The current state of pro cycling - an appraisal

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Also, it's worth pointing out that after possibly the most successful period of time for multiple riders from one nation since France in the late 70's to mid 80's, the coverage is still relegated to ITV2. A channel shared with the likes of Jeremy Kyle, Take Me Out and as many Love Island extension shows as they can cram in.

ITV4 actualy - even further down the pecking order! The final stage this year made it onto ITV1 with HD and the lot. Caught me out!

When it comes down to it, the only two countries of significant sized economies for which cycling can be considered a remotely big sport are France and Italy (and its heading south in Italy to say the least). Interest is pretty high in Belgium and Holland but thats about 30 million people between them. The crowds on the roadside in the vuelta tell us what we need to know. Aside from that its slim pickings the world over. US (any number of franchise sports), Australia (cricket, AFL, rugby), rest of europe (football and various other stuff competing with cycling), rest of the world (a niche sport).
 

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Who produces the TV footage? Do ASO? Is so is this being taken into account in the value of the of the rights, so actually the rights sell for something like 200m but it costs 150m to produce so the sale only makes ASO 50m?

ASO don’t produce the footage. They own the rights to the footage. They lease it out to Stade 2.
So how do Stade2 make their money?


France2 my mistake. They sell advertising, like any broadcaster showing sport. Is that not obvious?

Simplistically yes, but in an actual discussion no, not really seeing as it's likely a loss-leader. FmK provided a much more detailed description.

This is why the IOC created “OBS”, which is their own end to end broadcasting unit. They provide all services of filming, recording of events and on-screen graphics which they then lease out the rights. This way they don’t have to partner with a local broadcaster and give up some of their control.
 
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King Boonen said:
Also, it's worth pointing out that after possibly the most successful period of time for multiple riders from one nation since France in the late 70's to mid 80's, the coverage is still relegated to ITV2. A channel shared with the likes of Jeremy Kyle, Take Me Out and as many Love Island extension shows as they can cram in.

ITV4 actualy - even further down the pecking order! The final stage this year made it onto ITV1 with HD and the lot. Caught me out!

When it comes down to it, the only two countries of significant sized economies for which cycling can be considered a remotely big sport are France and Italy (and its heading south in Italy to say the least). Interest is pretty high in Belgium and Holland but thats about 30 million people between them. The crowds on the roadside in the vuelta tell us what we need to know. Aside from that its slim pickings the world over. US (any number of franchise sports), Australia (cricket, AFL, rugby), rest of europe (football and various other stuff competing with cycling), rest of the world (a niche sport).

I thought it at least ranked with Take Me Out! Isn't ITV4 just re-runs of The Sweeny?! :D
 
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simoni said:
The quoted $50m feels plausible to me even if the 60 countries is true!
The point about the sixty countries is that the UK accounts for four of them. Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Lichtenstein, Vatican City, Luxembourg, there's another seven for you. To bring it up to a round dozen, a fifth of the total claimed, consider that in Ireland the Tour is broadcast on TG4, the Irish language channel, which boasts a 2% audience share. €50m is the top end of any estimate of ASO's total cycling TV revenue.
 
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When it comes down to it, the only two countries of significant sized economies for which cycling can be considered a remotely big sport are France and Italy (and its heading south in Italy to say the least). Interest is pretty high in Belgium and Holland but thats about 30 million people between them. The crowds on the roadside in the vuelta tell us what we need to know. Aside from that its slim pickings the world over. US (any number of franchise sports), Australia (cricket, AFL, rugby), rest of europe (football and various other stuff competing with cycling), rest of the world (a niche sport).
Daam Van Reeth is good on TV audiences. His figures show the UK audience is around 400k daily, peaking at 850k for La Rosière. Spain peaked at just below 2m for Col du Portet, average was about a million. Germany peaked at 1.9m for Lauruns, average is probably about 1.2m. France, the peak was 4.9m for Lauruns, average somewhere around 3m. His cumulative across 10 countries (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden & Australia) is about 10m.

(Van Reeth is also good at busting one myth about the Tour's claimed TV audience: a lot of people get to see the Tour - and other bikes races - on the news, they don't watch it live or in packaged programmes. That's not true of the figures above, just a general comment about cycling's claimed TV share.)
 
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With regard to rights in other countries, the only vaguely contemporary info I can find for the UK is http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/tour_de_france_gets_live_spot_on_itv

which reckons US$750,000 for 3 years of ITVs TDF coverage (2009).
Sorry for three replies to one post. A point that I've never been clear on here: ITV pay the EBU, not ASO, AFAIK.

The EBU deal I think is worth about €3m to ASO annually, for a package of ASO's bike races.

