The 2025 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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Ok here is my team

VAN AERT Wout (1259 Points) 60 Teams

I originally looked at 4 pls 1000 riders, reduced to Wout and Jonas, then I felt they where taking too much budget so got rid of Jonas (I will see how my around 600 point riders do).

The 600 – 702 Point riders.

NYS Thibau (702) 20 Teams

PITHIE Laurence (689) 15 Teams

LIPOWITZ Florian (676) 11 Teams

GANNA Filippo (644) 25 teams.

HEALY Ben (637) 15 Teams

YATES Simon (620) 15 Teams

Yates and Ganna apart all exciting young riders, who have great upsides and hoping Yates matches his brothers move to another team. I think Ganna has a great upside as well.

KUSS Sepp (470) 7 Teams

Bit of a risk reward pick, has the ability but may just be a domestique.

ASGREEN Kasper (380) 10 Teams

Although not a similar type of rider from a CQ perspective feels similar to Kuss

HAYTER Ethan (263) 58 Teams

Will see how he does at the steppers, not 100% convinced, bt difficult to leave out.

GEOGHEGAN HART Tao (137) 71 Teams

Last minute bring in after reading positive vibes from his team, I cold not see any races on his program, we will see how he gets on.

TORRES ARIAS Pablo (122) 70 Teams

Having seen his final stage at L’Avenir I had to make room. Potential super upside.

KÄMNA Lennard (108) 63 Teams

Another fairly boring pick, along with Tao and Ethan

CARTHY Hugh (82) 28 Teams

Can he produce past performances???

CAVAGNA Rémi (80) 52 Teams

Another fairly poring pick.

MASNADA Fausto (76) 10 Teams

Team move should mean he gets to ride for himself more and not Remco

AUGUST Andrew (74) 24 Teams

Upcoming talent.

KRON Andreas Lorentz (68) 70 Teams

Had a poor season last year, UnoX cold suite him.

FERRON Valentin (59) 12 Teams

Some decent results in past, not an exciting pick but should pick up points in French races.

SHAW James (58) 2 Teams

I rider I like, and should do better than last year.

VERMEERSCH Florian (51) 74 Teams

Good results in past, and poor last year, move to UAE, should do a lot better than last year.

KAMP Alexander (49) 22 Teams

Just felt good value, move of teams hopefully will help.

GLOAG Thomas (46) 62 Teams

On my team last year, had to pick him again.

SCHELLING Ide (45) 9 Teams

Up and down season sort of rider, hopefully p this year.

VAN BAARLE Dylan (35) 75 Teams

At that cost a no brainer.

TULETT Ben (27) 56 Teams

Feels like another no brainer. And would love to see him do well.

FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar (21) Unique

Ok not young, I think might be my oldest rider. Hopefully will get some points.

GESBERT Elie (10) 32 Teams

Feels like a boring cq pick.

EDMONDSON Alexander (5) 2 Teams

Felt a few years ago was a good talent, surprised only on one other team.

DINHAM Matthew (0) 40 Teams

Done well in past, will see how he does.

VLIEGEN Loïc (0) 8 Teams

Older but similar to Dinham,

FINN Lorenzo (0) 8 Teams

Junior world champion, maybe should have gone for Junior Time Trial champion who is more popular and is on WT team, not at conti level

CHARLTON Josh (0) Unique

Bit of a local rider I would like to do well so slightly sentimental, was on trinity racing last year, hopefully he will get rides this year.
 
And riders on at leaset 50 teams that didn't make grade.

Riders that didn’t make it that are on more than 50 teams

UIJTDEBROEKS Cian

Considered but decided against, not convinced of his consistency,

PHILIPSEN Albert Within

Didn’t know anything about him, not on my radar.

SEIXAS Paul

Had him on my team, but swapped him out.

BAGIOLI Andrea

Missed him but could be a good pick

NORDHAGEN Jørgen

Didn’t consider.
 
