The Beatles

[Carboncrank]

hung out with John Cipollina of Quicksilver back in the old days. his brother
Mario went on to play bass with Huey Lewis and The News.
i think Duke Ellington said it best about music. "if it sounds good, it is good".
being an emotional medium, it is totally a subjective thing. in my work i am involved with all kinds of music,and some i like more than others, but hearing
live music by anyone who can play is usually good.

the ellington quote is actually "“There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind.”

 

[Carboncrank]

congratulations.. all you have to do is add she loves you to that list and your found the worst beatles songs to use an as example..

for me, as already mentioned by someone, the B side of abbey road is amazing, most of the white album is superb, shes leaving home, ballad of john and joke, the tail end of the let it be album, and rain..

thought i still think band on the run rivals anything the beatles produced..

oh man... day tripper? a song about d*ck teasing? way cool.

and i feel fine is the first use of guitar feedback (a rickebackerer no less).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM2eiWDa6Mo

the music industry was trying to force feed us frauds like the dave clark five, ricky nelson, fabian, and the four season when the beatles hit. we could tell there was something beyond the fab 4 image for the 14 year old girls, and over the next 5 years they proved us right. (to their credit, most of the 14 year old girls could tell too.)

 

[usedtobefast]

the ellington quote is actually "“There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind.”

he said the other quote as well.

 

[usedtobefast]

the ellington quote is actually "“There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind.”

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke_Ellington

he said both quotes and a lot of other cool things as well.

 

[Carboncrank]

Music has always been in the hands of the artists if all they wanted to do was play music. If you wanted to get rich, then you played the game of the time.

TFF, you ignorant sl#t. most of the arts, especially music, is feast or famine. it's not even a matter of getting rich. there's very little middle ground between being a bar band and being big time. you think they should have played the cavern in germany until they were 40. then what?
the money they made gave them the power. without the power sgt pepper's, the greatest concept album ever made, the absolute cutting edge of studio art at the time that took months of studio time, doesn't GET made.
early interviews with george where he talks about how he thought they'd be famous only for a year or two and he hoped to have a career "in the music buisiness.

As for the drugs, all I can say is at least people like Jello were doing them for the real reason people do them, because they like the effect. They weren't trying to create some unrealistic utopia where everyone turned on, tuned in, and dropped out. "Hey man, we can change the world if we just get everyone high enough."

i see psychedelics is another topic you are astoundingly ignorant of.
there is a you down under you. i've found that people that aren't curious about that aren't worth knowing.

 

[Carboncrank]

Music has always been in the hands of the artists if all they wanted to do was play music. If you wanted to get rich, then you played the game of the time.

TFF, you ignorant sl#t. most of the arts, especially music, is feast or famine. it's not even a matter of getting rich. there's very little middle ground between being a bar band and being big time. you think they should have played the cavern in germany until they were 40. then what?
the money they made gave them the power. without the power sgt pepper's, the greatest concept album ever made, the absolute cutting edge of studio art at the time that took months of studio time, doesn't GET made.
early interviews with george where he talks about how he thought they'd be famous only for a year or two and he hoped to have a career "in the music buisiness.

As for the drugs, all I can say is at least people like Jello were doing them for the real reason people do them, because they like the effect. They weren't trying to create some unrealistic utopia where everyone turned on, tuned in, and dropped out. "Hey man, we can change the world if we just get everyone high enough."

i see psychedelics is another topic you are astoundingly ignorant of.
there is a you down under you. i've found that people that aren't curious about that aren't worth knowing.

 

[Carboncrank]

the concert called Summer Jam in 73 was bigger than woodstock by a couple of hundred thousand.
i missed out on woodstock... i was not about to miss out on Summer Jam

it was the Dead, the band and the allman bros.

getting there was an adventure as we had to find our way around roadblocks set up because there were to many people already there.
i got familiar with some dirt roads and found my way past the cops. was not to be denied after driving from ohio to ny all night.

i'm not a dead head but admit to enjoying their 4 hour set.
"the band" was just perfect. another great 4 hour set.. interupted by a thunderstom...
allman brother played their guts out. absoulty spectacular. unforgettable rock and roll. they played from 10 pm until 2 am.. another 4 hour show.

then all the player got together and jammed ending with a long johnny b good until 3:30 am.

600,000 people. 1 in every 400 americans at the time, were there.

am i the only one here that was there?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

it was the Dead, the band and the allman bros.

