The Clinic is inherently anti-Sky / anti-Froome

[Afrank]

Yes Sir Admin, but imagine... it was in context with Hitchey post.

Edit: Ah, ok you deleted the relevant posts. Thx for playing god... Outta here.

You could always just reply in the Horner thread.

 

[red_flanders]

Me I feel far worse about Contador crashing out cos I really wanted a verified doper to win the Tour just to laugh at the apologists and hypocrites trying to sing the "new era" song with a Contador win following the evans, froome and wiggins ones. It makes me really upset atm that a total fluke has robbed me of that, maybe for ever.
But I still was upset that Froome crashed out. I wanted to see his clearly doped performances go under scrutiny again.

Genuinely, I'm disappointed Contador is out because the race was set up perfectly to be very exciting and competitive.

That may have been the case with Froome but I feared another ridiculously dominant ride. I found that boring with Indurain and Armstrong as well. I'm more a "great battle" fan than I am a "dominant athlete" fan. Tiger Woods bores me. The greatest sporting competition for me of all time was Magic and the Lakers vs. Larry and the Celtics. Jordan boring. So I was definitely less bummed when he went out. I thought the race was immediately more interesting with Contador down on a very strong Nibali.

That said, I was looking forward to hearing the various interests come up with explanations how "clean" Froome was going to be beating the dirty "other" rider(s). But not that much. Assume it would be more of the same.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You could always just answer in the Horner thread.

So I answer posts from one thread in another one?
How does that work? Can you explain? I would do it then...

 

[Granville57]

This thread is not about Horner.

But it's not not about Horner either.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But it's not not about Horner either.

The real reason our posts were deleted is it showed the true hypocrisy of (some of) the clinic. I call that censorship.
OTOH, I saw lies, personal attacks, and real off-topic posts stay in threads.

The "not on topic" was just an excuse...

And since when ever needed answering posts to be answered in another thread burn in anonymity? Because it´s the same as deleting them: Hiding the hypocrisy...

 

[DirtyWorks]

I it might be helpful to post some example posts.

Interested to see some examples Spud.

 

[buckle]

The theme is that most (but not all) wanted Froome to stay in order for him to get busted (which was never going to happen). There is a complicated subplot where some (but not all) are relieved that AC is gone because it raises Richie's profile thus posing the interesting question as to whether DB will really pull the trigger?

The Clinic is the best show in town.

 

[red_flanders]

Who would that be?

Bardet? Pinot? Rolland?

Um... I am not a froome supporter. Not one single post in support.

But I do believe the unbridled fandom that Clentadoppucci enjoys here at CN comes close to the LA crazies, particularly since we know for a FACT that his ENTIRE reputation and all his results are based on unapologetic fraud.

Well, what you know for a fact is that one day he had 5 picograms of clen in his body. You (as they say 'round these parts) don't know he doped at any other time. I'd even argue you don't know he doped with clen.

Unless of course you have a working brain. Then you know he and everyone who rides as fast or faster is also a doper. But you have to pick if you're going to be diligent about only reacting to verified facts or if you're going to use your melon to form opinion based on overwhelming evidence.

Right?

 

[Granville57]

The theme is that most (but not all) wanted Froome to stay in order for him to get busted (which was never going to happen).

Au contraire, mon frère. I think most wanted to see Froome light it up with the most over-the-top performance ever witnessed—and get away with it!

And if Contador were able to match, or even surpass such a performance? Even better.

Then the conversation would've gotten interesting.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hitch there is still plenty to see from Valv-Piti and famous one-leg-rider-Horner... Thus you don´t have to be upset.

Shouldn´t that one be deleted either?

 

[Ripper]

The clinic is inherently anti-doping.

The clinic already knows Contador dopes.

The clinic highly suspects Froome to be doping.

Once Froome is popped, the clinic will move on to the next "outta nowhere" GC contender.

This about covers it

Oh, and the irony that this post is right next to a Nibs thread and an Armstrong thread ...

 

[RobbieCanuck]

BikeCentric;1523581]Dirty Bertie is yesterday's news - we beat this old dead horse ad nauseum back during his clen-beef-erol case and before. Contador's been an obvious doper for a long time and this has been verified through "official" sanctions.

This is just outright wrong. The only sanction Contador has ever had in his entire career, is for the clenbuterol case. And as I am sure you are aware he was only sanctioned on the basis of absolute liability in spite of the fact the 50 trillionths of a gram of clen was found in his system on July 21, 2010 had no performance enhancing effect and played absolutely no role in his winning the 2010 TDF. That is 0.000,000,000,050 of a gram.

It was common ground through out the case that this amount of clen could not under any circumstances have had a performance enhancing effect.

When people say the Clinic is inherently biased that is not quite right. There are a large portion of the posters, I would suggest a healthy majority who are biased in favour of certain riders being dopers in spite of the fact there is no evidence of the fact. Just gossip, speculation, conjecture, innuendo, guilt by association etc. The usual trash tabloid like comment.

This part of your comment is spurious misrepresentation.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This about covers it

Oh, and the irony that this post is right next to a Nibs thread and an Armstrong thread ...

... and an Horner thread. Is that ok Afrank?

 

[buckle]

Au contraire, mon frère. I think most wanted to see Froome light it up with the most over-the-top performance ever witnessed—and get away with it!