PIGANZOLI Davide (523 points, 1 pick)
Does it make sense to spend over 500 points on a rider from Polti ? Probably not but Piganzoli checks a LOT of boxes. Is he the best rider on his team and will get every leadership oportunity he can handle ? Check. Want a guy that will consistenly crank out points in every stage race he enters ? Check (his 8 stage races in 2024: 14th in Valenciana, 1st in Antalya, 18th in Tirreno, 10th in the Alps, 13th in the Giro, 11th in Burgos, 9th in Luxembourg with only a DNF in Slovenia due to a crash). Want a guy that can dominate against weaker competition ? Check (see his Antalya result). Sure he might get that kind of easy points most of the time but he is also riding for Polti, it’s not like he’ll see a bunch of WT riders every week. Did he seem to improve as the Giro wore on, showing good recovery skills ? Check. Do you want a 22 years old that just did the best time trial AND the best one day race of his career in the last month of his season hinting that he hasn’t reached his full potential yet ? Check. Want a guy that can score a lot during the Italian fall to carry my team and avoid my usual September collapse ? Check. Want an expensive rider that is also going to be quite rare and exciting to follow ? Check. What more could you want ?
As I mentioned earlier, I'm a fan of Piganzoli after having him on my team for two years, and I love to see some new Italian GC stars. And I understand you want a rare rider and you also make some other good arguments. But I just don't see the value. Basso has said several times that he has good numbers, but I don't know whether he means good for Polti or good enough to be a star on the biggest scene. Last year I thought his points tally was pretty much best-case scenario for him at that stage of his career. He had hardly any issues at all except that one DNF, but just didn't have the level to meaningfully impact any of the races except Antalya and Emilia (and the latter had really bad weather, which maybe he just supports well). And while it was fun to see him get a lot of points; 'exciting to follow' is quite the stretch to say about having to squint to see if I could spot a red shorts somewhere in the distance off the back of the favourites group in most of the races he did. :D

He will probably improve in his third year as a pro, but unless he improves massively, which I have a hard time seeing, he needs quite the perfect season to translate a step up of a few GC positions into a significant points increase.

CHRISTEN Jan (547 points, 14 picks)
I had him in my team last year until I swapped him out last minute. We all make mistakes, we don’t have to repeat them. So he is in this time. With Hirschi and Ulissi gone, he is about to Hirschi the UCI calendar like nobody has ever Hirschied before (yes I know it’s not a verb, leave me alone).
The other somewhat expensive guy I'm a little bit skeptical of on your team, although he was at least on my longlist. I really enjoyed following him last year (it helped a lot that he was on my CQ team) and I'm a big believer in his talent, but the big difference between him and Hirschi/Ulissi is that Christen doesn't have a sprint. And he wants to be a GC rider. And while he will probably still score a lot of points, I don't think he has all the tools (not yet, at least) to really be that kind of points machine.
 
RICCITELLO Matthew (333 points, picked 17 times)
Exactly the type of picks I tend to make. Young, ascending GC rider with a consistent baseline and the potential to break through. His results in stage races last season: 12th in UAE tour, DNF in Catalunya, 13th in the Giro d’Abruzzo, 5th in the Tour de Suisse, 6th in the Sibiu Tour and 30th in the Vuelta (where he was much more impressive than that GC would let you believe). I think he is ready to get a few top 10s in WT one week races.

RONDEL Mathys (131 points, 9 picks)
Did you know that his score is artificially low because he was stripped of his win in stage 3 of the Istrian Spring Trophy (for going through a roundabout in a non UCI approved manner) ? Well now you know and understand why it’s only a matter of time before Hirschi, Alaphilippe, Trentin and Storer are his domestiques. More seriously, I like what Tudor is building but they don’t have a ton of climbers yet so I can definitely see him get a few GC opportunities.

ISIDORE Noa (127 points, 9 picks)
He had some interesting results at the .2 level including winning the GC of the Istrian Spring Trophy (in a field that included Pellizari for instance). Bet you didn’t expect two references to that race in the span of a couple sentences. Anyway, he can score in one day races as well as GCs which is always a plus. Honestly his results versus pros are more impressive than his U23 results which is kind of rare. It looks like, the bigger the race, the better the stronger he is so I’m curious to see how he handles the step up in competition.

