The Chris Squared Thread

[del1962]

Well, Walsh is a "journalist" who is really a PR person in disguise unless you're talking about an American...and then he puts his "journalist" hat on...so he is much more odious...lets call him an Atomic Jockstrap Sniffer...and there is nothing more loathsome than a "journalist" turned fanboy.

Thats because Walsh has never called athletes out from his own country, not even his own countries cycling super hero and triple crown winner

 

[meat puppet]

and now for something completely different:

the good doc's take on yesterday is interesting. split bars - so, assuming 23% efficiency and 85% of VO2max FTPs, even yesterday's modest 5,9 w/kg-ish performances imply that horner and nibali would have beaten a rider with a 90ml/kg/min VO2max. and 90ml is, well, a lot.

however, a rider doped to 95ml/kg/min would have ridden away from them.

just like the quickest climbers in TDF did while they destroyed the doped hypothetical rider too and put two bars up.

performance implies physiology. the numbers say that either ****ing on horner while remaining agnostic about froome is rather dishonest. or 85+ vo2maxes can be attained just like that.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well, Walsh is a "journalist" who is really a PR person in disguise unless you're talking about an American...and then he puts his "journalist" hat on...so he is much more odious...lets call him an Atomic Jockstrap Sniffer...and there is nothing more loathsome than a "journalist" turned fanboy.

Oh well, "nice" shot at Walsh. But i rather believe him, who did some great investigation on LA, than trusting unfounded double standard posters in the clinic who praise a grandpa as non-doper, the same time hack away on Froome/Sky.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

and there is nothing more loathsome than a "journalist" turned fanboy.

Lawyers must be up there as well, no?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It seems that the Yanks are here en masse defending Horner and the only person laying into Horner is someone from Germany who says they are undecided about Froome.

Nice try with trying to divert all the Horner attention to the 'stupid British "fans" though'.

Yop, they try to twist reality so it fits their US-POV...
I am not british. I am critical about Wiggins. I am unsure about Froome....
But when i see over-the-top-doping i call it out (see my Mosquera thread, the AC-thread, the call of DiLuca and Astarloza). I just count 1+1, which is two.

While those Horner defenders, Sky accusers count 1+1 = 5.

At least Hog follows his path. He thinks both are heavy cheaters. That POV i have no problem with. He get´s all the credibility. And Walsh of course, or RaceRadio...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Foxxy why are Contador's performances indicative of over the top doping and Froome's not? You are biased too you just don't want to admit it.

Also I am neither British nor American and I believe both Froome and Horner are dopers.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Agreed. Horner has the palmares of a climber. Froome is nothing but a fraud designed to appeal to desperately stupid British "fans".

Agreed but Horner is a doper too. But Froome is just a lab experiment. That's why Froome is worse imo.

 

[Cyivel]

Brailsford's Monster.

 

[jonasnielsen]

...I am unsure about Froome....
But when i see over-the-top-doping i call it out

Wait...what?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yop, they try to twist reality so it fits their US-POV...
I am not british. I am critical about Wiggins. I am unsure about Froome....
But when i see over-the-top-doping i call it out (see my Mosquera thread, the AC-thread, the call of DiLuca and Astarloza). I just count 1+1, which is two.

While those Horner defenders, Sky accusers count 1+1 = 5.

At least Hog follows his path. He thinks both are heavy cheaters. That POV i have no problem with. He get´s all the credibility. And Walsh of course, or RaceRadio...

Wait...what?

You do your homeworks. Search the clinic since 2009. I called the above mentioned before they were caught by the officials... but i don´t accuse everybody like some here do (& then by chance hit the jackpot occasionally); who then defend an obviously doped grandpa.

 

[ChrisE]

I think he probably just knows very little about cycling. I find that's common among Froome defenders.

He used to get his cycling knowledge from the comments on youtube. I would have thought he had progressed since then.

 

[sniper]

You do your homeworks. Search the clinic since 2009. I called the above mentioned before they were caught by the officials... but i don´t accuse everybody like some here do (& then by chance hit the jackpot occasionally); who then defend an obviously doped grandpa.

if you've followed the news in the past decade or so, you probably know what the odds are. no bookmaker in this world is gonna pay you jackpot for betting on froome being a doper. more like jack****.

