Tennis

[Cauberg]

Different station then. Heard about Ruedski, but McEnroe?

 

[Cauberg]

Found it. Forget I asked.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Different station then. Heard about Ruedski, but McEnroe?

Used Corticosteroids, not sure if they were prescribed or with a TUE. His jealous psycho ex-wife blew off about them in a big way. I'd hardly think of McEnroe as a doper.

Ruskedski probably took all sorts of 5hit and is a fully fledged doper.

Ivan Lendl and Michael Chang were long term clients of Victor Conte in the BALCO days according to him so are also likely long term dopers.

 

[buckle]

Used Corticosteroids, not sure if they were prescribed or with a TUE. His jealous psycho ex-wife blew off about them in a big way. I'd hardly think of McEnroe as a doper.

Ruskedski probably took all sorts of 5hit and is a fully fledged doper.

Ivan Lendl and Michael Chang were long term clients of Victor Conte in the BALCO days according to him so are also likely long term dopers.

I'd like to think Mack was clean - I salute you for the correction. Arthur Ashe said Mack was notoriously unfit which is reassuring for some reason.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I'd like to think Mack was clean - I salute you for the correction. Arthur Ashe said Mack was notoriously unfit which is reassuring for some reason.

Thin as a rail.

 

[the sceptic]

Watching this Nadal-Djokovic match

Djokovic looks very human i would say. Not on 2011 level at least.

Meanwhile Nadal looks like he got that 2010 serve back. Im going to bet a lot of money on Nadal winning US Open

 

[Bicycle]

I thought Nadal's knees couldn't stand hardcourts any more? He's not lost a match on the surface this year.

 

[sniper]

Watching this Nadal-Djokovic match

Djokovic looks very human i would say. Not on 2011 level at least.

Meanwhile Nadal looks like he got that 2010 serve back. Im going to bet a lot of money on Nadal winning US Open

Nadal is the saddest thing that has ever happened to the game.

 

[victorschipolrijk]

Nadal is the saddest thing that has ever happened to the game.

Really?? Why????

I thought Novak Dopovic and Roger PEDerer were the biggest disgrace.

 

[The Hitch]

Watching this Nadal-Djokovic match

Djokovic looks very human i would say. Not on 2011 level at least.

Meanwhile Nadal looks like he got that 2010 serve back. Im going to bet a lot of money on Nadal winning US Open

Nah. Nadals odds will be low, and Murray Djokovic and del potro can all bring it.

 

[sniper]

Really?? Why????

I thought Novak Dopovic and Roger PEDerer were the biggest disgrace.

nadal changed the game.
took juicing to a new level and deprived the game of its traditional gentlemanship.

 

[Bicycle]

There's never been anything in sports like Nadal's knees. An excuse for every defeat, a reason to take months off (coming back better than ever). Yet surgery is not an option, it appears.

 

[the sceptic]

Nadal is hillarious. Takes 7 months off to fix his knees, comes right back and wins everything on clay, then suddenly he is completely useless at wimbledon before now showing up with a much improved serve and more power. Just in time to dominate the hard court season. What a miracle

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Really?? Why????

I thought Novak Dopovic and Roger PEDerer were the biggest disgrace.

Roger Pederer? Seriously? The guy can't break 130 on his serve and has stamina issues. He can't be compared to Nadal in any way shape or form.

 

[iejeecee]

Roger Pederer? Seriously? The guy can't break 130 on his serve and has stamina issues. He can't be compared to Nadal in any way shape or form.

what are you talking about?

Federer made at least the semi finals for 2493847584930 grands slams in a row. If that isn't stamina, I don't know what is.

He is also never injured ever.

Finally I remember him not even sweating after the the "so called" best (and longest) wimbledon final ever when he lost to Nadal in 2008 after 4 hours and 48 minutes.

The guy is just as bad as the rest of the top players.

 

[sniper]

what are you talking about?

Federer made at least the semi finals for 2493847584930 grands slams in a row. If that isn't stamina, I don't know what is.

He is also never injured ever.

Finally I remember him not even sweating after the the "so called" best (and longest) wimbledon final ever when he lost to Nadal in 2008 after 4 hours and 48 minutes.

The guy is just as bad as the rest of the top players.

nobody argues against federer being a doper.
just a much less obvious one than nadal, murray and djoker.
especially nadal and murray look like 100m sprinters, so muscular.
and the stamina of those three guys makes federer look like an old man, you gotta admit.

federer takes oxygenvector doping, sure, and possibly other recovery supplements from the PED list, but he aint on the roids or on HGH as obvious as nadal and murray are.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Silent Ban

saw on a tennis forum that Tsonga is on a silent ban. That would add up after his 'injury' withdrawal from Wimbledon.

Cilic proved that the 'injury' is the 'silent ban' indicator.

 

[blackcat]

federer takes oxygenvector doping, sure, and possibly other recovery supplements from the PED list, but he aint on the roids or on HGH as obvious as nadal and murray are.

Fed's bones in his head have thickened too.

its a pity. i would have hoped his foot movement, and shot making, would have been more advantageous, in a clean "peleton". he would not have won as many majors, because it would have been more crapshoot with variables over a 2 week GT, see: Slam.

but i think Feds shotmaking would have won him fans, and a similar position, or superior, to Sampras.

now for the spotlight on Sampras?

 

[iejeecee]

nobody argues against federer being a doper.
just a much less obvious one than nadal, murray and djoker.
especially nadal and murray look like 100m sprinters, so muscular.
and the stamina of those three guys makes federer look like an old man, you gotta admit.

federer takes oxygenvector doping, sure, and possibly other recovery supplements from the PED list, but he aint on the roids or on HGH as obvious as nadal and murray are.

