Tennis

[sniper]

Good read about the match and other things
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/01/what-if/53846/#.VMgCRGisV8G

cheers.

lol, i wonder is there footage of Nadal taking that pill.
does explain why he recovered somewhat in the third set.

 

[robow7]

The Bird man played some terrific tennis last nite, he's a guy who has always had the tools but not always the head and often folds like a cheap card table. Often times his forehand goes off the rails but last night he made fewer errors, ran around the backhand to smack some wonderful inside out winners, showing some decent footwork for once.

Nadal didn't seem quite as fast and didn't cover as much court as usual and he was probably waiting for Berd to come back down to earth just like he always has the previous 17 times in a row that Nadal had beaten him.

 

[Andynonomous]

I just watched the Nadal/Berdych match on replay.

- Berdych played well, but was not blowing Nadal off the court, like Wawrinka did last year.

- Nadal had significantly less than his usual physicality. He was slower than normal, and his serve and groundstrokes were weaker than normal.

- Nadal got some "medicine" at the start of the third set. He played with more energy after that (although still not at his usual level). I suspect some sort of stimulant.

- Nadal was clearly getting illegal coaching from Uncle Toni. He was seen having long discussions towards his "box".

- Nadal was clearly trying to upset Berdych in the third set, by holding up Berdych's serve. It didn't work.


I suspect that because Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 times in a row, Toni didn't have Nadal fully "prepared". The final against Djokovic is probably where Toni's focus was.

 

[peloton]

I just watched the Nadal/Berdych match on replay.

- Berdych played well, but was not blowing Nadal off the court, like Wawrinka did last year.

- Nadal had significantly less than his usual physicality. He was slower than normal, and his serve and groundstrokes were weaker than normal.

- Nadal got some "medicine" at the start of the third set. He played with more energy after that (although still not at his usual level). I suspect some sort of stimulant.

- Nadal was clearly getting illegal coaching from Uncle Toni. He was seen having long discussions towards his "box".

- Nadal was clearly trying to upset Berdych in the third set, by holding up Berdych's serve. It didn't work.


I suspect that because Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 times in a row, Toni didn't have Nadal fully "prepared". The final against Djokovic is probably where Toni's focus was.

Or he is after all a human being and tired after his shaky comeback? Can't be possible...

Makes no sense why Uncle Toni didn't prepare him to actually make it to the final, go figure.

 

[Andynonomous]

Or he is after all a human being and tired after his shaky comeback? Can't be possible...

Makes no sense why Uncle Toni didn't prepare him to actually make it to the final, go figure.

I never said "Uncle Toni didn't prepare him to actually make it to the final".

Doping works best when you peak ("cycling up") for the day you need it most. Toni may have taken a calculated risk that Rafa could get past Berdych without his best stuff (Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 times in a row). This strategy leaves more upside for the semi and final.

 

[blackcat]

about 5 years ago, he had some tendon injury, might have been a shoulder, and was out for about 5 months late in the year and the northern hemisphere winter.

came to the australian open about 10lbs lighter, visibiliy much much less muscular.

could have have been a late season ban that was kept under wraps.

Had a shocking tourney, in the Aus Open circa 2010/2011. Could have been one year either way, p'raps 2012

 

[blackcat]

I never said "Uncle Toni didn't prepare him to actually make it to the final".

Doping works best when you peak ("cycling up") for the day you need it most. Toni may have taken a calculated risk that Rafa could get past Berdych without his best stuff (Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 times in a row). This strategy leaves more upside for the semi and final.

i doubt they are that stupid to bring drugs even on a private plane like lance did.

testo patches? nah, why bother. the new peptides that pique your gene/pituitary to stimulate ENDOGENOUS testo and hgh do a better job, and they will level out the numbers so they wont look funny in tests. Your blood and oxygen numbers should be elevated before you travel to Aus, and maybe some epo in your blood for legacy/lagging retic creation. myocera became easier to test for.

I dont think he would do the major recovery doping at Wimbledon or US Open or Australian Open. IF he does any major recovery doping, p'raps might be at Rolan Garros at French Open on the clay.

Most of the doping is done in training and to build new thresholds.

