The 2021 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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My team for the OG:
Evenepoel, Valverde, Dumoulin, Van Avermaet, Thomas, Lutsenko, Buchmann, Moscon and Vansevenant.

Definitely some potential to get a decent amount of points and make up some of the places I lost with the Tour.
 
As expected, the Tour was a disaster for my team in terms of points gained. But it could have been a lot worse in terms of how well/badly my big omissions fared. Thomas, Gaudu, SK, Mollema all did worse than I anticipated. Vingegaard probably did the most damage, along with Lutsenko and maybe Uran. As a result, have dropped from 7th to 24th over the 3 weeks, which as good as I could have hoped for.

Renewing the assault on the top ten with an Olympics team of:

Moscon
Ciccone
S.Yates
Vansevant
Evenepoel
Higuita
Buchmann

Pretty good team on paper, but an impossible race to predict. I have a feeling Moscon and Higuita might the ones left at the pointy end
 
PCS has a different scoring system, but has applied it, presumably with some consistency, back into previous years. Points are in the same range as CQ.

The highest end of year CQ score (Sagan 2016, 3307 CQ points) is 3315 PCS points
Roche '87 is 3681
Jalabert '95 is 4714
Hinault had 4223 in 1979
but in the 6 seasons 1970-75, the worst score Merckx had was 5411 (1971) and the best was 6263 (1972). Cavendish won't be equalling that...

Fondriest (3711 in 1993) also merits a mention.
Btw I really appreciated this discussion and the contributions of the folks who did the research on it. I've often wondered when marvelling at incredible individual seasons (eg Gilbert 2011, Evenepoel pre-crash 2020, Pogacar this year) how it would have felt in Merckx's heyday given that he was even more dominant. And this really puts it into perspective, wow. There has never been a male cyclist like him.
 
PCS has a different scoring system, but has applied it, presumably with some consistency, back into previous years. Points are in the same range as CQ.


The highest end of year CQ score (Sagan 2016, 3307 CQ points) is 3315 PCS points

Roche '87 is 3681

Jalabert '95 is 4714

Hinault had 4223 in 1979

but in the 6 seasons 1970-75, the worst score Merckx had was 5411 (1971) and the best was 6263 (1972). Cavendish won't be equalling that...


Fondriest (3711 in 1993) also merits a mention.
Thanks for looking up Roche '87 and Jalabert '95. Surprised Roche isn't higher with his Giro-Tour-Worlds triple.

It's pretty absurd that the worst year of Merckx's prime is better than anybody else's best year. Then again that particular year (1971) Merckx won the Tour de France (5 stages), the World Championships, Milano-Sanremo, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, Giro di Lombardia, Paris-Nice (3 stages), Dauphiné Libéré (3 stages), etc. so it makes sense.

As far as I can tell, Freddy Maertens (1976 and 1977) is the only other to even crack 5000. Raise your hand if you had Maertens as the holder of the two best non-Merckx seasons of all time, I sure didn't. In fact I got so intrigued I started digging a little deeper into his 1977 year and before breaking his wrist in the Giro he was on track for maybe the greatest season ever. I mean how does that make any sense :
  • 13 out 20 stages, the GC and the leader jersey from the first to the last stage of the Vuelta
  • 7 out of 11 stages prior to his fall in the Giro (and after he left the race one of his teammates won 2 stages and another one won the GC +a stage so I would say Maertens would have been a pretty safe bet for the GC).
 
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As expected, the Tour was a disaster for my team in terms of points gained. But it could have been a lot worse in terms of how well/badly my big omissions fared. Thomas, Gaudu, SK, Mollema all did worse than I anticipated. Vingegaard probably did the most damage, along with Lutsenko and maybe Uran. As a result, have dropped from 7th to 24th over the 3 weeks, which as good as I could have hoped for.

Renewing the assault on the top ten with an Olympics team of:

Moscon
Ciccone
S.Yates
Vansevant
Evenepoel
Higuita
Buchmann

Pretty good team on paper, but an impossible race to predict. I have a feeling Moscon and Higuita might the ones left at the pointy end

Well The Olympics was probably more damaging in one day, than three weeks of The Tour. My team were ineffective, while Mollema, Gaudu and Uran all scored well.

