The Clinic is inherently anti-Sky / anti-Froome

[del1962]

It's quite simple. The regular denizens of the clinic (aka the self entited anti-doping warriors) don't do it because they hate doping. No. They do it because they need to feel morally superior. Contador has already given them that. They can now sit their fat behinds (who I bet have never even came close to a saddle) in their comfortable armchairs and zoom in the next guy. For these guys proof, logic, common sense or understanding of facts discussed are meaningless.

Well, news-flash a*: you are not morally superior to even the most notorious of dopers. Even if Lance, Hincapie, JV, Ullrich, Basso, etc doped, they still did the long and hard hours of training and the long and hard hours of riding. Doping and working still trumps sitting at your computer, stuffing your face and throwing * around.

While I have some sympathy for parts of your post, it is a little unfair to characterise them as the bolded part, I suspect they come in all shape and sizes and levels of physical fitness, what really strikes me about them though is how incredibly narrow minded and confident in their flaky conclusions that they are, but their is nothing like the zealousness of the true believer and any who take a different stance will get labelled as heretics (thats bots etc)

 

[ebandit]

bottomed out

eruption of posts here kinda proves OP is correct............but we're here in a forum where members are free to discuss what they choose

shame the usual trolling suspects prefer to poke fun at members rather than discuss

compare da dawg's popularity with alberto..........da dawg is pooped and hardly a whisper.........alberto tumbles and PRR is awash with hysterical fans lamenting the death of TDF this year

look at the sheer number of sky threads/posts in the clinic

Mark L

 

[Zam_Olyas]

wise words from Dim

Dave/Dim @dimspace
Contador breaks Tibia, tries to ride, Hero. Froome breaks wrist, rides on it, crashes, püssy.

I think you worship dim, everything he tweets is wise to you

 

[pastronef]

I think you worship dim, everything he tweets is wise to you

eheh, no Zam, just some tweets

and that tweet is oh so much right.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

eheh, no Zam, just some tweets

and that tweet is oh so much right.

I think who called him hero were his fanboys/girls and maybe pedaling with a broken/fractured tibia is harder than pedaling with a broken wrist. I don't know.

 

[Archibald]

I would never wish for anyone to crash. Froome testing positive would have given me much more pleasure.

^This.

wise words from Dim

Dave/Dim @dimspace
Contador breaks Tibia, tries to ride, Hero. Froome breaks wrist, rides on it, crashes, püssy.

wise? no, just outright funny!

Homer Simpson: "it's funny cause it's true"

 

[pastronef]

I think who called him hero were his fanboys/girls and maybe pedaling with a broken/fractured tibia is harder than pedaling with a broken wrist. I don't know.

it's not about the bones

we could swap broken bones, and Froome would still be the püssy and Berto the hero

 

[Zam_Olyas]

it's not about the bones

we could swap broken bones, and Froome would still be the püssy and Berto the hero

Who called him hero?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Who called him hero?

Who called him pvssy?

There's people on both sides, and generalising like this seems almost disingenuous.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

It's quite simple. The regular denizens of the clinic (aka the self entited anti-doping warriors) don't do it because they hate doping. No. They do it because they need to feel morally superior. Contador has already given them that. They can now sit their fat behinds (who I bet have never even came close to a saddle) in their comfortable armchairs and zoom in the next guy. For these guys proof, logic, common sense or understanding of facts discussed are meaningless.

Well, news-flash a*: you are not morally superior to even the most notorious of dopers. Even if Lance, Hincapie, JV, Ullrich, Basso, etc doped, they still did the long and hard hours of training and the long and hard hours of riding. Doping and working still trumps sitting at your computer, stuffing your face and throwing * around.

Good job in posting without any proof, logic, common sense or understanding of facts in a morally superior fashion

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I think who called him hero were his fanboys/girls and maybe pedaling with a broken/fractured tibia is harder than pedaling with a broken wrist. I don't know.

