The Contador Myth

[hrotha]

Well this statement has to be some sort of joke because one thing is for sure Nicolas Roche Who finished in 15 th position In Le Tour is one rider who is absolutely and positively a 100 % clean professional Cyclist.

And you know this because...?

 

[Sophistic]

Horner averaged 360 Watts on the Tourmalet, i'm not sure that Horner is clean but i'm sure that there are people who can achieve such a level without drugs.

 

[Protein]

Horner averaged 360 Watts on the Tourmalet, i'm not sure that Horner is clean but i'm sure that there are people who can achieve such a level without drugs.

That's what I'm saying. If Contador was taking the extraordinary step of blood doping - which is at the upper end of doping in terms of performance and risk - to win this tour, then maybe his whole story is a myth.

 

[gearmasher]

That's what I'm saying. If Contador was taking the extraordinary step of blood doping - which is at the upper end of doping in terms of performance and risk - to win this tour, then maybe his whole story is a myth.

But the story of 37 year old Chris Horner isn't? My point being, there are a lot of myths in cycling.

 

[hfer07]

the Contador myth is no different from the Indurain myth, or every other GT winner with dirty secrets-Although he's part of that exclusive breed that demonstrated great talent at young age-so the skills are there-just simply enhanced by the medical program....

 

[Mich78BEL]

But most doping experts said this year's tour was a lot closer to natural performances than previous years, so it's not at all clear that everyone was still doping. The risks were also huge after the Landis affair.

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maybe (or better probably) there's still doping but just smaller dosages to minimise risks getting caught

 

[scribe]

They will find another way to store the blood, so the plasticizer test is already useless. It worked this once. Never again.

I heard Vino will be offering to host other guy's blood in his body until they are ready for it.

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

After that there's Lovkvist (not sure about Sky though), De Weert (from his palmares seems clean), Gadret (???, remember issoisso saying something about him though), Casar (think FDJ are the cleanest PT team).

Speculation...

Gadret is pumped with products.
Casar could be clean, FDJ seem to be better than most when looking at their results. De Weert....I don't know. Those belgian GC boys could be clean (that's why they never end below 20th place).
I guess Sky isn't clean. With all their technological advances and programs, there is probably a little illegal substances thrown in as well.

 

[rata de sentina]

Well if AC was genuinely doping with clenbuterol then he deserves all the accolades, that's the equivalent of putting a 10kg weight in your jersey pocket.

 

[khardung la]

Nah...All of them are doped, so Contador is still the best. These kind of guys are the best cycling machines since they are young, so they are selected to receive the attention to really make it to the top. However I still believe that there must be a clean cyclist in the TdF (not sure if he finished 15th, 16th or 23rd though, probably he finished much later). That is a reason enough to put Contador and anyone else doped in a life ban, no matter how naturally gifted they are.

I feel so sorry for that first clean rider, and so many other who did not make it to proffesionals....It's discouraging.

 

[luckyboy]

Casar could be clean, FDJ seem to be better than most when looking at their results.

Only thing about FDJ is Madiot. He used some product in post-Tour crits in 89, centrifuges were found in FDJ's truck in TdF 98 and he said something like he wanted to make sure the riders didn't test positive. And there was the Sainz thing a bit after that.
From the results & history of the riders they have, they seem clean. It's a bit of a miracle they've managed to stay in the ProTour this long if I'm honest.

 

[Galic Ho]

The real 1st place a person riding clean was in 16th place.

Hahahaha. Nice try. Nobody will believe Vino was clean and the rest weren't.

 

[Galic Ho]

Power levels?

Contadors was

over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contador would be Goku dude. Schleck is Vegeta. Pfffft. That is pre Super Saiyan levels. Means nothing. Frieza had a power level over a million. That is scary.

Kind of like the 5 picograms. Pathetic. Tell the pencil pushers to do it right or not bother, because that is pathetic. Post 2006 TdF Floyd told everyone about the 14 other guys who had traces of bad substances but didn't go over the set limits and how it was unfair he got caught. Contadors levels aren't even near those 14 guys. Seriously...5 picograms!!!! That is like a tiny crumb, if that. Let's put it this way, when everyone starts turning up with green eyes and blonde hair...be very concerned.