In sporting terms Federer is a old man compared to the others in the top 4. If he'd lost five or six years of wear and tear he'd be slugging it out with the best of them. It's just that his play style allows him to keep the points short, which enables him at a relative old age to still stay competitive.

And on the way people look. I'm not sure if that is a good indication of the type and amount of drugs they take. Most cyclist don't look like 100m sprinters, but that doesn't mean they don't load up on every drug know to man including steroids.

 

[victorschipolrijk]

nadal changed the game.
took juicing to a new level and deprived the game of its traditional gentlemanship.

Juicing?? What in your opinion Nadal does?

Regarding depriving the game of its traditional gentlemanship, you mean gentlemanship like Nastase, if Nastase is not good enough for you I'll throw in Connors, was Connors a great example of gentlemanship?

If you don't like Connors, I'll give another one, what do you think of John McEnroe? Johnny Mac the epitome of gentlemanship.

I'm just going through ex #1s , do you think Ivan Lendl was a gent?

What about Marcelo Rios?

Really sniper, I wonder if you have watched tennis beyond the last 2 years.

 

[victorschipolrijk]

Watching this Nadal-Djokovic match

Djokovic looks very human i would say. Not on 2011 level at least.

Meanwhile Nadal looks like he got that 2010 serve back. Im going to bet a lot of money on Nadal winning US Open

You got that right, since ITF decided to implement the BP, it has been conducting so many tests, that you can see people has slow down doping.

Nadal during the 7 months he was disabled, got 9 times visited by the testers.

I am sure more people got more visits than usual, and not only urine but also blood.

As a result, you can see that people that they were not sweating, like Federer or Djokovic, all of a sudden they are sweating again, and they are back to more human levels.

All the top 4 have come down a level or two, that is very easy to see.

Nadal beat Djokovic, but he did not play the kind of game he was playing back in 2008 (except for serving, an area he has improved dramatically during the last 3 years) but his ground game that always has been his bread and butter is not even close to 2008 level, he made 36 UEs, 36!! that is 12 per set, Nadal's numbers used to be 3 or 4 per set, now he triples up his past average and still wins, and that is possible because Dopovic has to slow down, Dopovic will be back to his old self, and if tennis becomes cleaner (not clean, but cleaner) the ones that will benefit most are Murray, Del Potro and Nadal, because they are naturally fitter than Federer or Djokovic.

 

[sniper]

In sporting terms Federer is a old man compared to the others in the top 4. If he'd lost five or six years of wear and tear he'd be slugging it out with the best of them. It's just that his play style allows him to keep the points short, which enables him at a relative old age to still stay competitive.

And on the way people look. I'm not sure if that is a good indication of the type and amount of drugs they take. Most cyclist don't look like 100m sprinters, but that doesn't mean they don't load up on every drug know to man including steroids.

So you agree I he is less obvious a doper than the likes of Nadal Murray. Everybody with tWo eyes knows that Nadal Murray and Djoker have changed the game in a very physical way. Nobody ever said that of Federer even though his footwOrk IS of course 2nd to none.
Federer will go in the history booKs asthe best player ever. Nadal perhaps as the best athlete, or as the biggest doper.

 

[the sceptic]

Juicing?? What in your opinion Nadal does?

Regarding depriving the game of its traditional gentlemanship, you mean gentlemanship like Nastase, if Nastase is not good enough for you I'll throw in Connors, was Connors a great example of gentlemanship?

If you don't like Connors, I'll give another one, what do you think of John McEnroe? Johnny Mac the epitome of gentlemanship.

I'm just going through ex #1s , do you think Ivan Lendl was a gent?

What about Marcelo Rios?

Really sniper, I wonder if you have watched tennis beyond the last 2 years.

Nadal is so obvious. If you think he is clean you should just stop posting. Why do you think he always gets "injured" at certain points of the season and then comes back stronger than ever? Always "peaking" in 2nd weeks of the slams. Being the must muscular guy on the tour, yet he can run around for 7 hours without getting tired. That just doesnt make any sense. It shouldnt be possible for Nadal to have better stamina than skinnier players.

 

[blackcat]

You got that right, since ITF decided to implement the BP, it has been conducting so many tests, that you can see people has slow down doping.

Nadal during the 7 months he was disabled, got 9 times visited by the testers.

I am sure more people got more visits than usual, and not only urine but also blood.

As a result, you can see that people that they were not sweating, like Federer or Djokovic, all of a sudden they are sweating again, and they are back to more human levels.

All the top 4 have come down a level or two, that is very easy to see.

Nadal beat Djokovic, but he did not play the kind of game he was playing back in 2008 (except for serving, an area he has improved dramatically during the last 3 years) but his ground game that always has been his bread and butter is not even close to 2008 level, he made 36 UEs, 36!! that is 12 per set, Nadal's numbers used to be 3 or 4 per set, now he triples up his past average and still wins, and that is possible because Dopovic has to slow down, Dopovic will be back to his old self, and if tennis becomes cleaner (not clean, but cleaner) the ones that will benefit most are Murray, Del Potro and Nadal, because they are naturally fitter than Federer or Djokovic.

depending on how he is going, and i assume his elbow, uncle toni (lolz) decides when to flatten out the serve. before, never really needed to flatten it out, cos he was playing table tennis to get the point started. i supposed he always could have, but before nole got on a roll, he never had the need to use another asset. not that one could ever call his flattened out service an asset, but it can win him a few free points over 3 sets

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I remember in his soigneur's book he said Riis had a Haematocrit of 66 during the 1996 tour. I wouldn't be surprised to hear if Nadal had something similar at points in his career.