Well, that is Froome's first mistake then. He would have been better off pedaling with his feet.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Who called him pvssy?

There's people on both sides, and generalising like this seems almost disingenuous.

Thank you. My point exactly.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Well, that is Froome's first mistake then. He would have been better of pedaling with his feet.

Lolzzzz. very nice.

 

[Eriana]

Good job in posting without any proof, logic, common sense or understanding of facts in a morally superior fashion

1. proof - my proof is human psychology. Moral superiority is the belief or attitude that one's position and actions are justified by having higher moral values than one's opponent. This whole thread is "OMG, we are so amazing, we hate dopers so much" that it reaks of self-righteousness. Wiggins was right! What do you think feeling happy something bad happens to a guy makes you? Good, moral people? Who the hell died and made you WADA?
2. Logic - please point the elements that you feel lack logic from my reply. I'll point you in the direction of supporting evidence from medical and psychiatric lit.
3. common sense - did you actually read the thread? Can you find a single piece of rationing that is not akin to "My cow lives in the barn. I have a radio in the barn. Therefore without doubt my radio gives milk". Link it here.
4. Understanding of facts - please point me into the direction of some facts on this thread.

I don't feel morally superior to you. That would involve some sort of emotional involvement. Or nobody feels morally superior to ****-flies. You just find and squish them.

 

[xanadu]

If Froome is found to be doping the reprecussions will shake the entire sporting world. The day of the secret doper are gone, teams have doctors and testing equipment and if a rider dopes the team will know. So if Froome is doping, then the entire Sky team is involved and if that is the case, then you have to cast a suspicious eye over the entire British Olympic team as well.
If the doping conspiracy involved sky management and embraced the olympic team as well you are talking one hell of a lot of conspirators, surely by now someone would have blabbed.
The rise of British cycling did however go hand in hand with the arrival of bucket loads of cash from the lottery people. Money of course does not a champion make, but fistfulls of wonga and a hard nosed, highly motivated DS certainly provides the opportunity to get the best out of any raw talent available.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

If Froome is found to be doping the reprecussions will shake the entire sporting world.

I very much doubt that.

 

[thrawn]

I very much doubt that.

Agreed. Most of the sporting world wouldn't even know who he is.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The rise of British TRACK cycling did however go hand in hand with the arrival of bucket loads of cash from the lottery people. Money of course does not a champion make, but fistfulls of wonga and a hard nosed, highly motivated DS certainly provides the opportunity to get the best out of any raw talent available.

DS? No real DS in track cycling. Especially with the events they championed - no race radios to take advantage of either.

Unless you mean to imply the lottery funding in any way had an impact on Team Sky or its success? In which case I think your timeline is way out, and no good UK roadies existed until Wiggins trained with some unknown trainer and caned the Tour to 3rd place.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't feel morally superior to you. That would involve some sort of emotional involvement. Or nobody feels morally superior to ****-flies. You just find and squish them.

Just curious if you're a member of a cycling forum that does exhibit the illusive qualities you deny are evident here? Or any online forum for that matter.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

1. proof - my proof is human psychology. Moral superiority is the belief or attitude that one's position and actions are justified by having higher moral values than one's opponent. This whole thread is "OMG, we are so amazing, we hate dopers so much" that it reaks of self-righteousness. Wiggins was right! What do you think feeling happy something bad happens to a guy makes you? Good, moral people? Who the hell died and made you WADA?
2. Logic - please point the elements that you feel lack logic from my reply. I'll point you in the direction of supporting evidence from medical and psychiatric lit.
3. common sense - did you actually read the thread? Can you find a single piece of rationing that is not akin to "My cow lives in the barn. I have a radio in the barn. Therefore without doubt my radio gives milk". Link it here.
4. Understanding of facts - please point me into the direction of some facts on this thread.

I don't feel morally superior to you. That would involve some sort of emotional involvement. Or nobody feels morally superior to ****-flies. You just find and squish them.

You squish sh!t flies? I'd wash my hands if I were you.