What incredibly good music.....

Susan

 

[Anonymous]

TFF, you ignorant sl#t. most of the arts, especially music, is feast or famine. it's not even a matter of getting rich. there's very little middle ground between being a bar band and being big time. you think they should have played the cavern in germany until they were 40. then what?
the money they made gave them the power. without the power sgt pepper's, the greatest concept album ever made, the absolute cutting edge of studio art at the time that took months of studio time, doesn't GET made.
early interviews with george where he talks about how he thought they'd be famous only for a year or two and he hoped to have a career "in the music buisiness.

Blah, blah, blah. Um...I have known, personally, musicians from every range of that scale. Multi-millionaires to a guy who plays guitar on the street for fun. I have friends who are still slogging their way through the bar band scene, and have been for years. You have no revelations regarding this that are any way significant to me. When I lived in Athens GA, all I did was work, ride, get clean and sober, and go hear bands. Funny thing is that from all three of those things, I met more musicians than I can remember and became good friends with many of them. Save your information for people who don't know any better.

i see psychedelics is another topic you are astoundingly ignorant of.
there is a you down under you. i've found that people that aren't curious about that aren't worth knowing.

You are astoundingly ignorant of my past. What you just wrote is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. No, I speak from much experience, and that experience is that psychedelics are a merry go round, and people who insist that there is some great benefit from them are losers. There is nothing real there, it is all fantasy bullsh!t. I could go on for days, but people who believe the stupid things you do aren't worth knowing.

 

[Anonymous]

the concert called Summer Jam in 73 was bigger than woodstock by a couple of hundred thousand.
i missed out on woodstock... i was not about to miss out on Summer Jam

it was the Dead, the band and the allman bros.

getting there was an adventure as we had to find our way around roadblocks set up because there were to many people already there.
i got familiar with some dirt roads and found my way past the cops. was not to be denied after driving from ohio to ny all night.

i'm not a dead head but admit to enjoying their 4 hour set.
"the band" was just perfect. another great 4 hour set.. interupted by a thunderstom...
allman brother played their guts out. absoulty spectacular. unforgettable rock and roll. they played from 10 pm until 2 am.. another 4 hour show.

then all the player got together and jammed ending with a long johnny b good until 3:30 am.

600,000 people. 1 in every 400 americans at the time, were there.

am i the only one here that was there?

Looks like a crowd of real winners to me!:

Wow dude Bitchin'!!!. You hippies were real neat freaks:

 

[usedtobefast]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ruttles

all you need is cheese....

 

[krebs303]

You hippies were real neat freaks:

You're either on the bus or off the bus.
Ken Kesey

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Blah, blah, blah. Um...I have known, personally, musicians from every range of that scale. Multi-millionaires to a guy who plays guitar on the street for fun. I have friends who are still slogging their way through the bar band scene, and have been for years. You have no revelations regarding this that are any way significant to me. When I lived in Athens GA, all I did was work, ride, get clean and sober, and go hear bands. Funny thing is that from all three of those things, I met more musicians than I can remember and became good friends with many of them. Save your information for people who don't know any better.



You are astoundingly ignorant of my past. What you just wrote is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. No, I speak from much experience, and that experience is that psychedelics are a merry go round, and people who insist that there is some great benefit from them are losers. There is nothing real there, it is all fantasy bullsh!t. I could go on for days, but people who believe the stupid things you do aren't worth knowing.

TTF is heavily into self-congratulation. You can't win with narcissists like this; they're always right and they can, but have no need to, "go on for days."

And don't bother pointing out their inconsistencies (Comparing Beatles unfavourably to Dylan, only to belittle the latter later on; writing off the Stones et al as druggies only to defend the likes of Jello Biafra's appropriate usage of them and championing other well-known abusers like Keith Moon.)

I'm glad you like music and I hope it brings happiness to you. Questions relating to Aesthetics (music, the arts) may or may not be absolute, but one thing will not wash: being a troll and arguing poorly. It aint funny, either.

If this is your idea of fun, of a sport, get a better hobby.

 

[Anonymous]

TTF is heavily into self-congratulation. You can't win with narcissists like this; they're always right and they can, but have no need to, "go on for days."

And don't bother pointing out their inconsistencies (Comparing Beatles unfavourably to Dylan, only to belittle the latter later on; writing off the Stones et al as druggies only to defend the likes of Jello Biafra's appropriate usage of them and championing other well-known abusers like Keith Moon.)