 

[ChrisE]

1997 [Frankreich] 2e in Lorient, Frankreich
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 3e in Thrift Drug Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 2e in Nevada City Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Frankreich] 3e in GP Ouest France, Frankreich
1999 [Frankreich] 2e in 8. Etappe Circuit de Lorraine, Hayange (Lorraine), Frankreich

That´s it in his first europe stint at age 26-28. Nothing, really nothing... then no new contract offered (understandable).... After coming back to europe he signed with highly suspicious teams like Saunier, Astana and Radioshack... Sorry his story is not believable. Not normal to say in his clone (Armstrong) words.

Or, this could be construed as Horner not taking EPO or other PED's in the 90's, thus those results.

See how easy this is?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

He used to get his cycling knowledge from the comments on youtube. I would have thought he had progressed since then.

Who takes a fanboy of LA for serious who didn´t know how to write or ride bike before July 1999... I don´t

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

if you've followed the news in the past decade or so, you probably know what the odds are. no bookmaker in this world is gonna pay you jackpot for betting on froome being a doper. more like jack****.

That your sentences show you didn´t understand my post... well, it´s not the first time as you know.

 

[Netserk]

Let's cool it with the personal remarks. This goes for everybody.

 

[sublimit]

I think I do. You started this thread as a way to compare Froome to Horner and show that you can't, with any credibility, defend one and condone the other. However, it has turned into Yanks defending Horner because he, like Armstrong, 'always had talent'. Few people on this board defend Froome much as you try to push everyone to think otherwise.

But carry on... it is funny to read. USA, USA, USA, etc...

I was thinking that, Netserk was right its a very clever thread but it seems like Brodeal has rooted out a few closet Horner fans here either intentionally or not..

But clearly the Dawg never had any talent whatsoever so I dont see the comparison myself with the veteran Christopher Horner.

 

[sniper]

That your sentences show you didn´t understand my post... well, it´s not the first time as you know.

i just don't agree with your metaphor that calling a given pro-athlete a doper, and then later seeing you've called it right, is like accidentally hitting the jackpot. Chances of calling it right are like 90%-95% for procycling.

and wrt froome vs. horner, on a horizontal scale from highly unexpected to highly expected, Froome's results from 2011 onwards are probably situated a bit more to the left than Horner's current vuelta. That doesn't mean Horner's vuelta (and some other recent results of his) isn't also situated on the left.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Oh well, "nice" shot at Walsh. But i rather believe him, who did some great investigation on LA, than trusting unfounded double standard posters in the clinic who praise a grandpa as non-doper, the same time hack away on Froome/Sky.

Nobody here is defending Horner as a non-doper. He doped. So did Froome. Walsh sniffed his atomic jockstrap while he did it.

 

[the sceptic]

Foxxy is Horner more or less suspicious than Contador?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Foxxy is Horner more or less suspicious than Contador?

Foxxy is Horner more or less suspicious than Froome? I mean, Froome put up super human climbing watts and super human TT watts for an entire Tour de France. Horner won a stage in the Vuelta.

 

[Netserk]

Foxxy is Horner more or less suspicious than Froome? I mean, Froome put up super human climbing watts and super human TT watts for an entire Tour de France. Horner won a stage in the Vuelta.

Horner won two stages

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I was thinking that, Netserk was right its a very clever thread but it seems like Brodeal has rooted out a few closet Horner fans here either intentionally or not..

But clearly the Dawg never had any talent whatsoever so I dont see the comparison myself with the veteran Christopher Horner.

Someone like me, I'm not a fan of Horner. I actually cannot stand him. What I cannot forget is watching him do some pretty amazing things on a bike in the US circuit in the 90's. He was head and shoulders above just about everyone. Froome wasn't head and shoulders above anyone before miraculously being head and shoulders above everyone in the world.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Horner won two stages

Two stages then.

 

[BroDeal]

I was thinking that, Netserk was right its a very clever thread but it seems like Brodeal has rooted out a few closet Horner fans here either intentionally or not..

There are those here who may like Horner, but do any of them actually think he is clean? Or is that impression of Horner "defenders" a lack of self-awareness by those who cannot figure out that Horner is a perfect foil to mock the Froome believer's earnest defense of the indefensible?