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miguelvazpinto said:I was the only one choosing Maxime Monfort. I hope he wins La Vuelta
I wanted too pick him, am just too worried he will be an overpaid waterboy at Frandyshack.
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LaFlorecita said:No, I'm not a fan because I've lost faith.
You lost faith in a good outcome of this case, is what you said. So did I, but what does that have to do with being a fan of him?
He'll be back just like Basso, Scarponi, Valverde, etc., etc. It's part of the game. There's no need to lose sleep over it. He'll be fine.
- May 15, 2011
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
If I even lose faith, who still has (except for maybe Alberto himself)
That's just what my problem is, I don't want it to go like with them. It feels like two years is so long and he'll lose two of his best years.
That's enough about it. I don't think the mods will appreciate me whining about this over here in this subforum.
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My team and amount picked. 13 and under are unique picks (<10%) so will be interesting how they go. Happy Koldo wasn't picked as much, with backing from Garmin I think he'll explode. Timofey was a fanboy pick but he has the potential to explode too. Surprised not a lot went on the Agostini bandwagon as well, but there are a lot of Italian neos. Don't think I'll win but around 20 again would be nice!
Those that almost made it onto the list:
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen (was in my team)*
BOLE Grega (was in my team)*
KREUZIGER Roman (was in my team)*
Last exclusions:
OSS Daniel
SEELDRAEYERS Kevin
KELDERMAN Wilco
ELISSONDE Kenny
Shortlist:
PORTE Richie
SEELDRAEYERS Kevin
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio
MARCZYNSKI Tomasz
IMPEY Daryl
ARGUELYES RODRIGES Arkimedes
EIJSSEN Yannick
[Few others I've scratched off shortlist eg Pozzato]
Neos:
FENN Andrew
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
NOVIKOV Nikita
MOSER Moreno
BARDET Romain
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
BOL Jetse
VAN DER SANDE Tosh
SINKELDAM Ramon
TRENTIN Matteo
PUCCIO Salvatore
ROWE Luke
MARKUS Barry
BENNETT George
LUDVIGSSON Tobias
DUMOULIN Tom
BATTAGLIN Enrico
*Really hoping here that Costa,Anton,Brajkovic will earn more points than this 3, this was tough
Most nervous about not picking Pozzato, Battalign and Felline, who was completely off my radar. Just hope that Pozz is still on the decline and Enrico struggles with the new expectations.
Those that almost made it onto the list:
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen (was in my team)*
BOLE Grega (was in my team)*
KREUZIGER Roman (was in my team)*
Last exclusions:
OSS Daniel
SEELDRAEYERS Kevin
KELDERMAN Wilco
ELISSONDE Kenny
Shortlist:
PORTE Richie
SEELDRAEYERS Kevin
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio
MARCZYNSKI Tomasz
IMPEY Daryl
ARGUELYES RODRIGES Arkimedes
EIJSSEN Yannick
[Few others I've scratched off shortlist eg Pozzato]
Neos:
FENN Andrew
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
NOVIKOV Nikita
MOSER Moreno
BARDET Romain
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
BOL Jetse
VAN DER SANDE Tosh
SINKELDAM Ramon
TRENTIN Matteo
PUCCIO Salvatore
ROWE Luke
MARKUS Barry
BENNETT George
LUDVIGSSON Tobias
DUMOULIN Tom
BATTAGLIN Enrico
*Really hoping here that Costa,Anton,Brajkovic will earn more points than this 3, this was tough
Most nervous about not picking Pozzato, Battalign and Felline, who was completely off my radar. Just hope that Pozz is still on the decline and Enrico struggles with the new expectations.
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just some guy said:
Oh sorry, didn't see that. But I don't think we should include it in the spreadsheet. When the season is over and the ever so dark off-season awaits, we have plenty of time to see what team what would have been the best, how the most poupular team would have done and so on
- Jan 11, 2010
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ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 47
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor 634
BOONEN Tom 502
BRESCHEL Matti 98
DEVOLDER Stijn 145
DURBRIDGE Luke 65
FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 522
FROOME Chris 779
GOOS Marc 76
HESJEDAL Ryder 595
HORNER Chris 588
IGLINSKIY Maxim 82
JUNGELS Bob 15
KELDERMAN Wilco 134
KROON Karsten 33
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 453
MAASKANT Martijn 47
MINNAARD Marco 0
MOSER Moreno 78
OLIVIER Daan 8
POELS Wout 681
POZZATO Filippo 301
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 60
RENSHAW Mark 286
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 439
SLAGTER Tom Jelte 41
SLIK Ivar 0
TRAKSEL Bobbie 21
VAN BAARLE Dylan 2
VANENDERT Jelle 435
VANMARCKE Sep 128
VELITS Peter 205
ZABEL Rick 0
33 riders, 7500 points.
