The Chris Squared Thread

[BYOP88]

It would be foolish to pretend the Horner that was racing today was the same Horner that was in the Vuelta. Dropping out of TA with an achilles issue, followed by food poisoning and antibiotics.

Might was well claim this stage proves Quintana is a better climber then Froome

He is on Wednesdays and Saturdays. #Fact

 

[Race Radio]

He is on Wednesdays and Saturdays. #Fact

True

Quintana's performance might have been one of the best today. Not exactly his type of climb. He has been sick and on antibiotics last week. Impressive

 

[red_flanders]

It would be foolish to pretend the Horner that was racing today was the same Horner that was in the Vuelta. Dropping out of TA with an achilles issue, followed by food poisoning and antibiotics.

Might was well claim this stage proves Quintana is a better climber then Froome

No one is pretending anything. You do use that word a lot. Loses meaning and very much a strawman.

Neither one is at full strength obviously.

 

[Race Radio]

No one is pretending anything. You do use that word a lot. Loses meaning and very much a strawman.

Neither one is at full strength obviously.

Obvious to most....

Big day for the Chris's!

Froome is winning!

 

[thehog]

It's a bit numpty comparing L'Angliru at 142km, 12km in length and ramping up to the insanity of 23% to Ventoux @ 232km, 22km, ramping up around 8%.

Also comparing L'Angliru to Heras at 172km, who couldn't use compact/MTB gear set or Contador at 210km.

Especially in bad weather.

Or using Pena stage at 140km and 5km straight line to Ventoux.

At the moment both are off colour but I do anticipate tomorrow. More so Contador v Froome.

Should be good! Can't wait!

 

[the sceptic]

Obvious to most....

We are only pretending Froome beat Horner today?

 

[Race Radio]

We are only pretending Froome beat Horner today?

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[thehog]

We are only pretending Froome beat Horner today?

Horner is a wee bit injured so it doesn't count. Even though Froome has a sore back and still won it doesn't count

I jest. As I said on the thread proper, today was a little short and cold. Manana will be interesting.

 

[Netserk]

It would be foolish to pretend the Horner that was racing today was the same Horner that was in the Vuelta. Dropping out of TA with an achilles issue, followed by food poisoning and antibiotics.

Might was well claim this stage proves Quintana is a better climber then Froome

Yeah unlike the Dawg who rode T-A without any problems

 

[Rollthedice]

Horner abandoned today. Tendinitis.

 

[del1962]

Horner abandoned today. Tendinitis.

Can't see him riding the Giro

 

[neineinei]

Can't see him riding the Giro

A little surgery and he will be fit as a fiddle for TdF.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

We are only pretending Froome beat Horner today?

Horner is a wee bit injured so it doesn't count. Even though Froome has a sore back and still won it doesn't count

I jest. As I said on the thread proper, today was a little short and cold. Manana will be interesting.

You guys make a cute couple. Where are you registered? I want to make sure I get you a nice gift.

Annnnyyyway, I think other riders are moving much closer to Chris Squared this year because clean cycling will always accelerate the natural talents of the entire peloton and ensure that, now that clean cycling is the way to beat dopers as proved by Brailsford's predictions, we have a much more level playing field. Too bad that Old Glory Chris had to ditch the race thereby giving Union Jack Chris (I don't know the nickname for Kenya's flag...I emailed Obama to check, but he hasn't gotten back to me) a tick in the head-to-head win column.

 

[Race Radio]

Yeah unlike the Dawg who rode T-A without any problems

Um, why are you confused? I am not pretending either of them is on form, it is clear they are not. I also didn't pretend that Horner was on form at last years TA when he dropped out with a knee injury.

 

[Netserk]

Um, why are you confused? I am not pretending either of them is on form, it is clear they are not. I also didn't pretend that Horner was on form at last years TA when he dropped out with a knee injury.

He didn't drop out of last year's Tirreno.

 

[Race Radio]

He didn't drop out of last year's Tirreno.

True.....but he could not ride without pain for months after it due to the knee issues that showed up during it.

Like most knee issues it was due to his alignment (And his age). The body overcompensates for a while but eventually it can't and pain is usually the message to stop. By that time it is too late

 

[thehog]

He didn't drop out of last year's Tirreno.

Correct. It would be pretending to pretend he dropped out.

