The Article: WSJ - reopened!

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The Hog does that from time to time. He's right though, it's going to take someone else who was there to blow the lid off things. And that someone doesn't have to be a rider. Could be the guys guarding the door. Or the ones responsible for Prepping the room. Or one of the doctors.

You'd think a couple of those guys would've stepped forward

 

[luckyboy]

People are gonna have to tell the truth when they're questioned anyway.

 

[shawnrohrbach]

You'd think a couple of those guys would've stepped forward

Perhaps they have and if the investigators have any respect for the truth, the law, the presumed innocence of the accused and all of those other wonderful things we left the British Empire to build in this country, they will not reveal anything until they are certain they can or must proceed with charges. Keep in mind, many very guilty people in this country have never been charged or publicly humiliated because the law was on their side and it may happen with the Flandis accusations just as easily. But, don't assume silence on the part of the investigators equals innocence or guilt. That the WSJ article is interesting but not explosive, is, in my opinion, partly due to the process of this type of investigation. As to when we will know, I was involved in two IT forensic investigations that were not made public until just before the statute of limitations expired and they found the smoking guns just in time, or at least made them public just in time.

 

[thehog]

Brilliant. Good summary of what you just stated: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38088837/ns/sports-tour_de_france/

Perhaps they have and if the investigators have any respect for the truth, the law, the presumed innocence of the accused and all of those other wonderful things we left the British Empire to build in this country, they will not reveal anything until they are certain they can or must proceed with charges. Keep in mind, many very guilty people in this country have never been charged or publicly humiliated because the law was on their side and it may happen with the Flandis accusations just as easily. But, don't assume silence on the part of the investigators equals innocence or guilt. That the WSJ article is interesting but not explosive, is, in my opinion, partly due to the process of this type of investigation. As to when we will know, I was involved in two IT forensic investigations that were not made public until just before the statute of limitations expired and they found the smoking guns just in time, or at least made them public just in time.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

It is not that this is new, though the extended details and further reference to corroboration is.

It is that this has gone past a tipping point where these are really not "unsubstantiated" any longer, simply by virtue that the Wall St. Journal put it to print. They toss this out there and they are the curing agent that makes the story stick.

From what has been passed on to me, there are many things omitted. Supposedly the injunction was a prank rumor, so anything left off was either held back for another story or could not pass review.

.....and the newspaper should stop reporting on crime, it is everywhere so why write about it?

blah blah blah blah............where is this damning article that was going to have LA in prison by now?

what a joke

 

[luckyboy]

When did anyone say that?

 

[Big GMaC]

blah blah blah blah............where is this damning article that was going to have LA in prison by now?

what a joke

You mean fraud investigation. Listening to Philandpaul seems to have led to you getting your words all jumbled up. Just like they do.

 

[Cloxxki]

I just had a small epiphany.

Is this the point where it's actually an substantial advantage to mankind (and sports justice in particular) that the US don't have a Texan president anymore?
Did Lance overstay his welcome? Obama may be a poker buddy of sorts to His Lanceness, but he's sure not a riding buddy to [degrading denomination backspaced by poster]. With Junior, he had a bromance going. Somehow I think there will be less warm feelings between half-Hussain and Redneck.

Anyway, hiding from the press looks bad on Lance.
I just hope the feds don't hang from someone's strings who's being tickled by Lance. UCI ain't no use. In stead of investigating Verbruggen and McQuack, they don't waste time to deny Landis' serious accusations. Like their word would be better than man's standing back to the wall?

 

[Kender]

I wish Landis had put less emphasis on Armstrong in his allegations, to make them come across even more sincere. But, the message stays the same, and he needs to cash in, as he'll never be allowed to even win a carnival race, unless things really change in cycling.

well judging by the WSJ article he's winning the current carnival race

 

[Cal_Joe]

When did anyone say that?

Well, it is hard to search over 1100 posts in this thread and related threads, but if my memory serves me correctly LA was supposed to be extradited from France many weeks ago, shortly after the TOC. Also, the posts in this thread (and others) indicate that the Flandis disclosures were so damning and sufficiently corroborated that after the extradition LA would have been indicted, booked, held on a no bail provision, and possibly convicted by now. That is why he did not start the TDS or TDF.

But I have noticed that there might possibly been an odd post here or there that is (possibly) speculative in nature, so I understand your confusion.

The definitive word is that LA will be taken into custody on September 5th of this year. Had lunch with Novitsky today and he seemed really ****ed - he said - and I quote - "If someone doesn't buy Cavendish a pair of training wheels I am going to lock up every damn person from HTC, and that includes the team, mechanics, DS, nobody will be spared."

When I asked him about LA, he said LA was small potatoes compared to Ball/Rock Racing. They kept data in their accounting system.

Hope this helps.

 

[Polish]

Haven't read all these posts.
One of the three is NOT Frankie.

No doubt, one of the three is NOT Frankie lol.

As a matter of fact - two of the three are NOT Frankie either.

but that third one hmmmm....



elizab, if you read this, please pass my fanboy comments to your husband-

I thought he was GREAT "in the booth" on the Versus coverage today!
He is articulate, very cycling smart duh, and has the looks of a TV anchor.

