Tennis

[TMP402]

Boris Becker just explained why so many of the top players are nowadays over 30 as being down to "regeneration possibilities".

 

[Brullnux]

Serena Williams is an idiot. Testing her more is not discrimination, it's just expected. 'Equality in testing' is a stupid idea. People who win should ofc be tested more often than people who do not. And she's complaining about being tested 5 times in a month - that's the minimum she should expect. We complain about cycling but at least in cycling testing is more common, and froome doesn't compian about being tested.

 

[Red Rick]

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Serena Williams is an idiot. Testing her more is not discrimination, it's just expected. 'Equality in testing' is a stupid idea. People who win should ofc be tested more often than people who do not. And she's complaining about being tested 5 times in a month - that's the minimum she should expect. We complain about cycling but at least in cycling testing is more common, and froome doesn't compian about being tested.

Serena never does anything to better the image of the sport yet when she gets tested it's always because she's black.

 

[arcus]

How can Serena Williams claim not to understand why the most successful, exceptional performers in any sport are targeted with increased testing?

And making it about "discrimination"? Ridiculous.

 

[buckle]

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How can Serena Williams claim not to understand why the most successful, exceptional performers in any sport are targeted with increased testing?

And making it about "discrimination"? Ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/45028602

Yup Serena is off the sauce.

 

[Cycle Chic]

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Djokovic is visibly tired in his rallies - deffo off the juice

Djokovic back on the juice running around like the duracell battery rabbit again...defeating Federer convincingly.

 

[JosephK]

So Nadal pulls up lame in the U.S. Open semis, citing that old bugaboo, the patellar tendonitis. His knee has been deteriorating for, what, twelve years now? Any thoughts on this, or maybe he actually had a knee issue? Not sure what to believe.

Also, is it just coincidence, or is his hair starting to look like Valverde's?

 

[Parker]

About eight years ago I talked an expert in physiology who used tennis as an example as how technique can be important to longevity. He used tennis as an example. He said Federer's style was low impact and that he could play decently until he was 40, but Nadal would struggle to win after 30 because his knees would fail. He was right.

 

[El Pistolero]

About eight years ago I talked an expert in physiology who used tennis as an example as how technique can be important to longevity. He used tennis as an example. He said Federer's style was low impact and that he could play decently until he was 40, but Nadal would struggle to win after 30 because his knees would fail. He was right.

Few tennis players have won more Grand Slams than Nadal after they turned 30.

He was not right.

 

[Parker]

About eight years ago I talked an expert in physiology who used tennis as an example as how technique can be important to longevity. He used tennis as an example. He said Federer's style was low impact and that he could play decently until he was 40, but Nadal would struggle to win after 30 because his knees would fail. He was right.

Few tennis players have won more Grand Slams than Nadal after they turned 30.

He was not right.

He broke down in 2015-16. Then he returned. Was it because Djokovik and Murray declined? Maybe. Was it due to doping? Also maybe.


Tennis had three greats and one very good player all at the same time with little beneath them. That's not doping, it's just circumstance.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Yet another manifestation of her chemical imbalance:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-6146921/Serena-Williams-loses-rag-angry-outburst-umpire-Osaka-takes-Open-straight-sets.html

 

[spiROZE]

Yet another manifestation of her chemical imbalance:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-6146921/Serena-Williams-loses-rag-angry-outburst-umpire-Osaka-takes-Open-straight-sets.html

So you think that skinny persons never get mad?

 

[veganrob]

Yet another manifestation of her chemical imbalance:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-6146921/Serena-Williams-loses-rag-angry-outburst-umpire-Osaka-takes-Open-straight-sets.html

So you think that skinny persons never get mad?

Where was a skinny person ever mentioned. Nice straw man. Way to miss the point.

Hope you don't throw a tantrum now :lol:

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Sheer roid rage. That jaw would cut through rock.

 

[DanielSong39]

Certainly she behaved like she was on something, not sure it was performance-enhancing though. (Clearly not yesterday)

To be fair she has been cheated several times in the past (US Open vs. Capriati, French Open vs. Henin, phantom foot fault vs. Clijsters, clear winner called interference vs. Stosur) but yesterday did not seem to be one of those times.

 

[Red Rick]

About eight years ago I talked an expert in physiology who used tennis as an example as how technique can be important to longevity. He used tennis as an example. He said Federer's style was low impact and that he could play decently until he was 40, but Nadal would struggle to win after 30 because his knees would fail. He was right.