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor 634
BOONEN Tom 502
BRESCHEL Matti 98
DEVOLDER Stijn 145
DURBRIDGE Luke 65
FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 522
FROOME Chris 779
GOOS Marc 76
HESJEDAL Ryder 595
HORNER Chris 588
IGLINSKIY Maxim 82
JUNGELS Bob 15
KELDERMAN Wilco 134
KROON Karsten 33
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 453
MAASKANT Martijn 47
MINNAARD Marco 0
MOSER Moreno 78
OLIVIER Daan 8
POELS Wout 681
POZZATO Filippo 301
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 60
RENSHAW Mark 286
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 439
SLAGTER Tom Jelte 41
SLIK Ivar 0
TRAKSEL Bobbie 21
VAN BAARLE Dylan 2
VANENDERT Jelle 435
VANMARCKE Sep 128
VELITS Peter 205
ZABEL Rick 0
33 riders, 7500 points.
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Hugo Koblet said:Oh sorry, didn't see that. But I don't think we should include it in the spreadsheet. When the season is over and the ever so dark off-season awaits, we have plenty of time to see what team what would have been the best, how the most poupular team would have done and so on
Ok ......................
just some guy said:
I'm too lazy to look but I believe last year if you would have the top picks you would have win the game by a good margin
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shalgo said:
I'd be interested in that too. I'll try the same list for last year, but I wont be able to do it until tonight.
Straßenrennen said:
He gave an interview early this week and he said he is confident about being the choice to lead RadioShack in Spain at La Vuelta. In spite of our cycling game I hope he can have the opportunity to do that.
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Tuarts said:
This post suggests the opposite: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=756989&postcount=1062
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As the defending champion I was asked to do a breakdown of the thought process behind my team sort of like Hugo did with his team earlier in this thread.
First of all since I did win last year I was a little more laid back this year and wasn't as meticulous in going through every single team looking for all the bargains. Last year I had some very good picks that I'm very proud of. I picked Galimzyanov eventhough his previous results hadn't been that special compared to other sprinters but the fact that McEwen left Katusha and that Galimzyanov had gotten the chance to ride the Vuelta made me feel that he was going to get a lot of chances in Katusha in 2011. Same thing with Elia Viviani. Liquigas lost their two main sprinters in Chicchi and Bennati so that left an opening for another sprinter to get more chances at Liquigas and Viviani had already some decent results in 2010 so I felt that he would probably some good opportunities in 2011 which he did.
For this year I didn't have as many picks that had as much thought behind them as Galimzyanov and Viviani but I think I've made some decent choices still. One thing I've changed from last year is that I have gone for more young talents than I did in 2011. I was a little skeptical about whether riders like Degenkolb and Matthews would get that many points in their first pro season but it turns out that the best U-23 riders are on a very good level and can get some nice results. Another deliberate strategy was to pick a few more french riders since I noticed that there are a lot of races on the french calender where mainly the french teams race so there ought to be some easy points to get for a good up and coming french rider.
FARRAR Tyler (953): I had a hard time deciding on the most expensive riders to get my points up to 7500 but I finally decided to go with Tyler Farrar. His score was pretty decent in 2011 but there is still room for improvement if Tyler is at his best. He had some setbacks with Weylandt dieing which set him back points wise and with Hushovd gone I think he will be more unchallenged as the main sprinter. I also think that with the arrival of GreenEdge there is bound to be a lot of sprint finishes in the year which will also benefit a rider like Farrar. The olympics is also a race that gives added value to a rider like Farrar.
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor (634): He was already a popular pick last year when he cost 50% more so at 634 I think Anton is a rather obvious choice especially compared to other riders at a similar price level.
BRAJKOVIC Janez (562): Brajkovic was a late addition to my team when I read that he had been suffering from undiagnosed mononukleosis for over a year which negatively affected his performance. Now that he is healthy I think there is a chance that he can have a very good year.
KREUZIGER Roman (528): Kreuziger is a bit of a favourite and I think his potential is a lot higher than the 528 points he costs. With both Kreuziger and Brajkovic the big question is what riders Astana will focus on as leaders for GTs and classics next year but I'm confident that both have enough potential to show that they deserve to get the leader spots.