You're welcome for the tip.

 

[The Hitch]

eheh, no Zam, just some tweets

and that tweet is oh so much right.

It would be interesting to see exactly which tweets called froome a ***** for crashing out. from my experience with dim my guess is if challenged he would not be able to offer many examples.

 

[xanadu]

DS? No real DS in track cycling. Especially with the events they championed - no race radios to take advantage of either.

Unless you mean to imply the lottery funding in any way had an impact on Team Sky or its success? In which case I think your timeline is way out, and no good UK roadies existed until Wiggins trained with some unknown trainer and caned the Tour to 3rd place.

The rennaisance of British track cycling goes back to before the Bejing olympics, At the*2004 Olympic Games*Great Britain won two cycling gold medals, their best performance since*1908.[11]*Under Brailsford's leadership, the cycling team continued to improve, winning multiple*world championships*in*road,*track,*BMX*and*Mountain bike*racing. Great Britain lead the cycling medal table at the*2008*and*2012*Olympic Games, winning 8 golds at both, while British cyclists won 59 World Championships from 2003-2013.[12]
In 2010, Brailsford also became the manager of the new British-based professional team,*Team Sky.[13]*As Sky Team principal he oversaw both*Bradley Wiggins' and*Chris Froome's victories in the 2012 and 2013*Tour de France.[14][15]*In April 2014, Brailsford resigned as performance director at British Cycling to concentrate his efforts on leading the ever more successful professional team.[6]

From WIki


Lottery funding helped Dave Brailsford get the best out of the British olympic team, that same olympic team that became the foundation of the sky team under the same management, so yes British lottery money did help Dave Brailsford build the sky team. .

 

[The Hitch]

1. proof - my proof is human psychology. Moral superiority is the belief or attitude that one's position and actions are justified by having higher moral values than one's opponent. This whole thread is "OMG, we are so amazing, we hate dopers so much" that it reaks of self-righteousness. Wiggins was right! What do you think feeling happy something bad happens to a guy makes you? Good, moral people? Who the hell died and made you WADA?
2. Logic - please point the elements that you feel lack logic from my reply. I'll point you in the direction of supporting evidence from medical and psychiatric lit.
3. common sense - did you actually read the thread? Can you find a single piece of rationing that is not akin to "My cow lives in the barn. I have a radio in the barn. Therefore without doubt my radio gives milk". Link it here.
4. Understanding of facts - please point me into the direction of some facts on this thread.

I don't feel morally superior to you. That would involve some sort of emotional involvement. Or nobody feels morally superior to ****-flies. You just find and squish them.

Eriana? Why didn't you just call yourself Martina? We can see it's you either way, but at least we all would have seen and appreciated the humour in it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Lottery funding helped Dave Brailsford get the best out of the British olympic team, that same olympic team that became the foundation of the sky team under the same management, so yes British lottery money did help Dave Brailsford build the sky team. .

The best of the Sky team so far is

Wiggins
Froome
Porte

Wiggins was utter crap the entire time on the road despite the Lottery funding, until some random coached him in 2009. So whilst he won medals with lottery funding, its impact or relevance on his ability with the road is: zero.

Froome had no Lottery funding whatsoever.

Porte is an Aussie.

On the basis of 2012 - the breakout year for Sky, we have the following top 7 or so riders, based on cqranking points by the end of 2012:

Wiggins - yep
Cavendish - yep
EBH - nope
Froome - nope
Henao - nope
Rogers - nope
Uran - nope

Now, your definition of "foundation" is quite likely different to mine, but I do not agree that lottery funding made Team Sky's core riders. Not one bit.

 

[the sceptic]

It would be interesting to see exactly which tweets called froome a ***** for crashing out. from my experience with dim my guess is if challenged he would not be able to offer many examples.

this is the guy that was calling Rogers an obvious doper in the giro? As with other bots in exile on velorooms, I dont take anything they say regarding sky/doping seriously.