I still have hope for a good autumn. Starting tomorrow hopefully with San Sebastian

S. Yates
Ciccone
Lastra
Calmejane
Trentin
Moscon
 
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Update #26: Wout Else is New

CQ's update was very late this week but ended up including the Olympic Time Trial as well as the road race, leading to the odd situation where it's dated July 25th but includes a result from July 28th. Anyway, nobody had Carapaz in the game, so as has been the case on so many weeks in the last couple of years, the teams that had Wout Van Aert were the happiest of the week.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1triley36827
2EvansIsTheBest796
3R_O_Shipman722
4del1962713
5trackstand702

It's a very good week for triley36, with 322 points from Van Aert (5 teams) leading the way. Support was found outside the Olympics too, with Quinn Simmons (22 teams) winning a 2.1 race for 194 points and Quinten Hermans picking up 62 (11 teams); Gaudu (128 points, 19 teams) contributed back in Tokyo as well. EvansIsTheBest comes very close and has a fine week even without WvA on their team, with leading scorers being Simmons, Mollema (a sneaky 180 points for 4th in the road race), McNulty (155, 9 teams) and Gaudu. R.O. Shipman nabs third with a different lineup headlined by Mollema but also with Uran (170 points, 8 teams) and Tom Dumoulin (160 points, 4 teams), being one of the teams who stuck with Tom through his early-season uncertainty.

This Week's High Movers


Those just off the podium on the previous ranking are on top here. trackstand has the Gaudu/Mollema/Simmons trio, while del1962 has Mollema, Uran, and Rohan Dennis (130 points, 5 teams). R.O. Shipman and EvansIsTheBest are repeat podiums, tying for third here.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Otoxiep87251
2Bicycle_Boy213
3Hugo Koblet198.67
4Object180
5Jon_Ezeitza175

Bicycle Boy gets 18 points this week to leapfrog Hugo Koblet in the overall standings of the classification, while nobody else in the top 5 scores this week. Bicycle Boy is currently the only team within a week's worth of points (maximum 45 points) of leader Otoxiep87.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)13066
2(-)Otoxiep8712774
3(-)Total Package12357
4(-)Squire12354
5(-)Galpedal12046
6(-)Nakazar11998
7(+2)Northerner11602
8(+5)rote_laterne11570
9(+7)Armchair cyclist11539
10(+2)JPettersen11528

Otoxiep87 gains 100 points on Object this week, but the lead is still substantial, and it is still a long way back to third (only 4 teams are within 1000 points of the lead). Lower down there is more movement - rote laterne, Armchair Cyclist and JPettersen move into the top 10 while tobydawq, MADRAZO and Boris98 fall out.

This week the main event is (uh, was) the Clasica San Sebastian, while the Tour l'Ain went on and there were a few other 1.1 races. After this, we will be picking up speed towards the Vuelta and end of season races.

spreadsheet at dropbox
 
I think that's the first time my team has appeared in an update this year. So thanks Mollema, McNulty, Simmons and Gaudu. I was really excited during the olympic games road race before I remembered how bad the rest of my team was and that it didn't really matter.
 
Update #27: San Sebastian gets a Strong Neilson Rating

It was a short CQ week as the last update went through Tuesday (Wednesday in Japan) to include the Olympics Time Trial, so there weren't too many scoring races. Clasica San Sebastian headlined the points, and so naturally our leaders had relatively subdued scores, and the bulk of the scoring came from the World Tour race.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1BlueRoads391
2Jakob747380
3JPettersen357
4Koronin328
5Vipps325

BlueRoads pulls out the win this week as one of the only two teams in the game with surprising CSS victor Neilson Powless. His 220 points would be enough for a top 30 finish on the week even without any other scorers, but BlueRoads supplements with a few other riders scoring, most notably Vingeagaard (58 points) continuing to deliver for his 9 teams, and Mollema (46) keeping on going in his consistent-scoring ways. Jakob747 finishes 11 points back by spreading out the points a bit more, leading the way is 110 from Covi (2 teams), but also 76 from Alaphilippe, 52 from Moscon, 45 from Champoussin, and Vingegaard points too. JPettersen is a bit further back for third, spreading it out even further with many of the above-mentioned riders but a high scorer of Harm Vanhoucke (83 points, 4 teams).

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1BlueRoads(+10)
2karaev(+7)
3Jakob747(+6)
4Jon_Ezeitza(+5)
4mineralJ(+5)
4Koronin(+5)

BlueRoads doubles up! Jakob747 double podiums as well, the newcomer here being karaev, who has many of the riders named in the last section, plus interesting riders who were previously unmentioned such as Andrea Bagioli (66 points, 11 teams) and Maxim Van Gils (35 points, 2 teams).

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Otoxiep87251
2Bicycle_Boy213
3Hugo Koblet198.67
4Jon_Ezeitza183
5Object180

Not much change here, as Jon Ezeitza edges into the top 5 with 8 points on the week and no one else in the top 5 scoring.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)
13277
2(-)Otoxiep8713032
3(-)Total Package12527
4(-)Squire12521
5(-)Galpedal12298
6(-)Nakazar12234
7(+3)JPettersen11885
8(-1)Northerner11849
9(-1)rote_laterne11781
10(-1)Armchair cyclist11761

JPettersen's 3rd place on the week enables their team to make a move up the rankings in the top 10, but not much movement otherwise. Otoxiep87 gains 47 points on Object to close the gap a little bit more, but 3rd and 4th both lose ground relative to the top 2 so they are still in a class of their own. No entries or exits of the top 10 this week.