BOONEN Tom (502): Boonen is a tricky rider to predict but I have a hard time seeing him dropping in points for yet another year and at 502 he only needs to get halfway to his previous level to get a good profit. A drawback is that he seems to not bother to sprint for lower places in a lot of races which is counterproductive for getting points but still I am confident he can get a profit at least.
HAUSSLER Heinrich (496): Haussler was already a good pick last year and it's always tricky to choose a rider that already had a good profit and hope he can improve a lot yet again this year. At the same time he wasn't at his best last year since he didn't have the solid training background to survive the classics. Hopefully he has had enough time to train now that he can last the longer races better. Also with Hushovd gone Haussler ought to be Garmins main rider for most of the classics.
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon (439): A victim of the Rabobank curse last year where he performed well under what he has previously done. Hopefully he can regain a little of his former form to get a solid profit.
CLARKE Simon (323): GreenEdge's lack of non-sprinter non-TT riders is well known but that also means that a rider like Simon Clarke will probably get some decent chances next year and with that the points can quickly come.
POZZATO Filippo (301): His win in GP Beghelli shows that he still has what it takes and with a new team he should get the chances and the motivation to get a lot of good results. Having a rider like Pozzato on a smaller team usually also means better results since he will likely race an easier program than he would on a WT team.
FELLINE Fabio (222): A good talent that has shown good results here and there and hopefully 2012 can be the year he can blossom.
LARSSON Gustav Erik (206): A bit of an underestimated rider when it comes to scoring points. He's not really a high profile rider but when he is in good TT shape he scores some good points. He's riding for a new team with a lot of freedom for their riders and with more ITTs in the GTs and with both the olympic and worlds ITT this year there is a good chance for Larsson to get a profit.
VELITS Peter (205): Eventhough his Vuelta podium feels like a bit of a fluke Velits is still a better rider than his 205 points cost would indicate which is why he is one of the most popular picks this year.
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis (190): It's hard to know how Henao will react to his first real season in Europe on a new team but I think he will get a lot of chances especially since certain Sky riders are totally focused on a track oriented program this year. Last year Sky managed to get a lot of riders into the top 10 of smaller stage races and that quickly gives some good points and Henao is the type of rider that could easily get some good GC finishes in smaller stage races.
CARRARA Matteo (185): Carrara is a typical rider for a game like this. He had a bad year compared to his previous years and the hope is of course that it was a one year thing and that he can return to his previous results.
DEVOLDER Stijn (145): Devolder is a bit hard to read but he can't really have a worse year than he had in 2011 can he? Even a small bounce back ought to make for a decent profit.
NOVIKOV Nikita (172): Novikov is one of the talents I chose in my effort to have more younger talents in the team. My only concern is that I may have too many Vacansoleil riders so they might not all get a profit but Vacansoleil has enough freedom for most riders to get their chances and the points are usually spread rather evenly amound their riders.
BOL Jetse (165): Bol has been a very good rider on the continental team level so it will be very interesting to see him take a step up to the full pro level. My main question mark is what role he will be given at Rabobank.
DEMARE Arnaud (148): With my stated goals of having more young talents and more french riders picking the french U-23 world champion is a pretty obvious choice.
ROGERS Michael (137): A terrible year last year with illness and injury so he should bounce back to a good profit this year.
KELDERMAN Wilco 134: One of the biggest talents from the last couple of years on the continental team level so he should have a chance of doing a good transition to the pro level. The question mark is his tendency to fall and injure himself at times.
BARDET Romain (130): Another combination of a young talent and a frenchman.
LAENGEN Vegard Stake (105): This is more of a personal favourite than a rider I have huge hopes for. I think he has a good potential though so the chance for a profit is still there.
BRESCHEL Matti (98): Probably one of the most obvious picks the game will have for several years.
BOECKMANS Kris (86): I don't really remember why I put Boeckmans on my long list some time during the year but I think he has a decent shot at getting a profit.
PLAZA MOLINA Ruben (81): Had his season ruined by injury so is a typical pick for a game like this.
ROWE Luke (75): Another young talent I've picked almost at a whim rather than having solid thought out reasons for it.
LUDVIGSSON Tobias (58): Like Laengen this is a personal favourite that I hope will have a good season in his first year as a pro. I was impressed by his performance as a stagiare with Skil so chances are he can have something big cooking.
RATHE Jakob (50): JV has a good eye for talents and gives them good opportunities to shine so a profit here is fairly certain.