If you're on Twitter you could put this question to Ned Boulting, I seem to recall him saying something about it when there was some speculation that ITV was going to lose its rights.

(The EBU is largely where the 60 countries for live coverage comes from, I think.)
 

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The sell merchandise as well. I used to arrange a corporate event for CSC back in the day. That was huge. We paid a fee to ASO for grandstand access along with the food and rider area pre and post stage.
 
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The sell merchandise as well. I used to arrange a corporate event for CSC back in the day. That was huge. We paid a fee to ASO for grandstand access along with the food and rider area pre and post stage.
I can't wait for ScienceIsCool to blow a gasket at this claim...
 
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A lot of great points. Here's my view:

The Market 1.0.

Every sport has to gather audience, and even before the big advertising money and TV ratings considerations, seasons were made to fit the calendar. Mostly about football and cycling in late spring. Pushing the TdF start one week (and we won!! Playing like Italians, Germans, not gallantly losing like the French used to do - Crecy, Azincourt, '82, 86). Ratings. The calendar is evolving to fit The Market 2.0. The "New World" exists. Winners: the rest of the World. Losers: Europe, some great races all but gone, or just gone.

The Market 2.0. The Money.

New World: give them Down Under, Quebec...something. And don't forget China, one billion people with riding bikes as a tradition. Cycling going global. Phil and Paul, Kirby cover the Commonwealth. (Almost) everybody wins. Create entertainment value, virtual racing (PCM) where experts never rode a bike get on forums and talk trash. Illusion. Rich kid (Froome) gets a pass, poor kid (Petacchi) gets whacked. In church, fill the basket or be damned...Winners: teams with big money, social media, losers the rest.

Entertainment Value.

Baseball's big issue...yawn. Thirty plus years ago, cycling was by definition the People's sport; blue collars would ride their bike to work, there were no school buses so the kids did the same. All could tell stories of their struggles on the saddle. Cycling was a mass sport. You could see riders' faces...now you see Robocop #11, Robocop # 76, Robocop #121...big, big change. Cycling no longer is the daily life. This has changed and the older generation is going away.

So shorter broadcasts and get technology to keep millennials focused, it's about the action, not the riders (you don't see their faces) or the landmarks (who cares). Designs are made to keep it close, meaning that guys who don't belong stick around. Winners? losers? I don't know.

Doping.

It leaves a few like me wondering about some very basic things: OK, the sport makes money, OK the sport gives good entertainment value, it grew worldwide, blah, blah, blah...

But all that glitters isn't gold. What we're watching isn't real. It's Pro Wrestling not real Wresting. It's a well organized show. The state of cycling is really good. But how many clean riders were cheated?, never to win big? Are there clean riders out there?

Besides my own story, see my early posts, I happened to see one local kid emerge: Thibaut Pinot. To this day, Benotti69 and the most skeptical members have given him a break: is he the best of "the rest"?

I blew a fuse with the Froome...nothing...not a mod anymore and not proud of losing my composure. But I'm at a point when I want to let go and just ride my bike. My self-imposed ban gave me freedom. The state of cycling...
 
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I'd be surprised if NBC is paying a whole lot for the rights to show the few cycling races they do show. Other than Utah and Colorado the only races on TV in the US are those NBC gets around to showing which isn't even all the races they have the rights to. I can't see the internet companies that stream some of the other races paying that much for them either. 1 30 commercial during the Super Bowl cost $5 million for the 2018 Super Bowl. My guess is that a commercial during any of the cycling events would be whatever NBCSports standard rate is.
 
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Well one issue is that cycling, even just the world tour, is not available for broadcast as one package deal. It's a hodgepodge of promoters and media. See a race on one free to air channel today, but on a different channel tomorrow, next week it's only view able via a restricted cable channel, week after that it's only view able via some dodgy pirate webcast.

This mess lessens its value significantly as well as there is no consistency in how and where it is broadcast. No common theme for promotion, nothing to tie races together in a marketing and promotional sense. It's not a season with a build up, or grand finals. Why would any international company be interested in sponsoring such crummy piecemeal offering?

Cycling doesn't have a league controlling it all. It's run by a wide range of individual promoters. The UCI are just the custodians of the rules, and not a lot more.
 

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The sell merchandise as well. I used to arrange a corporate event for CSC back in the day. That was huge. We paid a fee to ASO for grandstand access along with the food and rider area pre and post stage.
I can't wait for ScienceIsCool to blow a gasket at this claim...

You live in a cold a dark Ireland.
 