Gil Reyes (Agassi's "trainer") and Darren Cahill (Hewitts old coach) often train Adidas athletes in Vegas in the off-season, and they come to the Aus Open with new "vigour". I remember Fernando Fernandez (anna ivanovic former squeeze) come down to Australia and go ddeeeeep in the tourney, either final, or semi-final. all after the Gil Reye's training and special Texas bbq hot sauce.

another, who I dont know who alligned with rereparatore, is the greek cypriot Marcos Baghdatis. He is usually flyyyying like Charlie Sheen on meta charlie eponymous blow

 

[blackcat]

lets name the players who have done the peptides weightloss regimen so extreme examples seen in Froome, Wiggins, Horner, less so in Nibali, who is still much leaner and peptides either lipotropin or AOD.


Anna Ivanovic about 3 yrs back.
Djokovic about 4 years back too. Guess what, they share their Serbian nationality!
The
Milos Raonic, the Canadian, of Serbian extraction too!

Nick Kyrgios is too lean, but I have not seen him lose the weight like the others.

French guy Tsonga lost the weight too.

it is not just "losing weight". It is TOO MUCH weight. It is rendering all non-functional tissue. So even a flat land sport like running or on an athletics field like tennis or soccer association football, their power to weight will go thru the roof, and their explosivity, because you maintain the functional red tissue (muscles you need) but you lose all this other tissue, non-functional tissue, red tissue, fat tissue.

There will be others, but the most glaring lean guys, who have leaned beyond normal, aka, NOT NORMAL, are Djokovic, Anna Ivanovic, Milos Raonic (tho he is still most muscular and hefty), Tsonga (see: Raonic, Jo Wilfred still built like a heavyweight). There will be others but these are just the ones I can see with my naked eye.

One has to ask, what is happening to the internal organ(s).

And this is how you can destroy the "diet/nutrition/training argument" or usually fanbois, empire crew, aplogists...

ceteris paribus. all things being equal.

everyone does the diet nutrition hard work training. ALL are pros. So you are saying, that just these few, have managed to render this tissue, doing the same as what they did, and the same as what everyone esle does, but have really not changed a thing. The diet and gluten free and food weighing, is all BS like Armstrong and Slipstream.

Like Clinton said, its in the blood numbers stupid. Its in the peptides stupid. Its in the pituitary stupid

 

[blackcat]

also, the canadian player, Eugenie Bouchard. lost considerable puppy fat, overnight. like milos raonic. too much to be just training. even a GT cyclist could not lose that weight so fast.

djokovic
raonic
ivanovic
tsonga
bouchard

 

[sittingbison]

hold your horses bc, ivanovic and Brouchard are too damn smokin' hot to be dopers

 

[Berzin]

testo patches? nah, why bother. the new peptides that pique your gene/pituitary to stimulate ENDOGENOUS testo and hgh do a better job, and they will level out the numbers so they wont look funny in tests.

Which peptides are these that do what you say they do?

 

[blackcat]

Which peptides are these that do what you say they do?

any GHRP, plus there are other testo stimulant peptides too.

I am not playing games. I am deadly serious

 

[blackcat]

hold your horses bc, ivanovic and Brouchard are too damn smokin' hot to be dopers

they were more attractive with their natural bodies and puppy fat.

I use the term pappy fat firmly cheek in jest (torture meta4)

or cheek in jowl




they were more attractive with a fuller face and body. their previous pro tennis player physique was still lean lithe and skinny compared to anyone off the street

 

[zebedee]

At least one paper not buying Nadal's post-match nonsense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...e-is-clearly-a-man-in-pain.html#disqus_thread

The mystery to me was that during the match there didn't appear to be any discernible injury that restricted his movement. Watching on live TV, it was as though he just wasn't trying. And then he came back to life briefly during the final set. Was that the effect of painkillers? Whatever it was, Berdych then started spraying errors around. He must have been shocked by the sight of a dead body coming back to life.

 

[peloton]

I never said "Uncle Toni didn't prepare him to actually make it to the final".

Doping works best when you peak ("cycling up") for the day you need it most. Toni may have taken a calculated risk that Rafa could get past Berdych without his best stuff (Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 times in a row). This strategy leaves more upside for the semi and final.