MAASKANT Martijn (47): The first rider picked for the team when it was clear that he would get his season ruined by injury. Easy profit.
RABON Frantisek (35): Has been struggling with injuries for a while but hopefully he can get back to some of his old shape.
KROON Karsten (33): Has had some pretty bad years at BMC so the move back to Saxo Bank should give him some new energy and opportunity to get back to some of his previous results.
BOIVIN Guillaume (14): A very early pick for me since he had problems with injuries for most of the season. I also chose him since I wanted more riders from Pro Conti level since there were a lot of races last year with very few WT riders and I wanted some riders to follow in those races as well.
SICARD Romain (0): An obvious pick. Sicard is way to talented to be a 0-pointer so a profit is a guarantee pretty much.
So that's my team this year. I think it can be pretty good but you need a lot of luck to win this game an lightning rarely hits the same place twice.
First of all since I did win last year I was a little more laid back this year and wasn't as meticulous in going through every single team looking for all the bargains. Last year I had some very good picks that I'm very proud of. I picked Galimzyanov eventhough his previous results hadn't been that special compared to other sprinters but the fact that McEwen left Katusha and that Galimzyanov had gotten the chance to ride the Vuelta made me feel that he was going to get a lot of chances in Katusha in 2011. Same thing with Elia Viviani. Liquigas lost their two main sprinters in Chicchi and Bennati so that left an opening for another sprinter to get more chances at Liquigas and Viviani had already some decent results in 2010 so I felt that he would probably some good opportunities in 2011 which he did.
For this year I didn't have as many picks that had as much thought behind them as Galimzyanov and Viviani but I think I've made some decent choices still. One thing I've changed from last year is that I have gone for more young talents than I did in 2011. I was a little skeptical about whether riders like Degenkolb and Matthews would get that many points in their first pro season but it turns out that the best U-23 riders are on a very good level and can get some nice results. Another deliberate strategy was to pick a few more french riders since I noticed that there are a lot of races on the french calender where mainly the french teams race so there ought to be some easy points to get for a good up and coming french rider.
FARRAR Tyler (953): I had a hard time deciding on the most expensive riders to get my points up to 7500 but I finally decided to go with Tyler Farrar. His score was pretty decent in 2011 but there is still room for improvement if Tyler is at his best. He had some setbacks with Weylandt dieing which set him back points wise and with Hushovd gone I think he will be more unchallenged as the main sprinter. I also think that with the arrival of GreenEdge there is bound to be a lot of sprint finishes in the year which will also benefit a rider like Farrar. The olympics is also a race that gives added value to a rider like Farrar.
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor (634): He was already a popular pick last year when he cost 50% more so at 634 I think Anton is a rather obvious choice especially compared to other riders at a similar price level.
BRAJKOVIC Janez (562): Brajkovic was a late addition to my team when I read that he had been suffering from undiagnosed mononukleosis for over a year which negatively affected his performance. Now that he is healthy I think there is a chance that he can have a very good year.
KREUZIGER Roman (528): Kreuziger is a bit of a favourite and I think his potential is a lot higher than the 528 points he costs. With both Kreuziger and Brajkovic the big question is what riders Astana will focus on as leaders for GTs and classics next year but I'm confident that both have enough potential to show that they deserve to get the leader spots.
BOONEN Tom (502): Boonen is a tricky rider to predict but I have a hard time seeing him dropping in points for yet another year and at 502 he only needs to get halfway to his previous level to get a good profit. A drawback is that he seems to not bother to sprint for lower places in a lot of races which is counterproductive for getting points but still I am confident he can get a profit at least.
HAUSSLER Heinrich (496): Haussler was already a good pick last year and it's always tricky to choose a rider that already had a good profit and hope he can improve a lot yet again this year. At the same time he wasn't at his best last year since he didn't have the solid training background to survive the classics. Hopefully he has had enough time to train now that he can last the longer races better. Also with Hushovd gone Haussler ought to be Garmins main rider for most of the classics.
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon (439): A victim of the Rabobank curse last year where he performed well under what he has previously done. Hopefully he can regain a little of his former form to get a solid profit.
CLARKE Simon (323): GreenEdge's lack of non-sprinter non-TT riders is well known but that also means that a rider like Simon Clarke will probably get some decent chances next year and with that the points can quickly come.
POZZATO Filippo (301): His win in GP Beghelli shows that he still has what it takes and with a new team he should get the chances and the motivation to get a lot of good results. Having a rider like Pozzato on a smaller team usually also means better results since he will likely race an easier program than he would on a WT team.