And if Contador were able to match, or even surpass such a performance? Even better.

Then the conversation would've gotten interesting.

Thanks - I stand corrected.

 

[BikeCentric]

This is just outright wrong. The only sanction Contador has ever had in his entire career, is for the clenbuterol case. And as I am sure you are aware he was only sanctioned on the basis of absolute liability in spite of the fact the 50 trillionths of a gram of clen was found in his system on July 21, 2010 had no performance enhancing effect and played absolutely no role in his winning the 2010 TDF. That is 0.000,000,000,050 of a gram.

It was common ground through out the case that this amount of clen could not under any circumstances have had a performance enhancing effect.

When people say the Clinic is inherently biased that is not quite right. There are a large portion of the posters, I would suggest a healthy majority who are biased in favour of certain riders being dopers in spite of the fact there is no evidence of the fact. Just gossip, speculation, conjecture, innuendo, guilt by association etc. The usual trash tabloid like comment.

This part of your comment is spurious misrepresentation.

This is hilarious! You are joking, yes?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I wanted Froome and Contador to remain, definitely. Unlikely they will be sampled while injured, and certainly nowhere near as often.

Can't catch dopers without them samples.

Plus I dislike anyone having to exit a race due to injury - that's just ick.

 

[Dalakhani]

How do you know this, has Contador ever ridden clean so that we can know his undoped ability?

I don't know this, that's why I said, "IMO".

It's a wild guess. In order to make a better guess, I'd need to know who, if anyone in the GC, is riding clean.

Then, from there, I'd know who the best clean rider is.

And, from there, I could guess how much each of the superior riders is doping, and try to discount that from his ability.

That's a lot of iffs-and-buts. So, as I said, "IMO".

However, there are a couple of things in Contador's favour compared to Froome: style on the bike, size, good from an early age...

 

[The Hegelian]

I found it interesting to see my own responses - With Froome's abandonment, really quite a bit of glee, with Contador's, genuine sadness.

It's inconsistent and a bit irrational for sure, but I think there is some reason underneath it.

It comes down to the aesthetic distaste in witnessing donkeys transform into thoroughbreds.

I could never stomach Jalabert climbing with the goats or Armstrong going for GC in a GT - not believable, not plausible, totally ruins the narrative/meaning for me.

Watching AC climb with Schleck in '09 I remember the vague sense of injustice at his doped strength, but it was nonetheless still plausible.

 

[Froomster]

Au contraire, mon frère. I think most wanted to see Froome light it up with the most over-the-top performance ever witnessed—and get away with it!

And if Contador were able to match, or even surpass such a performance? Even better.

Then the conversation would've gotten interesting.

Then the forum would have not only crashed for two months, but caused a massive explosion which shorted out the entire British Isles. Now, that's what we were all intrigued to see.

 

[spalco]

Absolutely great post. It is so obvious and yet people still don't get it. Come 2016 or so and Froome could easily be nearly forgotten and the entire discussion will be on some young French rider or someone else who knows. Maybe there will be a Romain Bardet thread with 100,000 posts by 2018!

No it's nonsense. Contador is not yesterday's news, he's still active. And his backdated ban was bull****.

 

[red_flanders]

I found it interesting to see my own responses - With Froome's abandonment, really quite a bit of glee, with Contador's, genuine sadness.

It's inconsistent and a bit irrational for sure, but I think there is some reason underneath it.

It comes down to the aesthetic distaste in witnessing donkeys transform into thoroughbreds.

I could never stomach Jalabert climbing with the goats or Armstrong going for GC in a GT - not believable, not plausible, totally ruins the narrative/meaning for me.

Watching AC climb with Schleck in '09 I remember the vague sense of injustice at his doped strength, but it was nonetheless still plausible.

Genuine question: Are you suggesting by calling it injustice, that Andy was clean during that battle?

 

[The Hegelian]

Genuine question: Are you suggesting by calling it injustice, that Andy was clean during that battle?

Nope. Just in the usual sense that dope has agency in shaping the race.

 

[red_flanders]

Nope. Just in the usual sense that dope has agency in shaping the race.

Got it, thanks.

 

[Eriana]

When Froome crashed and then crashed out there were pages and pages of posts, many of which were very anti and showed huge amounts of vitriol, and few that didn't.

Today Contador crashes out and there is virtually nothing.

Discuss and debate ...

It's quite simple. The regular denizens of the clinic (aka the self entited anti-doping warriors) don't do it because they hate doping. No. They do it because they need to feel morally superior. Contador has already given them that. They can now sit their fat behinds (who I bet have never even came close to a saddle) in their comfortable armchairs and zoom in the next guy. For these guys proof, logic, common sense or understanding of facts discussed are meaningless.

Well, news-flash a*: you are not morally superior to even the most notorious of dopers. Even if Lance, Hincapie, JV, Ullrich, Basso, etc doped, they still did the long and hard hours of training and the long and hard hours of riding. Doping and working still trumps sitting at your computer, stuffing your face and throwing * around.

 

[pastronef]

wise words from Dim

Dave/Dim @dimspace
Contador breaks Tibia, tries to ride, Hero. Froome breaks wrist, rides on it, crashes, püssy.