 

[Galic Ho]

Well this statement has to be some sort of joke because one thing is for sure Nicolas Roche Who finished in 15 th position In Le Tour is one rider who is absolutely and positively a 100 % clean professional Cyclist.

hahahaha. Did daddy race clean? There is your answer on how clean sonny boy is. Roche is not clean, not by some margin. Are you Irish?

 

[rolfrae]

The guy raced at a top level from January to August.

So he must have drawn a lot of blood to last that long!

You guys are dreaming.

Contador does not transfuse.

Part of that might be an attempt to make his blood passport levels look 'normal', rather than showing one or two odd peaks that would stand out like sore thumbs. If Contador is riding on bread and water I'm the Queen of f***ing Sheeba.

 

[ttrider]

He probably doped but i highly doubt it was anything like as much as 2009, infact i would bet he is nearly clean, micro doses yes and these would give him an edge i genuinly believe the clen shouldnt dq him it was an accident. on the other hand if this can be used in conjunction with plasticers then fair enough, he probably transfused but not clen.
How talented is he? i would say top 3 in a totally clean peloton anyway

 

[laziali]

Well this statement has to be some sort of joke because one thing is for sure Nicolas Roche Who finished in 15 th position In Le Tour is one rider who is absolutely and positively a 100 % clean professional Cyclist.

Just like his father during his Carerra days, eh

 

[Roland Rat]

He probably doped but i highly doubt it was anything like as much as 2009, infact i would bet he is nearly clean, micro doses yes.

How talented is he? i would say top 3 in a totally clean peloton anyway

+1 for the above.

 

[hrotha]

Contador would be Goku dude. Schleck is Vegeta. Pfffft. That is pre Super Saiyan levels. Means nothing. Frieza had a power level over a million. That is scary.

No way, man. Vegeta was the super-professional, hard training guy. Vegeta would never go binge drinking!

He probably doped but i highly doubt it was anything like as much as 2009, infact i would bet he is nearly clean, micro doses yes and these would give him an edge i genuinly believe the clen shouldnt dq him it was an accident. on the other hand if this can be used in conjunction with plasticers then fair enough, he probably transfused but not clen.
How talented is he? i would say top 3 in a totally clean peloton anyway

I think most people were relatively clean during this year's Tour due to the unfavourable circumstances surrounding it. Doesn't mean they didn't dope like there's no tomorrow while training for it.

 

[marioni]

I'm wondering how great a cyclist Contador really is?

Best in the world.

If you believe he used doping, do you honestly believe he's the only one? Contador is the guy being accused of it, while everyone uses it.

 

[alpine_chav]

If it's true that Contador used blood transfusions to scrape a win at this years tour, where power levels were said to be lower than previous tours, I'm wondering how great a cyclist Contador really is?

Don't get me wrong, i still think he's world class, but if all his wins were done with doping then he might not be as great as everyone thinks he is.

What do you think?

What you thought he was clean?

 

[alpine_chav]

Nah...All of them are doped, so Contador is still the best. These kind of guys are the best cycling machines since they are young, so they are selected to receive the attention to really make it to the top. However I still believe that there must be a clean cyclist in the TdF (not sure if he finished 15th, 16th or 23rd though, probably he finished much later). That is a reason enough to put Contador and anyone else doped in a life ban, no matter how naturally gifted they are.

I feel so sorry for that first clean rider, and so many other who did not make it to proffesionals....It's discouraging.

I don't feel sorry for them... you can enjoy cycling (perhaps more so) without racing

 

[bastigon]

Just found this quote by press officer Vidarte hillarious:

"“It’s false,” Vidarte told L’Èquipe. “We have the bill from the shop in Irun where López-Cerrón bought the meat.”"

That is just so self explaining. Is Dopey surrounded by fools?

 

[Ney the Viking]

Part of that might be an attempt to make his blood passport levels look 'normal', rather than showing one or two odd peaks that would stand out like sore thumbs. If Contador is riding on bread and water I'm the Queen of f***ing Sheeba.

Well at least we know you are not a Queen, since Berto obviusly is riding on meat

 

[Cloxxki]

As I see it, Contador IS the best in the world, but he found that he could not win the Tour clean. So he took some stored blood. A little bit. Didn't even mean to use it, put too great hopes in the WADA testing, and was proven right