CHRISTEN Jan (547 points, 14 picks)
I had him in my team last year until I swapped him out last minute. We all make mistakes, we don’t have to repeat them. So he is in this time. With Hirschi and Ulissi gone, he is about to Hirschi the UCI calendar like nobody has ever Hirschied before (yes I know it’s not a verb, leave me alone).

PIGANZOLI Davide (523 points, 1 pick)
Does it make sense to spend over 500 points on a rider from Polti ? Probably not but Piganzoli checks a LOT of boxes. Is he the best rider on his team and will get every leadership oportunity he can handle ? Check. Want a guy that will consistenly crank out points in every stage race he enters ? Check (his 8 stage races in 2024: 14th in Valenciana, 1st in Antalya, 18th in Tirreno, 10th in the Alps, 13th in the Giro, 11th in Burgos, 9th in Luxembourg with only a DNF in Slovenia due to a crash). Want a guy that can dominate against weaker competition ? Check (see his Antalya result). Sure he might get that kind of easy points most of the time but he is also riding for Polti, it’s not like he’ll see a bunch of WT riders every week. Did he seem to improve as the Giro wore on, showing good recovery skills ? Check. Do you want a 22 years old that just did the best time trial AND the best one day race of his career in the last month of his season hinting that he hasn’t reached his full potential yet ? Check. Want a guy that can score a lot during the Italian fall to carry my team and avoid my usual September collapse ? Check. Want an expensive rider that is also going to be quite rare and exciting to follow ? Check. What more could you want ?

By the way, he isn’t on my team but I’m absolutely shocked that nobody picked Gautherat. How often do you see a guy score over 400 points as a 21 years old, go into the next season healthy as far as I can tell and not get selected even once ?
A few riders here that I'd like to comment on.

Christen I regard very highly - as you know from our talks about him elsewhere - and I would have loved to include him on my team. For me there were two things that made me decide against him, the main one being the pretty stiff competition in the 400+ range. If I wanted all of Magnier, Morgado and Penhoët, there was no way to fit in Christen as well - and I was not gonna compromise with Magnier and Morgado. Second, I don't like the fact that he - and UAE - want to to him into a stage racer. Look, I think he'll do fine as one, I just think that the potential as a one-day racer is higher for him. We've discussed him potentially Hirschiing his way to a very good year, but it doesn't seem too likely for me anymore. Had he just been scheduled to do a few one-day races like Drome and Ardeche, I would have been more comfortable that he would still be focusing on one-day races as well. Of course he can still do that at this point, but there's not much pointing in that direction. I'm sure he'll still have a great season, but I fear that his scoring potential is lower if he's only focusing on stage racing.

I love all of your arguments for Piganzoli, and I love the fact that you picked him. I never really considered him, and I think that simply boils down to the fact that he's a pretty expensive rider on a ProTeam, which is a combination I'm too fond of (unless it's Lotto or something). Add to that a rather inexperienced ProTeam - they've never had a rider score more than the 546 points that Albanese scored for them in 2022, and I'm not sure how much I trust the team to be able to support Piganzoli in a way that makes it easy for him to score much more. That might be flawed logic, but that's my thoughts about him: The talent and potential might be there, but is the environment good enough to fulfill it?

Riccitello I'm not sure why I didn't really consider. Perhaps I found his skillset too limited? I don't honestly know. But I gotta say that I fear that I might have made en oversight here, as I see a lot of good CQ managers have him on their team, which is scary. I have Nerurkar as an almost direct substitution for Riccitello, but I'm not sure I would want to bet on Nerurkar doing better than Riccitello seeing the latters popularity.

Isidore and Rondel I had in various versions of my team, and I think they're both solid and exciting picks. In the end I went for the more boring pick in Hart, but I could just as easily have picked either of Isidore and Rondel. Rondel I got a little confused why he didn't perform after June. He underperformed in Alsace, was bad in L'Avenir and DNF his last three races of the season. Isidore was perhaps a bit higher up the hierarchy on my shortlist than Rondel. I kinda regret not just going for Isidore instead of Hart at this point.

Gautherat is indeed an exciting prospect, and under different circumstances, I'm sure he would have been picked more often. This year there were just a) some very obvious really expensive picks, b) some very interesting names in the 500+ category that many have been drawn towards, and c) some tough competition in Gautherat's exact price range, which all makes it a tough environment for Gautherat to thrive in. That said, I definitely wouldn't have been surprised to see him on a few teams. Seeing that he would have been a unique pick, I kinda wish I had him instead of Penhoët - although I do rate Penhoët slightly higher.
 