So Uncle Toni doped him to get that far but didn't bother with Berdych, who's been playing his career best tennis so far in AO?
Hysterical.

"01-23-15, 18:55
Andynonomous
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bicycle View Post
Nadal's "form" seems to be building up nicely.
He always plays better, the second week of slams (when you play the better players). At 2011 Wimbledon, his serve speed kept going up as he went through the tournament, peaking in the final.

I am certain, Uncle Toni increases the doses of EPO, and Testosterone, depending on the quality of his opponent."

 

[Andynonomous]

A Nadal fan using strawmen (claiming I said Nadal used NO dope against Berdych).
"So Uncle Toni doped him to get that far but didn't bother with Berdych,"

Big surprise.

 

[peloton]

A Nadal fan using strawmen. Big surprise.

Rafa is cleans.

 

[Ticker]

Rafa is cleans.

Poor you believing everything Uncle Toni tells you.

 

[sniper]

Rafa is cleans.

doping made him go backwards, so he stopped.

 

[sniper]

berdych choking.
let's see if he can take the tiebreaker.

murray strikes me as the better athlete and perhaps allround slightly more complete player, but berdych can hit more winners with serve and forehand and has a very good volley also.

both cleans of course.

 

[bewildered]

LOL at Bouchard and Ivanovic being doped, based on weight loss. Genuine LOL at that.

Nadal's history of not being 'prepared' for matches and blaming a new injury once he realises it continues

 

[blackcat]

LOL at Bouchard and Ivanovic being doped, based on weight loss. Genuine LOL at that.

Nadal's history of not being 'prepared' for matches and blaming a new injury once he realises it continues

did you see how lean they were? all commentators mentioned it.

mostly ana ivanovic.

see her 9 years back when she came on Tour. very soft pudgy puppy fat body. And she had been training all her life. No good to qualify "oh, but she ramped up her training". BS, she was a pro, and trained all her life to be a pro. Nothing changed. Evcept a lipotropin like Froome and Horner and Wiggins. And Genie has been on the same sh!t too.


no no no no no, tennis players dont dope. Djokovic is natually so lean and so thin. Clean. Had gluten intolerance. Like Slipstream. Gluten free. Gluten free ftw

 

[blackcat]

At least one paper not buying Nadal's post-match nonsense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...e-is-clearly-a-man-in-pain.html#disqus_thread

The mystery to me was that during the match there didn't appear to be any discernible injury that restricted his movement. Watching on live TV, it was as though he just wasn't trying. And then he came back to life briefly during the final set. Was that the effect of painkillers? Whatever it was, Berdych then started spraying errors around. He must have been shocked by the sight of a dead body coming back to life.

isnt this conspiracy/hyperbole and confirmation bias.

Why does Rafa need to take an upper or amphetamines at a bathroom break. We know he is doping already, and overtly cheating when he takes strategic bathroom breaks.

or or or, is this the only way where journalists can give a veiled allegation to the doping, they talk about other things apart from the doping, but are using this $hit as a cipher/metaphor to really talk about his other doping ???

 

[zebedee]

Conspiracy? I don't know. I watched a weird match where Nadal simply did not try and, moreover, didn't bother much to hide his lack of effort. I saw no obvious cause either for this. As Sniper suggested, Nadal effectively tanked. Following that, he then spouted a load of baloney in the post-match presser, where he was self-evidently dissembling as the Telegraph man pointed out.

I offer no explanation. I assume the pills he took were painkillers but how would I know one way or the other? To me, the whole thing has a touch of the absurd about it. Not normal.

 

[blackcat]

Conspiracy? I don't know. I watched a weird match where Nadal simply did not try and, moreover, didn't bother much to hide his lack of effort. I saw no obvious cause either for this. As Sniper suggested, Nadal effectively tanked. Following that, he then spouted a load of baloney in the post-match presser, where he was self-evidently dissembling as the Telegraph man pointed out.

I offer no explanation. I assume the pills he took were painkillers but how would I know one way or the other? To me, the whole thing has a touch of the absurd about it. Not normal.

ok, I take this post in good faith and it made my previous reply nigh invalid


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