Tennis

[sniper]

Daniel Koellerer?

cheerio!
that was him.

?Let?s take Rafael Nadal. It?s not possible that he tested negative. After being seven months away from competition with an injury, to come back and win 10 out of 13 tournaments? it?s impossible. Impossible! That says it all. This combines to the rumours of fake injuries to mask silent bans. Look, no one believes the tales that he?s not taking anything! Imagine what the news of him testing positive would mean for tennis.?

http://www.runningforehand.com/2013...-on-nadal-and-leads-to-even-more-questioning/

 

[blackcat]

Serving silent bans is still costly. Nadal has tens of millions and there is no reason he doesn't use designer drugs. They cost nothing for someone with his bank roll.

Yes, when I was saying not incentive compatible that's what I was referring to. I still don't get it. WADA officials would not condone some sport body just not punishing an athlete but they are ok with silent bans? That seems very unlikely to me. That serves absolutely no one's interests. Not the athletes': No ban is preferable. Not the sporting body: No ban is preferable. Not Wada: Either they don't give a **** about doping, then no ban + bribe is preferable, or they do, then silent bans are unacceptable.

and Marion Bartoli then played a little on that professional circuit World Team Tennis for the Austin Aces. I knew nothing of this league. Not the type of gig she would take up if her body had thrown in the job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_TeamTennis

 

[The Hitch]

An ex-head of the Spanish tennis federation has attested to the ATP practice of doing this

That is interesting. You have more info?

 

[robow7]

Also I don't get how someone like Nadal would fail a doping test in tennis's weak testing system to begin with.

It's easy, some lab person mistakes Nadal for Nadif, and bingo, they figure they can nail the #2169 player in the world with a positive. I always figured that's why Jorge Nadal went inactive, probably should have changed his last name when entering the ATP.

 

[The Hitch]

Behold the meltdown of that fangirl Bette.

Yeah. Though usually 99% of posters i find on other forums/ comment sections behave that way.

Funny thing is he/she actually believes Djoker dopes using sound logic (essentially similar to the one against Nadal) but ignores it for Nadal. Reminds me of all the Evans fans that used to come here every july to argue everyone but cadel doped.

Edit: also later in the thread C Roelant says that he doesn't think Nadal is on ped's now. That goes against most of what we know about tennis. This bit really lets him down

I don't think they're on PED now, pretty sure the tests are thorough enough

The guy seems to be friends with many of the pros. This feels to me kind of like when Pirlo said that Barcelona never doped but the 2002 Deportivo La Coruna squad did.

 

[Archibald]

It's easy, some lab person mistakes Nadal for Nadif, and bingo, they figure they can nail the #2169 player in the world with a positive. I always figured that's why Jorge Nadal went inactive, probably should have changed his last name when entering the ATP.

labs only have sample numbers, no? not names - or is it different for tennis?

 

[zebedee]

That is interesting. You have more info?

Pedro Munoz, ex-head of Spanish tennis, made the remarks:-

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-seen-hurting-tennis-as-cilic-feigns-injury

For those interested in the topic of silent bans in tennis:-

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Doping,-Tennis,-Nadal---Connection-.aspx

I forgot about the Peter Korda case. That was hushed up too.

 

[zebedee]

Funny thing is he/she actually believes Djoker dopes using sound logic (essentially similar to the one against Nadal) but ignores it for Nadal. Reminds me of all the Evans fans that used to come here every july to argue everyone but cadel doped.

Bette typifies the tennis fanboy ultra, so rabidly extreme that he can't spot the failure of his own point (if you can call it that).

 

[Ticker]

Pedro Munoz, ex-head of Spanish tennis, made the remarks:-

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-seen-hurting-tennis-as-cilic-feigns-injury

For those interested in the topic of silent bans in tennis:-

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Doping,-Tennis,-Nadal---Connection-.aspx

I forgot about the Peter Korda case. That was hushed up too.

Jonas Bjorkman also mentioned that he had heard that the ITF covered up cases:

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/010899/LS0410.shtml


This was in 1999.

 

[SundayRider]

It's easy, some lab person mistakes Nadal for Nadif, and bingo, they figure they can nail the #2169 player in the world with a positive. I always figured that's why Jorge Nadal went inactive, probably should have changed his last name when entering the ATP.

Surely the sample has a number that is traced back to the Tournament/loaction that it is taken from

 

[robow7]

Surely the sample has a number that is traced back to the Tournament/loaction that it is taken from

Of course my comments were somewhat in jest and yes, samples should be numbered but I think it's not coincidence that the top 20 players never test positive but some lesser ranked no name is the one that gets nicked.