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So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO? Granted, he seems like a great climbing prospect, but does ppl have higher expectations to him than to Widar fx? Is it the success of Del Toro last year that makes his backers think he will shine already this year? I think he is more of a pure climber, almost like the Colombians, and at UAE I don't see that being an advantage.
It might come back and haunt me once again, but I don't think Torres will be a good/great pick this year.

I will pay close attention to these four guys, who all had to leave my team last minute, when I decided to fit in Vingegaard:
Vine, Gall, Poole, Riccitello - especially the last two I'm rooting for, despite leaving them out.
If I'd kept them, I at least would have had a joined first place right now😄

So my 4 vs. 4 watch list is Jonas/Louvel/Schelling/Brunel vs. the four guys above.
 
So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO? Granted, he seems like a great climbing prospect, but does ppl have higher expectations to him than to Widar fx? Is it the success of Del Toro last year that makes his backers think he will shine already this year? I think he is more of a pure climber, almost like the Colombians, and at UAE I don't see that being an advantage.
It might come back and haunt me once again, but I don't think Torres will be a good/great pick this year.
The problem with Widar is that he is in a development team and is going to ride a lot of u-23 races this year according to PCS, so even if his level is great, he's probably not going to score that many points, while UAE have been great at farming results with their young riders recently, so yeah, it's a bit of FOMO. I wouldn't bet anything valuable on Torres having a great year but if there are any neo-pros that I can see scoring over 500-600 points, he's definetely one of them.
 
So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO? Granted, he seems like a great climbing prospect, but does ppl have higher expectations to him than to Widar fx? Is it the success of Del Toro last year that makes his backers think he will shine already this year? I think he is more of a pure climber, almost like the Colombians, and at UAE I don't see that being an advantage.
It might come back and haunt me once again, but I don't think Torres will be a good/great pick this year.

I will pay close attention to these four guys, who all had to leave my team last minute, when I decided to fit in Vingegaard:
Vine, Gall, Poole, Riccitello - especially the last two I'm rooting for, despite leaving them out.
If I'd kept them, I at least would have had a joined first place right now😄

So my 4 vs. 4 watch list is Jonas/Louvel/Schelling/Brunel vs. the four guys above.
I think I'd have taken the Finestre version of Torres at 2x or 3x this year's cost. UAE do seem to spread the wealth a bit, and do lots of non-WT races too. It could easily be a year or two early for him but an easy pick IMO.

As for Widar he isn't on the pro team til '26, can go straight onto next year's longlist of course.
 
So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO? Granted, he seems like a great climbing prospect, but does ppl have higher expectations to him than to Widar fx? Is it the success of Del Toro last year that makes his backers think he will shine already this year? I think he is more of a pure climber, almost like the Colombians, and at UAE I don't see that being an advantage.
It might come back and haunt me once again, but I don't think Torres will be a good/great pick this year.
I touched briefly on both Torres and Widar in my team presentation post, and regarding Torres it's definitely a bit of FOMO. But that FOMO turned out well last year, despite having some doubts about all the UAE youngsters I picked, especially Del Toro. And history has shown that picking the 2-3 most talented neo-pros is usually a very sound strategy unless they're really expensive. One of them doing a Del Toro or De Lie is enough - it doesn't matter too much if some others don't quite deliver.

For reference, this is what I wrote about the UAE guys when presenting my team last year:

All three of the UAE youngsters are really more defensive picks for me. For some or all of them it could be a year too early, but they will all score big at some points, so I couldn't take the risk.
And Torres, along with Seixas and Withen Philipsen, are clearly in the same category this year. Nordhagen, on the other hand, I have no doubts about.
 