I'm glad you like music and I hope it brings happiness to you. Questions relating to Aesthetics (music, the arts) may or may not be absolute, but one thing will not wash: being a troll and arguing poorly. It aint funny, either.

If this is your idea of fun, of a sport, get a better hobby.

I never belittled Dylan. You can't read. I belittled hippie culture. Dylan was something different from that.

As for my argument, it is an opinion. You have them too. Welcome to the world hypocrite.

And its TFF, not TTF douchebag. Again with the reading thing.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

I never belittled Dylan. You can't read. I belittled hippie culture. Dylan was something different from that.

As for my argument, it is an opinion. You have them too. Welcome to the world hypocrite.

And its TFF, not TTF douchebag. Again with the reading thing.

I look forward to your forthcoming book 'How to lose friends, alienate people, become an angry old codge and get people to throw rocks at you.'

Opinions are not merely fre-floating, interpersonally-untouchable things: that would entail relativism, and if the way you express yourself is any guide, you certainly don't believe in that. You express your opinions like they are absolute, self-evident truths (which is presumably also why you don't bother to back them up, regress to abusing anyone who states something that challenges you and show a general lack of intellectual honesty.)

You mentioned the ancient Greeks earlier. Plato wrote that one can learn virtue by observing vice. Thank you for teaching me how not to be.

 

[Anonymous]

I look forward to your forthcoming book 'How to lose friends, alienate people, become an angry old codge and get people to throw rocks at you.'

Opinions are not merely fre-floating, interpersonally-untouchable things: that would entail relativism, and if the way you express yourself is any guide, you certainly don't believe in that. You express your opinions like they are absolute, self-evident truths (which is presumably also why you don't bother to back them up, regress to abusing anyone who states something that challenges you and show a general lack of intellectual honesty.)

You mentioned the ancient Greeks earlier. Plato wrote that one can learn virtue by observing vice. Thank you for teaching me how not to be.

Um, to me they are self-evident. You are allowed to hold any you want. That is the way opinions work. If I didn't hold my opinions to be true, then they wouldn't be opinions worth holding.

If you read (yes, I know it is a challenge for you), you will see that I merely meet insult with insult. (Grew up under Reagan, so escalation is my game plan in such things.) I didn't quote your post or address you in any way. You did that. What Plato failed to impart is that one can learn best by observing one's own vice instead of self-righteously judging that of others. Like too many here, you fail the introspection test.

Oh, and I think you also might look into why you felt the need to address me when I was corresponding with another who is capable of defending himself. There is usually a sick motive under that one. You can send me a check for the psychotherapy, though from the looks of it, you need someone you can see in a more therapeutic setting.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Everybody please calm down. Accept the fact that other people have different opinions and that this does not make them in any way inferior.

Any additional over-reactions will be edited out.

Susan

 

[CycloErgoSum]

I urge the moderators and editors to close this thread as it was conceived as, and has proven to be, a platform for abuse. An argument can be made that the mods and eds are culpable for letting it run so long to the obvious glee of certain members.

 

[Anonymous]

I urge the moderators and editors to close this thread as it was conceived as, and has proven to be, a platform for abuse. An argument can be made that the mods and eds are culpable for letting it run so long to the obvious glee of certain members.

Why don't you just ignore this thread? Even if what you state above is 100% correct my question to you is "so what"?

Platform for abuse? How about fairly innocent banter about something that makes absolutely no difference BUT is somewhat entertaining?

Just relax... it'll be ok.

 

[Anonymous]

I urge the moderators and editors to close this thread as it was conceived as, and has proven to be, a platform for abuse. An argument can be made that the mods and eds are culpable for letting it run so long to the obvious glee of certain members.

You want some cheese with that whine?

Look, I understand that you think the Beatles are the be-all end-all of music. I don't. Like SoCal suggested, you have 2 easy solutions: Ignore me (if you need instructions, I will gladly help you) and/or Don't read the freaking thread. Your martyr of the forums act is a bit played Fonzie.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

You want some cheese with that whine?

Look, I understand that you think the Beatles are the be-all end-all of music. I don't. Like SoCal suggested, you have 2 easy solutions: Ignore me (if you need instructions, I will gladly help you) and/or Don't read the freaking thread. Your martyr of the forums act is a bit played Fonzie.