There is a fair amount of racing this week, with the Arctic Tour, Portugal and Burgos happening simultaneously. As it's Friday already, we'll be back for the next update before too long!

spreadsheet at dropbox
 
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Update #27: San Sebastian gets a Strong Neilson Rating

It was a short CQ week as the last update went through Tuesday (Wednesday in Japan) to include the Olympics Time Trial, so there weren't too many scoring races. Clasica San Sebastian headlined the points, and so naturally our leaders had relatively subdued scores, and the bulk of the scoring came from the World Tour race.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1BlueRoads391
2Jakob747380
3JPettersen357
4Koronin328
5Vipps325

BlueRoads pulls out the win this week as one of the only two teams in the game with surprising CSS victor Neilson Powless. His 220 points would be enough for a top 30 finish on the week even without any other scorers, but BlueRoads supplements with a few other riders scoring, most notably Vingeagaard (58 points) continuing to deliver for his 9 teams, and Mollema (46) keeping on going in his consistent-scoring ways. Jakob747 finishes 11 points back by spreading out the points a bit more, leading the way is 110 from Covi (2 teams), but also 76 from Alaphilippe, 52 from Moscon, 45 from Champoussin, and Vingegaard points too. JPettersen is a bit further back for third, spreading it out even further with many of the above-mentioned riders but a high scorer of Harm Vanhoucke (83 points, 4 teams).

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1BlueRoads(+10)
2karaev(+7)
3Jakob747(+6)
4Jon_Ezeitza(+5)
4mineralJ(+5)
4Koronin(+5)

BlueRoads doubles up! Jakob747 double podiums as well, the newcomer here being karaev, who has many of the riders named in the last section, plus interesting riders who were previously unmentioned such as Andrea Bagioli (66 points, 11 teams) and Maxim Van Gils (35 points, 2 teams).

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Otoxiep87251
2Bicycle_Boy213
3Hugo Koblet198.67
4Jon_Ezeitza183
5Object180

Not much change here, as Jon Ezeitza edges into the top 5 with 8 points on the week and no one else in the top 5 scoring.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)
13277
2(-)Otoxiep8713032
3(-)Total Package12527
4(-)Squire12521
5(-)Galpedal12298
6(-)Nakazar12234
7(+3)JPettersen11885
8(-1)Northerner11849
9(-1)rote_laterne11781
10(-1)Armchair cyclist11761

JPettersen's 3rd place on the week enables their team to make a move up the rankings in the top 10, but not much movement otherwise. Otoxiep87 gains 47 points on Object to close the gap a little bit more, but 3rd and 4th both lose ground relative to the top 2 so they are still in a class of their own. No entries or exits of the top 10 this week.

There is a fair amount of racing this week, with the Arctic Tour, Portugal and Burgos happening simultaneously. As it's Friday already, we'll be back for the next update before too long!

spreadsheet at dropbox
Hey. It looks like the week 27 link isn't working.
 
Pologne:

Colbrelli
Moscon
Laporte
Wellens

For the parcours, this is a very decent team in terms of stage wins and the overall

Denmark

All about Evenepoel. Marezcko and Dupont are also there, though I have no idea why given the sprint field
 
Update #28: Object extends the lead again

This past week saw races in Burgos and Norway, with most of the popular expensive riders in the game taking the week off. As such, the leaders on the week were those with the best combo of relatively rare riders. Not a high scoring week overall, but still enough difference amongst the top teams overall to bring out some gaps.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1vladimir428
2Eyeballs Out412
3Lortnoc388
4Rakim377
5R_O_Shipman365

Vladimir has the magic combo this week, coming out on top by 16 points. Their team's highest scorer was Romain Bardet with 106 points for his 47 owners, but oh it could have been so much more. Mark Padun (10 teams) picked up 92 points, and Pavel Sivakov (31 teams) got 78. Vladimir rounds this out with a few riders scoring in the 30-50 range. Eyeballs Out gets the runner up spot with some points from rare riders in Norway - Odd Christian Eiking (130 points, 3 teams) and Samuele Battistella (83 points, 2 teams) add to Bardet and Sivakov points. Lortnoc rounds out the podium with Bardet, Sivakov and 110 points from Fabio Aru (14 teams), who manages his best GC finish in years at Burgos.