So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO? Granted, he seems like a great climbing prospect, but does ppl have higher expectations to him than to Widar fx? Is it the success of Del Toro last year that makes his backers think he will shine already this year? I think he is more of a pure climber, almost like the Colombians, and at UAE I don't see that being an advantage.
It might come back and haunt me once again, but I don't think Torres will be a good/great pick this year.
I never considered not picking Torres, but I never put any though into it. Basically I just saw young hyped climber going to UAE and reminded myself that I missed out on Del Toro last year. That was enough for me to consider him an auto-include. I think it's fair to call it FOMO. I don't expect him to score like Del Toro this year, though.
 
I know Widar is not on the main team per se, but there's no doubt in my mind that he'll be part of Lottos lineup for some of the smaller races laternin the season. For me he's got the same chances to do well as Torres, because he is likely to be a leader in specific races, whereas Torres might "just" get a free reign sometimes.
Torres seem to lack the explosiveness of Del Toro and the monster engine of Morgado. If he's got the racing instinct of Jan Christen that could save him, but where UAE tends to spread the wealth is primarily in punchy/hilly races, and I'm not certain Torres is a particular fit for those. I'm thinking he'll be getting a more Arrieta-like season, a rider I had high hopes for initially, but has drowned a bit in the Arabic talent pool. But let's see if I get to gloat or moan in nine months:)
 
I know Widar is not on the main team per se, but there's no doubt in my mind that he'll be part of Lottos lineup for some of the smaller races laternin the season. :)
You could be right about him doing even more pro races of course, but when looking at his race program being stacked with low-scoring U23 races for most of the second half of the season, and remembering him complaining about being overraced last year doing those same races, I felt comfortable enough to gamble on leaving him out. But if my team had two more spots or if the overall puzzle had ended up somewhat differently, he would have been in my team for sure. It wasn't really just about selecting Torres above him.

Torres seem to lack the explosiveness of Del Toro and the monster engine of Morgado. If he's got the racing instinct of Jan Christen that could save him, but where UAE tends to spread the wealth is primarily in punchy/hilly races, and I'm not certain Torres is a particular fit for those. I'm thinking he'll be getting a more Arrieta-like season, a rider I had high hopes for initially, but has drowned a bit in the Arabic talent pool. But let's see if I get to gloat or moan in nine months:)
The Arrieta season is definitely a danger when it comes to Torres, and he's more of a defensive pick for me than someone I'm confident will explode onto the scene. But I also didn't know about Del Toro's explosivity or Morgados engine (he rather seemed to lack it in some races in 2023) or Christen's race craft before I picked them. I just knew they were huge talents. And if I'm gonna take my chances on a youngster for 2025, there are way worse options than someone with all-time-high w/kg who would have won Avenir at the age of 18 bar the prologue, and who could hang with Nordhagen and Pellizarri in Friuli, and who almost destroyed the peloton in Giro d'Abruzzo.
 
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Torres has shown signs that his elite climbing could make him a winner imo.

Arrieta is a solid rider, but doesnt really excel in anything. They dont win as much but make good domestics. Maybe can win some minor one-day race or stages during his career.
 
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So is the massive backing of Pablo Torres funded in some way or is it just FOMO?
Not necessarily Del Toro, it's a whole bunch of riders that were in a similar position to his talent.

Del Toro: 124 -> 890
Jan Christen: 59 -> 547
Antonio Morgado: 132 -> 411
Davide Piganzoli 117 -> 523
Giulio Pellizzari: 217 -> 484
Archie Ryan: 45 -> 441
Darren Rafferty: 103 -> 215
Alec Segaert: 198 -> 550
Joseph Blackmore: 67 -> 725
Anders Foldager: 95 -> 463
Jordan Jegat: 184 -> 453
Guillermo Thomas Silva: 7 -> 422
Paul Magnier: 38 -> 405
Lukas Nerurkar 83 ->328

Basically, the rule is if you have done well in U-23 races like Giro Next Gen, Tour de l'Avenir or the championships and you are moving from a conti team to a PT or WT team then chances are very high that you will score a good deal more points the following season. This also works historically if you look at most riders and how their points jumped when they turned pros. It's just a matter of how many of them you can fit in your team and hope you got the biggest jumpers.

Of course this does not always pan out. By all metrics Johannes Staune-Mittet should be part of the list above but he only went from 108 -> 150 when moving to the WT team, still decent but not the same 3-10x jump.
 