He hurt his knee on the final road stage. On Prati he was fine when Froome decimated him.

Horner traces the problem back to the final road stage of Tirreno Adriatico, a gruelling day which saw the riders tackle the wall-like Muro di Sant'Elpidio climb in wet, cold conditions. He believes a combination of those weather conditions plus the nature of the climb is what aggravated his leg

“I don’t think it was equipment related at all, but completely down to that stage. I was with Nibali when he was attacking on the last time up that very steep climb. At that point in time it had been raining, it had been cold, it was coming to the end of a tough six hour race. The climb is so steep that I had to adjust my position dramatically on the bike, so that the back tyre didn’t spin…you have to keep weight on the back tyre. Also because the gearing was so large, I had to stand up because you are pushing twenty rpms up this climb.

“My belief is that it was the equivalent of doing one of the hardest bike races in the world, then jumping off multiple times during that race, going to the gym and doing one legged squats. I am pretty certain that is what did it, because it was sore the next day for the time trial.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-France-chasing-form-for-Vuelta-a-Espana.aspx

 

[Race Radio]

He hurt his knee on the final road stage. On Prati he was fine when Froome decimated him.

It would be pretending to pretend that his knee issue happen due to one rainy climb. Even Chris said it was due to an alignment issue. The pain appears in connective tissue because your body has been overcompensating over time.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/horner-to-miss-tour-of-california-with-knee-pain_285406

I have an alignment problem

IT issues are due to overuse over time. You are welcome to pretend it was due to one ride in the rain but don't expect people to agree with you

http://www.athletico.com/2012/06/05/it-band-syndrome-the-top-5-causes-and-solutions/

 

[thehog]

“It is possible I have an alignment problem,” Horner said in a press release. “We will examine all possibilities. I want to race again. All of the doctors I have visited are optimistic that it will heal again, but it just needs time. The problem is that nobody is able to tell me how much time I need.

Not pretending to leave out the word "possible".

Spot the difference and how sentence completely changes it's meaning;

"It is possible I have an alignment problem."

"I have an alignment problem."


- That's very naughty changing the quote like that.

 

[red_flanders]

I don’t think it was equipment related at all, but completely down to that stage.

I am pretty certain that is what did it, because it was sore the next day for the time trial.

Pretty obvious he's referring to the climb on the previous day (note the singular).

Not sure the point of arguing with about this when the primary source lays it out as clearly as could be.

 

[Race Radio]

Not pretending to leave out the word "possible".

Spot the difference and how sentence completely changes it's meaning.

"It is possible I have an alignment problem."

"I have an alignment problem."


- That's very naughty changing the quote like that.

Very naughty of you ignoring this

Horner has suffered from iliotibial band friction syndrome

and pretending it was one ride in the rain that caused it. Naughty, naughty

There is plenty about it on the the internet that talks about how in cyclists it result of positioning and alignment. No mention of riding in the rain though.

http://www.alexreisner.com/blog/it-band

 

[Netserk]

@RR

I do think Froome was closer to his July level in T-A last year than Horner was to his Vuelta level, but your post does give the impression that you are biased.

 

[Race Radio]

Pretty obvious he's referring to the climb on the previous day (note the singular).

Not sure the point of arguing with about this when the primary source lays it out as clearly as could be.

If you read my posts you can see that Dr. Horner's initial diagnosis was incorrect. One ride in the rain does not cause iliotibial band friction syndrome

 

[Race Radio]

@RR

I do think Froome was closer to his July level in T-A last year than Horner was to his Vuelta level, but your post does give the impression that you are biased.

No bias, just numbers. Horner in the Vuelta was a faster climber then Froome at the Tour. The numbers support this. W/kg support it.

Of course many would like to pretend that this is about who is the bigger doper or who rode faster in 2010, 11, 12, but that is not what I am talking about

Froome is clearly not on form now. Neither is Horner. I think we have seldom see "Full gas Froome" A few times at the 2011 Vuelta, 2012 Tour. Same thing for Horner. ToC, Vuelta.

 

[red_flanders]

If you read my posts you can see that Dr. Horner's initial diagnosis was incorrect. One ride in the rain does not cause iliotibial band friction syndrome

Interesting. So you know better than Horner what caused Horner's injury? I must be missing something because that can't really be what you're saying.