED. The whole team has been. This is called reaping what they sowed. Lance should have warned Tejay...
That wouldn't surprise me one bit. Kristoff was definitely not impressed with the team during his tenure there, and they aren't exactly known for getting the best out of their riders.movingtarget said:Have you looked at some of the other GC riders that do get results ? They are thinner than TJVG. I doubt that it's simply weight loss and that doesn't explain why he can compete in one week races and not three week races. A team like BMC who is paying TJVG a good salary would have looked into nutrition, blood values, viruses, basically everything. I refuse to believe that the team is that clueless in running tests and looking for answers for one of their highest paid riders. Nutrition would be one of the basics along with training and recovery.