 

[SundayRider]

Of course my comments were somewhat in jest and yes, samples should be numbered but I think it's not coincidence that the top 20 players never test positive but some lesser ranked no name is the one that gets nicked.

Same as cycling then really, with some exceptions.

 

[sittingbison]

Korda: it was a mix up with female who was undergoing HRT
Korda: It was in Spanish beef

Cilic: Me mum made me do it (citing the Warne Defence)

Agassi: Someone ruffied my pinacolada

ITP Official (Miller): Other sports dope to gain increas in speed, power and endurance. Tennis only relies on technique (its all in the wrist) so it is by definition a clean sport

Sports Journo: Tennis is at the forefont of doping, they have a testing pool bla bla bla ....(ignoring the big fish in that pool are being tested about twice a year)

Sports Journo: TennisHasASteroidProblem blog is...(wait for it)...seditious

 

[blackcat]

Korda: it was a mix up with female who was undergoing HRT
Korda: It was in Spanish beef

Cilic: Me mum made me do it (citing the Warne Defence)

Agassi: Someone ruffied my pinacolada

ITP Official (Miller): Other sports dope to gain increas in speed, power and endurance. Tennis only relies on technique (its all in the wrist) so it is by definition a clean sport

Sports Journo: Tennis is at the forefont of doping, they have a testing pool bla bla bla ....(ignoring the big fish in that pool are being tested about twice a year)

Sports Journo: TennisHasASteroidProblem blog is...(wait for it)...seditious

richard gasquet and martina hingis french kissed each other and so they got a cocaine positive!

greg ruzedski.

 

[robow7]

Speaking of Korda, you gotta love this. Can you imagine a cyclist asking for 17 year old drug testing results so as the runner up, he could achieve the win? Ha

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...arcelo-rios-asks-doping-check-petr-korda-1998

 

[Andynonomous]

Originally Posted by chico View Post

Tennis is the sport of skill. Without skill no amount of doping could help you.
Sports most tainted by doping are sports where no skill is required, just stamina, like Cycling, Track and Field, Weight Lifting, ski running, ... Completely different from tennis.

That is why I truly believe doping is not wide spread in tennis. Stamina is not the dominant deciding factor and will never be.



Originally Posted by chico View Post

Why do people discuss doping in cycling here. Cycling is completely different sport than tennis and there is no parallel to draw here at all. Doping is rampant in Cycling since this is sport that relies 100% on endurance and stamina and not on any skill at all. And this is know fact for decades.

Nothing to do with tennis though, so I am surprised that it is discussed here so much.



Originally Posted by chico View Post

What is misguided is comparing cycling and tennis. What is also inappropriate is attacking fellow posters in this manner, only because they do not agree with you and they might be right.

A bad way to try to promote your, in this case, clearly wrong opinion.

Nothing naive here though. Just malice. So please be nicer and indeed think a bit more before you post.


A typical tennis fan. Clearly someone that doesn't want to know the truth. Classical denial.

From Mens tennis forum.

 

[miguelsol]

Wayne Odesnik just got banned from tennis for 15 years, for his 2nd doping violation.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Wayne Odesnik banned for 15 years by ITF and USADA.
2nd offense following HGH possession charge in 2010.

Highest ever world ranking was #77

#smallfry

http://www.usada.org/decision-wayne-odesnik/

edit to add (fairly bland and useless) pdf file
http://www.itftennis.com/media/202437/202437.pdf

 

[Unsytherhino]

Career earnings of $1.155 million, doping pays.

 

[Catwhoorg]

And his best year was just before he got busted.

 

[the sceptic]

this proves the tests are working
he was lazy and wasn't willing to put in the hard work of other players
tennis is still clean at the top because they wouldn't risk doping
doping doesn't work, as proven by his mediocre rating

- tennis fans

 

[EddietheEagle]

Thank goodness for that. Tennis has finally got rid of the problem of performance enhancing drugs.

 

[robow7]

Murray has a couple nice comments as to those associated with the dark side deserve their just desserts. wonder if Nadal feels the same way?

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/12 ... -violation

 

[Catwhoorg]

IF he was notified of the December positive before the January one, then Murray is right that should be 2nd AND 3rd offenses, otherwise sadly its an aggravated 2nd.

Still life would have been on the table under the 2015 code, and maybe would have sent a stronger message (To whomever the message is for)

 

[EddietheEagle]

Why doesn't Murray speak out against those closer to home? Odesnik represents chickenfeed, easy pickings.