He could replace Phil someday, and I mean that as a HUGE compliment.

 

[stephens]

But you might ask him to check who is riding Merckx bikes. I think it's Quickstep, not Omega as he mentioned in his piece on Meise.

 

[Barrus]

What's interesting is that here in the Netherlands the most read and most pro-Lance paper, de Telegraaf just ran an article this morning about the article, not really mentioning specifics but more casting a doubt over Lance. This is especially telling because this paper has a weekly column by Johan Bruyneel

 

[Mont Ventoux]

What's interesting is that here in the Netherlands the most read and most pro-Lance paper, de Telegraaf just ran an article this morning about the article, not really mentioning specifics but more casting a doubt over Lance. This is especially telling because this paper has a weekly column by Johan Bruyneel

Thanks for indicating this Barrus.
Johan's time will arrive soon as well, and the Radioshack team will fold like a cheap chinese tent.

 

[Roland Rat]

Interesting blog here. http://networkedblogs.com/5qOvd

I think (hope) he's just trying to create a debate, otherwise it's a bit offputting that a young cyclist doesn't think doping is a bad thing.

 

[smaryka]

Interesting blog here. http://networkedblogs.com/5qOvd

I think (hope) he's just trying to create a debate, otherwise it's a bit offputting that a young cyclist doesn't think doping is a bad thing.

That guy needs to give his head a shake.

Getting pretty sick of people pulling the old "if LA is guilty, then cancer research will suffer, therefore leave him alone and pretend it's all right" argument.

Such crap.

 

[palmerq]

Interesting article... some interesting details there.. but i think armstrong will get away with it.. I dont see any real evidence.. although i am not a lawyer but proecuters will need more evidence than just a couple of guys saying something and I doubt the investigators will get any of the big fellows to talk unless they have some good evidence(which I dont think they do :S).. Although i guess vaughters was one of the fellows who was talking to the wall street journal.

Maybe something is going on in france though(with the syringes or whatever last year)... lemonds prediction was very strange and there was the rumour that radioshack were out of the tour...

 

[guilder]

Floyd gets offered a few bucks to talk about himself.
Then he gets offered 100 times that to talk about LA.

The "bike for drugs" story sounds like something FL would do.

 

[elizab]

No doubt, one of the three is NOT Frankie lol.

As a matter of fact - two of the three are NOT Frankie either.

but that third one hmmmm....



elizab, if you read this, please pass my fanboy comments to your husband-

I thought he was GREAT "in the booth" on the Versus coverage today!
He is articulate, very cycling smart duh, and has the looks of a TV anchor.

He could replace Phil someday, and I mean that as a HUGE compliment.

The same Frankie whose photo is hanging above your toilet?
I was in Chicago for the weekend and have yet to see or hear Frankie asking his "stock" questions. I asked him to ask some real questions. Seriously can you imagine Frankie asking, "Your response to the WSJ stated what has been claimed about your alleged doping is 'based on the allegations of ax-grinders'. That said, why did you then request that I and I alone interview you for Versus last year since I could be considered an 'ax grinder'?" Stock questions, however, is what you can expect.

 

[elizab]

maybe this is why betsy is so up in arms

Seriously, I never had to worry about Frankie cheating on me with a stripper. First things first, he likes his woman homely and fat. I meet the criteria. Secondly, he's too lazy to cheat (philandering requires a bit of energy). Thirdly, he's too cheap to stick a buck in Juicy Sally's bikini.

Man, these Cape Cod kettle potato chips are really good. I wish they weren't greasy though - makes typing a bit of a mess.

 

[MacRoadie]

Seriously, I never had to worry about Frankie cheating on me with a stripper. First things first, he likes his woman homely and fat. I meet the criteria. Secondly, he's too lazy to cheat (philandering requires a bit of energy). Thirdly, he's too cheap to stick a buck in Juicy Sally's bikini.

Man, these Cape Cod kettle potato chips are really good. I wish they weren't greasy though - makes typing a bit of a mess.

Don't forget that the city cancelled that bus route that runs between the trailer park and the strip club and it's too far to walk (since he's so lazy)...

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Seriously, I never had to worry about Frankie cheating on me with a stripper. First things first, he likes his woman homely and fat. I meet the criteria. Secondly, he's too lazy to cheat (philandering requires a bit of energy). Thirdly, he's too cheap to stick a buck in Juicy Sally's bikini.

Man, these Cape Cod kettle potato chips are really good. I wish they weren't greasy though - makes typing a bit of a mess.

in my experience being around people who compromise their values even just once..........it always goes further down the road

it just makes it that much easier to do once your values are compromised.....

 

[MacRoadie]

in my experience being around people who compromise their values even just once..........it always goes further down the road

it just makes it that much easier to do once your values are compromised.....

John 8:7 much?

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

John 8:7 much?

more like life lessons traveling the world

I've seen MANY lazy guys cheat on their women for no other reason than poppin a nut.......sad but never the less...........true

 

[MacRoadie]

more like life lessons traveling the world

I've seen MANY lazy guys cheat on their women for no other reason than poppin a nut.......sad but never the less...........true

And how does this relate to Frankie Andreu?