Not necessarily Del Toro, it's a whole bunch of riders that were in a similar position to his talent.

Del Toro: 124 -> 890
Jan Christen: 59 -> 547
Antonio Morgado: 132 -> 411
Davide Piganzoli 117 -> 523
Giulio Pellizzari: 217 -> 484
Archie Ryan: 45 -> 441
Darren Rafferty: 103 -> 215
Alec Segaert: 198 -> 550
Joseph Blackmore: 67 -> 725
Anders Foldager: 95 -> 463
Jordan Jegat: 184 -> 453
Guillermo Thomas Silva: 7 -> 422
Paul Magnier: 38 -> 405
Lukas Nerurkar 83 ->328

Basically, the rule is if you have done well in U-23 races like Giro Next Gen, Tour de l'Avenir or the championships and you are moving from a conti team to a PT or WT team then chances are very high that you will score a good deal more points the following season. This also works historically if you look at most riders and how their points jumped when they turned pros. It's just a matter of how many of them you can fit in your team and hope you got the biggest jumpers.

Of course this does not always pan out. By all metrics Johannes Staune-Mittet should be part of the list above but he only went from 108 -> 150 when moving to the WT team, still decent but not the same 3-10x jump.
There are quite a number of different situations to the Torres one here though. But your general point is my main reason for picking him, of course. Pick three guys like that, and if one scores 900 and the other two scores 150 each, they still score 400 points each on average.

Comparable riders would be Lenny Martinez, Max Poole and Juan Ayuso, who all turned pro as 2nd year U23s. But there are of course also lots of riders who didn't work out quite that well.
 
There are quite a number of different situations to the Torres one here though. But your general point is my main reason for picking him, of course. Pick three guys like that, and if one scores 900 and the other two scores 150 each, they still score 400 points each on average.

Comparable riders would be Lenny Martinez, Max Poole and Juan Ayuso, who all turned pro as 2nd year U23s. But there are of course also lots of riders who didn't work out quite that well.
Most of the riders who didn't turn out didn't show the same level of results though in the U-23 races.

Even if there are individual circumstances that differ, the main rule still applies of being a talent showing results and moving into pro ranks. And ya I only listed riders getting the jump in 2024. Those 3 would count among the historical relevance to the theory.

The points jump from x.2 or x.2U races to even racing at lowest x.1 races is so massive that it's almost inevitable to score better if you are halfway decent. You get more points from getting 9th in a 1.1 races compared to winning a 1.2 race and finishing 10th in a 2.1 race is the same points as winning a 2.2 race, just as an example. And that doesn't even touch racing x.PS or WT races.
 
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In last year's thread I was talking about a new strategy, but here we are, overplaying the TDU starters as per tradition, going with Corbin Strong as my unique pick and missing out on WVA/Jonas. Feels like I'm getting worse every year. Happy if I crack the top 50 with this squad :D

MAGNIER Paul
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes
DE SCHUYTENEER Steffen
TORRES ARIAS Pablo
BEHRENS Niklas
KÄMNA Lennard
VAN EETVELT Lennert
SIMMONS Quinn
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
STRONG Corbin
DEL GROSSO Tibor
SVRCEK Martin
JAKOBSEN Fabio
TULETT Ben
AUGUST Andrew
PHILIPSEN Albert Withen
EULALIO Afonso
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
BRENNAN Matthew
BISIAUX Léo
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
NERURKAR Lukas
BRUTTOMESSO Alberto
VERMEERSCH Florian
SEIXAS Paul
NORDHAGEN Jørgen
GLOAG Thomas
WIDAR Jarno
MIHKELS Madis
SHEFFIELD Magnus
HUISING Menno
TIBERI Antonio
CAVAGNA Rémi
Last year I had 13/33 in my team starting TDUand had some big results but they soon dropped down the standings.

This year my team is being more patient with only 5 riders heading to Adelaide.
 
His composure was something else too, so tactically he seems pretty advanced. In Rwanda he was isolated but never panicked and knew to save his attacks
Blackmore could be a terrific rider for hilly races, short stage races and Ardennes classics could be where he shines most. Will be fun to follow but I think he scored a bit too well last year to make himself a must pick in the CQ game.