Hmmm, weren't you just castigating me for stepping in for someone to protest your awful demeanor? You said they are perfectly capable of defending themselves without my help? Now you're co-opting SoCal to do your bidding? Another inconsistency! It's true that bullies like to isolate their victims by ganging up and hate collective resistance.

I don't mind you don't like the Beatles. You've made that abundantly clear. Like you, I also like some of the music you've mentioned. A bit of common ground there. I ignored this thread for ages and returned to it when I saw a new post added. What I found was that you were up to your old tricks, only more aggressive and abusive. Boo-hurrah emotivism is very boring and is more than a little distasteful when the abuse comes in. With a debate currently raging in another thread about trolls I thought it remiss if I didn't address one. That and I find bullies so ugly in any context.

Your tactics are the antithesis of good argument and intrinsic satisfaction. Maybe it's a guy thing to enjoy this type of thing and get kicks out of it, if not because of the way you're born but the way you're socialised, vis a vis the Reagan era as you have mentioned (by way of excuse?). He's as dead as his economics. It's you who have to move on and learn a better way of adapting. I wouldn't think you'd cite the GOP as an influence as you earlier seemed to criticise the American voting public for electing Bush twice. That was actually a good rebuttal on your behalf, as you had (perhaps unknowingly?) rebuked a fallacy of informal reasoning called 'the fallacy of popularity.'

Isn't it nice to give and receive compliments? To posit, rebut, argue, synthesise, learn and grow! If you and others on here find that too lame, boring and not macho enough (strange, because people become successful by doing it), then I think I will take your advice and leave you boys to your fun.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Why don't you just ignore this thread? Even if what you state above is 100% correct my question to you is "so what"?

Platform for abuse? How about fairly innocent banter about something that makes absolutely no difference BUT is somewhat entertaining?

Just relax... it'll be ok.

It's just a bit inconsistent to tolerate trolling and abuse in this thread as its preferred eradication is being debated in another. And I don't think what has transpired here can be classified as fairly innocent banter. Taking pleasure in injury isn't entertaining. Maybe during the Crusades...

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm, weren't you just castigating me for stepping in for someone to protest your awful demeanor? You said they are perfectly capable of defending themselves without my help? It's true that bullies like to isolate their victims and hate collective resistance.

I don't mind you don't like the Beatles. You've made that abundantly clear. Like you, I also like some of the music you've mentioned. A bit of common ground there. I ignored this thread for ages and returned to it when I saw a new post added. What I found was that you were up to your old tricks, only more aggressive and abusive. Boo-hurrah emotivism is very boring and is more than a little distasteful when the abuse comes in. With a debate currently raging in another thread about trolls I thought it remiss if I didn't address one. That and I find bullies so ugly in any context.

Your tactics are the antithesis of good argument and intrinsic satisfaction. Maybe it's a guy thing to enjoy this type of thing and get kicks out of it, if not because of the way you're born but the way you're socialised, vis a vis the Reagan era as you have mentioned (by way of excuse?). He's as dead as his economics. It's you who have to move on and learn a better way of adapting. I wouldn't think you'd cite the GOP as an influence as you earlier seemed to criticise the American voting public for electing Bush twice. That was actually a good rebuttal on your behalf, as you had (perhaps unknowingly?) rebuked a fallacy of informal reasoning called 'the fallacy of popularity.'

Isn't it nice to give and receive compliments? To posit, rebut, argue, synthesise, learn and grow! If you and others on here find that too lame, boring and not macho enough (strange, because people become successful by doing it), then I think I will take your advice and leave you boys to your fun.

Your inability to address your own foibles is interesting to me. You come in swinging at me, and whine about it like a 2nd grader. Maybe put on your big girl panties today and look inward, it will do you good. You might also check post #109, notice the insult, and then write on the dry erase (it is 2010) board, "I will not be a hypocrite today" 100 times. Sorry you cannot take the fact that I neither like The Beatles, nor respect the opinions of Carboncrank (who also started his correspondence with me by insulting me).

Another thing, you write too much. Say it with fewer words, your tiresome blather speaks of an inflated sense of self that is truly undeserved.

One last thing, as a friend of mine says, "Spot it, got it." Seriously, honest self appraisal is not overrated. Read your own posts, and break them down. You appear to be capable.

 

[Anonymous]

Tell you what, I will be the adult here and fix the problem. You are now on "Ignore." Have a nice life hypocrite!

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Could someone please quote what TFF has said. I've ignored him. If it's more of the same, don't bother. I'll go somewhere else for stimulating discussion on cycling and other topics.