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Well one issue is that cycling, even just the world tour, is not available for broadcast as one package deal. It's a hodgepodge of promoters and media. See a race on one free to air channel today, but on a different channel tomorrow, next week it's only view able via a restricted cable channel, week after that it's only view able via some dodgy pirate webcast.

This mess lessens its value significantly as well as there is no consistency in how and where it is broadcast. No common theme for promotion, nothing to tie races together in a marketing and promotional sense. It's not a season with a build up, or grand finals. Why would any international company be interested in sponsoring such crummy piecemeal offering?

Cycling doesn't have a league controlling it all. It's run by a wide range of individual promoters. The UCI are just the custodians of the rules, and not a lot more.

This is very true.

There seems to be some consternation that I am suggesting that the Tour is majorly underselling the value of its TV/media/digital rights. But seriously, how can it be that the sport’s biggest race, a global event, is only making as much from TV deals as an Australian broadcaster alone pays for comparable events in other sports, just to show them to the small Australian audience? Is the sport really so marginal and decayed that this is considered to be acceptable, even expected?

The problem is that the governance of cycling is a shambles, largely the result of a bunch of random historical circumstances, and what leadership there is lacks ambition, vision and strong organisational skills. We have a sport that is based on what must be close to the most popular recreational pastime and form of exercise in the world, that is cheap to do and easy to follow, and yet it is mired in provincialism, hopelessly disjointed administration, a scandal-ridden past and teams that for the most part are constantly struggling just to stay afloat. The result is things like the complete mish-mash of TV coverage and resultant loss of potential value as Alex has described. Cycling is still largely in the mindset that F1 was before the Bernie Ecclestone revolution – a mostly European sport with limited TV coverage or interest, limited ambition, and a small target audience.

But it could be far more. Indeed with a clean slate I’d run it much closer to the modern F1 model, but without the capitalist excesses of the late Ecclestone era and the bias towards and excessive influence of the top manufacturer teams. The UCI would have complete control of the sport at the pro level, and would either own all broadcast and commercial rights to the sport, or would have these reside in one body, and one only, as is the case with Liberty Media in F1. The World Tour, including all the big races, would be one package, with teams selected and licensed purely by the UCI, all judicial decisions made by them, and a fair budget cap applicable to all teams. Broadcast and other content rights would be sold as a package, including rights to show all World Tour races, and more focus on digital/online content, and there would be ‘premium’ sponsors who get signage etc. at all WT events. The humanity, personalities and nationalities of the riders would be given increased focus and promotion, and increased stability for teams would enhance their ability to create more profitable, marketable, desirable 'brand value'. Women’s events would be run side-by-side, where possible, with the men’s, and given a proper billing as equal parts of the World Tour. Bodies like the ASO would be race promoters and organisers only – responsible for the operation and local promotion of their races, with UCI assistance, and for finding local sponsors. The World Tour would be a true world tour, with important races in Europe, SE Asia, the Middle East, Australia, the Americas, and hopefully even Africa, while acknowledging that that GT heart of cycling will always be Europe. No more ‘token’ efforts like the Japan Cup.

The big challenge with cycling is the revenue hole created by there being very little money from spectators, apart from a few corporate tickets. The model in F1, where the governing body actually charges promoters exorbitant fees for the right to host races, wouldn’t work in cycling in this aspect (it barely works in F1!). It’s why broadcast rights, sponsors and whatever government money can be obtained are especially critical. The UCI would have to look at and work carefully with the local promoters, to see how much they can make from local sponsorship, and most likely the UCI or its commercial partner would have to chip in, on a fair scale for all races, to make sure that they are all profitable or at least deemed ‘worth it’, allowing for ancillary benefits from increased tourism, economic boost to local trade etc.

All revenues obtained by the UCI, or the UCI and its commercial partner, would of course first cover their own costs, and any obligations to shareholders/stakeholders, and remaining revenue would then be distributed to the promoters as outlined above, amongst the teams both as prize money and as a flat sum paid to all teams equally as a fixed percentage of revenue for each year, and to help grow and develop the grass roots of the sport, and the smaller races below WT level.

For all this to really work, I readily acknowledge that there would need to be more money and more interest in the sport than there is today, and it would take time to really build. But the potential is there – there are still massive largely untapped markets where cycling could easily be far bigger than it currently is, and more that could be done even in the ones where it already has a significant presence. Cycling will never have the same financial potential as F1 was able to leverage off the auto industry and the massive tobacco sponsorship wave that it rode to riches, but there are still ways of making it a much more attractive and interesting prospect for investors and fans alike. For one simple example, apart from the team cars and camera bikes, it's a clean, healthy, green sport in a world where this is becoming ever more important and desirable, but no-one seems to have thought of pushing and marketing that angle. As a whole, once things are trending upward in value, they positively reinforce each other.