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1shalgo(+7)
2vladimir(+6)
3ray10(+5)
4R_O_Shipman(+4)
4del1962(+4)
4Gigs_98(+4)

By this point of the season, there's not much movement in weeks like this, and shalgo nabs the spot as highest mover by moving up 7 spots in the overall with the Bardet/Sivakov/Aru combo. Vladimir doesn't quite manage the double win, but is up there in second, while ray10 rounds out the podium.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Otoxiep87251
2Bicycle_Boy213
3Hugo Koblet198.67
4Jon_Ezeitza183
5Object180

No scoring in the top 5 this week and so no change in order; Otoxiep87 still leads. The highest overall placement scoring is del1962 in 10th, although I do want to give a shoutout to del's team for their consistency, as this is the 4th week in a row they've scored points for being in the top 15 of the week, and the 7th out of the last 10 weeks there.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)13575
2(-)Otoxiep8713070
3(+1)Squire12711
4(-1)Total Package12663
5(+1)Nakazar12419
6(-1)Galpedal12407
7(-)JPettersen12087
8(-)Northerner12086
9(-)rote_laterne12032
10(+3)mineralJ11897

The last few weeks had seen little change at the top but Otoxiep87 was chipping away at Object's lead; that was all reversed this week as Object scores 298 points to Otoxiep87's 38 points. Object also gains at least 100 points on everyone else in the top 6. The only change in and out of the top 10 is that mineralJ comes in at the expense of Armchair Cyclist.

This week we are back to the WorldTour with Poland (albeit not with a top-tier WT lineup), and the return of the Tour of Denmark. And of course, the first two stages of the Vuelta will be on this update! Last grand tour of the year is coming.

spreadsheet at dropbox

(ps sorry I messed up the link last week, it's fixed now for the completists)
 
Update #28: Object extends the lead again

This past week saw races in Burgos and Norway, with most of the popular expensive riders in the game taking the week off. As such, the leaders on the week were those with the best combo of relatively rare riders. Not a high scoring week overall, but still enough difference amongst the top teams overall to bring out some gaps.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1vladimir428
2Eyeballs Out412
3Lortnoc388
4Rakim377
5R_O_Shipman365

Vladimir has the magic combo this week, coming out on top by 16 points. Their team's highest scorer was Romain Bardet with 106 points for his 47 owners, but oh it could have been so much more. Mark Padun (10 teams) picked up 92 points, and Pavel Sivakov (31 teams) got 78. Vladimir rounds this out with a few riders scoring in the 30-50 range. Eyeballs Out gets the runner up spot with some points from rare riders in Norway - Odd Christian Eiking (130 points, 3 teams) and Samuele Battistella (83 points, 2 teams) add to Bardet and Sivakov points. Lortnoc rounds out the podium with Bardet, Sivakov and 110 points from Fabio Aru (14 teams), who manages his best GC finish in years at Burgos.

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1shalgo(+7)
2vladimir(+6)
3ray10(+5)
4R_O_Shipman(+4)
4del1962(+4)
4Gigs_98(+4)

By this point of the season, there's not much movement in weeks like this, and shalgo nabs the spot as highest mover by moving up 7 spots in the overall with the Bardet/Sivakov/Aru combo. Vladimir doesn't quite manage the double win, but is up there in second, while ray10 rounds out the podium.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Otoxiep87251
2Bicycle_Boy213
3Hugo Koblet198.67
4Jon_Ezeitza183
5Object180

No scoring in the top 5 this week and so no change in order; Otoxiep87 still leads. The highest overall placement scoring is del1962 in 10th, although I do want to give a shoutout to del's team for their consistency, as this is the 4th week in a row they've scored points for being in the top 15 of the week, and the 7th out of the last 10 weeks there.

Top 10 Overall

RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)13575
2(-)Otoxiep8713070
3(+1)Squire12711
4(-1)Total Package12663
5(+1)Nakazar12419
6(-1)Galpedal12407
7(-)JPettersen12087
8(-)Northerner12086
9(-)rote_laterne12032
10(+3)mineralJ11897

The last few weeks had seen little change at the top but Otoxiep87 was chipping away at Object's lead; that was all reversed this week as Object scores 298 points to Otoxiep87's 38 points. Object also gains at least 100 points on everyone else in the top 6. The only change in and out of the top 10 is that mineralJ comes in at the expense of Armchair Cyclist.

This week we are back to the WorldTour with Poland (albeit not with a top-tier WT lineup), and the return of the Tour of Denmark. And of course, the first two stages of the Vuelta will be on this update! Last grand tour of the year is coming.

spreadsheet at dropbox

(ps sorry I messed up the link last week,


Thanks for update as always.
 
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