The Armitstead doping thread.

[TheSpud]

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Well, as much as some people here take the anti-British thing a little too far, I am with anyone who says Walsh is a paid shill.

Disliking Walsh is not anti-British.

Ireland is part of the British Isles

I think you have to take my comment in the context of the post to which it was a reply.

"Ireland is part of the British Isles " pffft!

"Northern Ireland" is part of the United Kindgom. The other bit isn't. Walsh evidently grew up and worked in the part that isn't.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

 

[Brian Butterfield]

I hope everyone is clear on this. As you were.

 

[TheSpud]

Walsh did grow up and work in the non UK bit though

 

[elduggo]

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I started warming to her after Walsh started attacking her

A summary of what Walsh has said, for those of us who have him on 'Block'?

"You might have more sympathy for Lizzie Armitstead if the disputed test had been third of three, not first!"

"I wonder what Christine Ohuruogu things about Lizzie Armitstead missing 3 tests and NOT being banned? Same rule for everyone, right?"

 

[Benotti69]

"Never tested positive" sounds like the next PR spiel coming out of BC/Armistead team.

It stinks and when it stinks it means one thing.

 

[kwikki]

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"Never tested positive" sounds like the next PR spiel coming out of BC/Armistead team.

It stinks and when it stinks it means one thing.

Doping?

 

[Benotti69]

It would appear Armistead has been caught lying.

She claims to have contested 1st missed test at the time. UKAD Nicole Sapstead claims she didn't. Now Armistead said she couldn't as she was on a plane to USA and had no legal advice.

Stinks.

 

[TeflonDub]

1. Still trying to figure out how Simon Thornton, her personal minder from British cycling who she contacted regularly and checked on her whereabouts every two weeks, managed to have left BC three weeks earlier without her knowing.

2. Also trying to figure out how he would have detected that she had checked the wrong hour for testing at her new location. He would have seen she was in place X the day before at hour Y, and there's no way she could be in place Z the next day also at hour Y? And he was meant to figure all this out without any new info from Lizzie (what with the family emergency that cannot be named)? Really?

I have to assume Simon left BC to pursue a more lucrative career befitting his powers for clairvoyance.

 

[kwikki]

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It would appear Armistead has been caught lying.

She claims to have contested 1st missed test at the time. UKAD Nicole Sapstead claims she didn't. Now Armistead said she couldn't as she was on a plane to USA and had no legal advice.

Stinks.

I don't think you've got that quite right. Go back and read both statements again.

 

[Benotti69]

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It would appear Armistead has been caught lying.

She claims to have contested 1st missed test at the time. UKAD Nicole Sapstead claims she didn't. Now Armistead said she couldn't as she was on a plane to USA and had no legal advice.

Stinks.

I don't think you've got that quite right. Go back and read both statements again.

Armistead claims she received a letter from UKAD and immediately contested it with a written explanation.

https://twitter.com/velocast/status/760794441649119232

She has since changed that claim.

Lies.

 

[thehog]

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It would appear Armistead has been caught lying.

She claims to have contested 1st missed test at the time. UKAD Nicole Sapstead claims she didn't. Now Armistead said she couldn't as she was on a plane to USA and had no legal advice.

Stinks.

One might think the reason for not contesting was due to the "strike" being deliberate.

We most likely never know... she is now free to compete.

 

[ontheroad]

When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

 

[MartinGT]

Despite Armitsteads been a local rider to me I have never warmed to her. Whenever you saw her out (before her exile to Monaco) she would never acknowledge other riders. She always had an air of 'I am above you' to her.

I know she has had spats with Cooke so I dont doubt she has had spats outside the BC circle too.

This could be an interesting Olympic Games!

But what happens if she does take Gold? Well to the BC / GB sycophants its amazing. Queen E has got the gold and all is good.

The statement too where she is calling on the Twitter Army. Really? After what your fella did?! She is also calling out people like Katie Compton and Geoff Kabush. Come on Lizzie, must try harder.

 

[thehog]

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When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

 

[biker jk]

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When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

That is simply mind boggling.

 

[TrainTrack]

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When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

CAS is for sport in general; not for cycling.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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It would appear Armistead has been caught lying.