FELLINE Fabio (222): A good talent that has shown good results here and there and hopefully 2012 can be the year he can blossom.
LARSSON Gustav Erik (206): A bit of an underestimated rider when it comes to scoring points. He's not really a high profile rider but when he is in good TT shape he scores some good points. He's riding for a new team with a lot of freedom for their riders and with more ITTs in the GTs and with both the olympic and worlds ITT this year there is a good chance for Larsson to get a profit.
VELITS Peter (205): Eventhough his Vuelta podium feels like a bit of a fluke Velits is still a better rider than his 205 points cost would indicate which is why he is one of the most popular picks this year.
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis (190): It's hard to know how Henao will react to his first real season in Europe on a new team but I think he will get a lot of chances especially since certain Sky riders are totally focused on a track oriented program this year. Last year Sky managed to get a lot of riders into the top 10 of smaller stage races and that quickly gives some good points and Henao is the type of rider that could easily get some good GC finishes in smaller stage races.
CARRARA Matteo (185): Carrara is a typical rider for a game like this. He had a bad year compared to his previous years and the hope is of course that it was a one year thing and that he can return to his previous results.
DEVOLDER Stijn (145): Devolder is a bit hard to read but he can't really have a worse year than he had in 2011 can he? Even a small bounce back ought to make for a decent profit.
NOVIKOV Nikita (172): Novikov is one of the talents I chose in my effort to have more younger talents in the team. My only concern is that I may have too many Vacansoleil riders so they might not all get a profit but Vacansoleil has enough freedom for most riders to get their chances and the points are usually spread rather evenly amound their riders.
BOL Jetse (165): Bol has been a very good rider on the continental team level so it will be very interesting to see him take a step up to the full pro level. My main question mark is what role he will be given at Rabobank.
DEMARE Arnaud (148): With my stated goals of having more young talents and more french riders picking the french U-23 world champion is a pretty obvious choice.
ROGERS Michael (137): A terrible year last year with illness and injury so he should bounce back to a good profit this year.
KELDERMAN Wilco 134: One of the biggest talents from the last couple of years on the continental team level so he should have a chance of doing a good transition to the pro level. The question mark is his tendency to fall and injure himself at times.
BARDET Romain (130): Another combination of a young talent and a frenchman.
LAENGEN Vegard Stake (105): This is more of a personal favourite than a rider I have huge hopes for. I think he has a good potential though so the chance for a profit is still there.
BRESCHEL Matti (98): Probably one of the most obvious picks the game will have for several years.
BOECKMANS Kris (86): I don't really remember why I put Boeckmans on my long list some time during the year but I think he has a decent shot at getting a profit.
PLAZA MOLINA Ruben (81): Had his season ruined by injury so is a typical pick for a game like this.
ROWE Luke (75): Another young talent I've picked almost at a whim rather than having solid thought out reasons for it.
LUDVIGSSON Tobias (58): Like Laengen this is a personal favourite that I hope will have a good season in his first year as a pro. I was impressed by his performance as a stagiare with Skil so chances are he can have something big cooking.
RATHE Jakob (50): JV has a good eye for talents and gives them good opportunities to shine so a profit here is fairly certain.
MAASKANT Martijn (47): The first rider picked for the team when it was clear that he would get his season ruined by injury. Easy profit.
RABON Frantisek (35): Has been struggling with injuries for a while but hopefully he can get back to some of his old shape.
KROON Karsten (33): Has had some pretty bad years at BMC so the move back to Saxo Bank should give him some new energy and opportunity to get back to some of his previous results.
BOIVIN Guillaume (14): A very early pick for me since he had problems with injuries for most of the season. I also chose him since I wanted more riders from Pro Conti level since there were a lot of races last year with very few WT riders and I wanted some riders to follow in those races as well.
SICARD Romain (0): An obvious pick. Sicard is way to talented to be a 0-pointer so a profit is a guarantee pretty much.
So that's my team this year. I think it can be pretty good but you need a lot of luck to win this game an lightning rarely hits the same place twice.
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will10 said:
So most pick Breschel because he was named in this thread or because he was the most high profile rider with a bad season?
Look at Lloyd and Sicard, less than 50% picked them despite being zero-pointers. Oh yes, huge influence. Then you get even less % for the names lower. Sounds too much like Cletus with his pitchfork talk to me.
In fact in my opinion, the only one who may have been overpicked because of mentions is Henao, however that is more a forum-wide thing that this thread.
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