Few tennis players have won more Grand Slams than Nadal after they turned 30.

He was not right.

Nadal shot technique is pretty efficient too.

 

[Angliru]

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Certainly she behaved like she was on something, not sure it was performance-enhancing though. (Clearly not yesterday)

To be fair she has been cheated several times in the past (US Open vs. Capriati, French Open vs. Henin, phantom foot fault vs. Clijsters, clear winner called interference vs. Stosur) but yesterday did not seem to be one of those times.

She has a valid point. Even McEnroe agreed that he's said much worst and wasn't penalized for it everytime. She simply was outplayed. Her rage was a combination of the frustration over getting beat fairly convincingly in what she likely considers her home court considering her success there, plus the support she receives from the US Open fans and being penalized unfairly in her opinion.

 

[Angliru]

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Well I am happier to see muscle definition on female players - There are still a few who are out of shape, though this has improved in the last 5 years.

Sure but she's gone from being flabby of face and un-toned of body to being rather muscular over the course of perhaps six months, and most visibly over the last two months or so.

Well she is a professional athlete. It's in their best interest to compete in the best shape that they can achieve and being tone of body can only be a benefit to their success.

 

[Red Rick]

McEnroe would just insult people. Serena was just completely unhinged, accusing officials of corruption, etc.

 

[Angliru]

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McEnroe would just insult people. Serena was just completely unhinged, accusing officials of corruption, etc.

I believe McEnroe did it all. It was more than just insults. His act was a constant in virtually every big match.

 

[Merckx index]

A lot of tennis pros, male and female, have come out in support of Serena. Blake and Roddick both tweeted they’ve said far worse and not been penalized. Azarenka live-tweeted while this was going on, saying the penalty was BS and that it would never happen in a men’s match. Also, another male pro, forget who, said that if you watched the video, it was clear Serena was not paying any attention to her coach when he said he was trying to signal her.

Serena lost because she was outplayed. And she threw a tantrum because she knew she was being outplayed. There’s no way you can defend behavior like that. But the usual rule in sports is that when the stakes are high, in championships, you act conservatively in calling penalties. You don’t call that borderline pass interference when the Super Bowl may hinge on it; you don’t call a questionable foul at the end of a close NBA finals game. And this call was purely technical; even if she had been violating the rules, and even if other coaches and players didn’t get away with the same thing, it’s hard to argue it was really affecting the outcome of the match.

Also, racist cartoons don’t help:

https://sports.yahoo.com/australian-newspaper-prints-racist-cartoon-serena-williams-naomi-osaka-153447048.html

Shame on you, Herald Sun.

 

[Mamil]

How is the cartoon racist?

Mark Knight has drawn a black person who looks like a black person. How else was he supposed to draw her? Knight, like most cartoonists drawing real life figures for public consumption, exaggerates certain features of his subjects, so that it is obvious to his audience who he is depicting without requiring verbal cues. He has a long long history of drawing that way, and his drawing of Williams is completely in line with that style.

It's not racism, it's conventional cartooning method. It would only be racism if he were drawing certain features only to denigrate or make fun of them, which he obviously isn't.

 

[rick james]

how is that cartoon racists?



snowflake generation really are taking over

 

[QuickZulu]

The dodgy bit is that they have clearly whitened Osaka and made her a blonde-haired Caucasian woman, in juxtaposition to the dummy-spitting monster on the other side.

 

[Mamil]

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The dodgy bit is that they have clearly whitened Osaka and made her a blonde-haired Caucasian woman, in juxtaposition to the dummy-spitting monster on the other side.

There's a little bit of truth here. If you look closely at the cartoon you can see that Osaka's skin is actually a bit darker than the umpire's, and her hair is actually dyed dark blonde at the moment, so the depiction is not completely inaccurate. But I agree that she does look a little too Caucasian, creating a slightly awkward juxtaposition with Williams. But I'm comfortable that this was a mistake by Knight, rather than a deliberate contrast.

I've seen some people say that it's by definition racist, regardless of intent, to draw an African-American with features like fuller lips and a solid build, because of racist and stereotyped use of such features in the past, but if we were to accept that then it means that it is completely impossible to draw Williams with any degree of accuracy or recognisability without it being racist, which is absurd.