She claims to have contested 1st missed test at the time. UKAD Nicole Sapstead claims she didn't. Now Armistead said she couldn't as she was on a plane to USA and had no legal advice.

Stinks.

What she has said is that she sought to explain away the first test, offered UKAD her explanation, but when that was rejected she chose not to appeal.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

That is simply mind boggling.

It's also bull. Check the CAS site for recent decisions. There is usually a lag of at least a couple of months between a decision and it being published, often longer.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

That is simply mind boggling.

It's also bull. Check the CAS site for recent decisions. There is usually a lag of at least a couple of months between a decision and it being published, often longer.

Thanks for the correction...

 

[thehog]

Ignorance is not an acceptable defense..


http://www.ukad.org.uk/education/athletes/elite/whereabouts/

If you are staying in a hotel, you must ensure you have clearly specified your room number in the ‘Additional Information’ section on ADAMS and where possible that the hotel room is booked in your name so any Doping Control Officer can locate you easily.

Programme a phone alarm to remind you to check that you will be where you need to be for your designated time slot

Save the Whereabouts SMS number in your phone, make sure the service is activated in your ADAMS profile
Ask close friends and family to remind you to update, especially in the off-season or if on holiday
Ensure friends and family are aware of your obligations as an athlete in the NRTP
Print a copy of your ADAMS calendar for those who may need to be aware, such as coaches
Contact UKAD if you need help athlete@ukad.org.uk
Submit Whereabouts information ahead of the submission deadline, as this gives your NGB and UKAD the opportunity provide support if it is required

Keep on top of updating Whereabouts information, as a pattern of last-minute Whereabouts updates could damage the chances of receiving a reduced sanction after a Whereabouts violation
Make sure up-to-date email and phone numbers are saved in your ADAMS profile so reminders can be sent to you regarding submitting Whereabouts.

 

[ontheroad]

Re: Re:

When can the CAS reasoned decision be expected to be published?

Never. They no longer are required to publicly release the final decision. Transparency in the new age of cycling.

That is simply mind boggling.

It's also bull. Check the CAS site for recent decisions. There is usually a lag of at least a couple of months between a decision and it being published, often longer.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Why the shock? Look back at the delay between USADA's LA decision and their publishing the reasoned decision. There is a process for these things. It is a similar process to the one you will find in the public courts' system.

 

[gillan1969]

Ignorance is not an acceptable defense..


http://www.ukad.org.uk/education/athletes/elite/whereabouts/

If you are staying in a hotel, you must ensure you have clearly specified your room number in the ‘Additional Information’ section on ADAMS and where possible that the hotel room is booked in your name so any Doping Control Officer can locate you easily.

Programme a phone alarm to remind you to check that you will be where you need to be for your designated time slot

Save the Whereabouts SMS number in your phone, make sure the service is activated in your ADAMS profile
Ask close friends and family to remind you to update, especially in the off-season or if on holiday
Ensure friends and family are aware of your obligations as an athlete in the NRTP
Print a copy of your ADAMS calendar for those who may need to be aware, such as coaches
Contact UKAD if you need help athlete@ukad.org.uk
Submit Whereabouts information ahead of the submission deadline, as this gives your NGB and UKAD the opportunity provide support if it is required

Keep on top of updating Whereabouts information, as a pattern of last-minute Whereabouts updates could damage the chances of receiving a reduced sanction after a Whereabouts violation
Make sure up-to-date email and phone numbers are saved in your ADAMS profile so reminders can be sent to you regarding submitting Whereabouts.

indeed...the whereabouts timings are of the athlete's choosing are they not? if you are rooming with someone call it 07.30 or 08.00?

why choose a time when you specifically have your phone on silent?

assuming she doesn't forget to train and eat then there can't be many admin tasks to accomplish every day?? especially when the cost of failing to do so is so high?

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I find it bizarre that she and BC and UKAD are having a meeting back in December to ensure that she doesn't have a 3rd strike. That conversation would have been hilarious. "Well, you could stop testing ho ho ho" / "Well, you could stop doping ho ho ho"

At this point presumably she and BC were accepting the 1st missed test

 

[gillan1969]

indeed the best (and most definitive) way to stop having a third strike would be to stop having a second...which would be to appeal the first (if you had a case )