Of course, of course, there is no clean slate, and recent-ish attempts to increase the standing of the World Tour have all mostly failed. The owners of the races, the ASO in particular, have far too much power, and the UCI too little, and what it does have it too often misuses. Getting the ASO to hand over any of the rights to the Tour is never going to happen. As it stands, serious reform is dependent on convincing the ASO that it has a stake in the overall growth and global health of the sport when it really has no reason to beyond a very basic level of retaining interest in the key markets and making sure that there are enough decent teams turn up each year. Tough ask.
 
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I don't get the people who think that the UCI packaging the races for TV makes economic sense.

There's no point in packaging all the races. There is no season-long narrative in cycling, such as in Formula 1.

Those wise enough to accept that then think they're clever by suggesting packaging the races into 'groups'. Maybe, say, we can package the Classics? Like what Flanders Classics does. Maybe we could package the major French races, particularly those that form part of the typical Tour prep (Paris-Nice, Critérium du Dauphine, Tour de France)? Which is what ASO does in its various deals with France Télevisions, the EBU etc. Wasn't Cofidis involved in packaging the TV rights of a load of Spanish races?

What's ignored here, though, is that most of the individual broadcasters do not take up the full package available. Look at the ASO races ITV does not show. Most broadcasters are only interested in one race, the Tour de France. So, packaging, it ain't all it's cracked up to me.

Some, of course, ignore that and claim the problem is who is packaging the races, that it should be someone like the UCI selling the rights, not Flanders Classics and ASO etc. What would happen were the UCI to sell the rights to the World Tour, all the rights, including Flanders Classics and ASO etc events? Realistically, Flanders Classics and ASO etc will lose money and the organisers of the shitty little World Tour races will gain.

The very existence of Flanders Classics demonstrates that races will come together if some economic benefit can be shown. ASO will only surrender its position if its position will be shown to improve under a new system. Which, given we have no season long narrative in cycling - not even in the World Tour - can't currently be done.

So, the current races not being inviting enough for TV, we must change the current races. Which is the real blindness of those advocating revenue sharing: they make the short-term pursuit of money the goal and don't care about the long-term damage they'll do to the sport chasing it. How many here watch bike races because they enjoy them and how many watch because of the TV revenue they make? But, we've got to kill the thing we love it order to get the TV revenue of F1 and football.

The nature of cycling is that it is a minority sport. Every now and again, here or there, it booms a bit as a local hero comes along. So America wakes up and takes notice when there's an Armstrong. Australia an Evans. Britain a Wiggins. Germany a Kittel. Look at Van Reeth's TV viewing figures: one of the few countries not to lose audience share this year is the Netherlands, thanks to Tom Dumoulin.

Which means that, in the long term, the future of TV's cycling revenues is ultimately in the hands of the teams, they are the ones who can give the TV companies that which they most want, a local hero. The days are long gone since the Société du Tour de France could encourage Renault to hire Jock Boyer in order to leverage the US market. To some extent, it must be admitted, the future's not looking too bad: look at the Colombians being brought through. That's one of the few TV markets with competition.

As to how the teams get a slice of that money: they already do. In 2011 AG2R was reported to be pulling in more than half a million euros in race fees. You don't hear much about race fees, do you? The money paid by race organisers to teams, a major turnaround from the days when teams had to pay race organisers in order to ride. The money's not much at the moment. The UCI sets the minimum figures, which is €7,500 for WT races. But some races pay more than others. €7,500 is an opening offer, it's up to the teams to leverage their strength to increase it. So shitty little races like the Tour Down Under that want to attract A teams and not B, they pay more than €7,500 (€15,000 to €30,000 was a figure I was told some years ao). And the Tour itself, last time the figure was made public, pays about €55,000. It's up to the AIGCP to negotiate the amount upwards. And we know that race organisers can be encouraged to pay more. Look at the appearance fees paid to individual teams by the Giro. (Another problem here - there is no solidarity among the teams, each looks only to its own interests.)

One question has to be asked: why should the race organisers pay more? Think about this. What are the teams going to do with the money? They're going to blow it on salaries for riders. Now you might say it's a bit paternalistic to be saying the teams can't spend the money how they choose. But you could also say it's in the long term interests of the race organisers not to let wage inflation get out of control and kill the sport (it can damage teams with weaker budgets and it can damage races with prima donna riders - look at BMC in its galácticos phase).

And this is why Vaughters dropped the revenue sharing argument and moved to salary/budget caps. Demonstrate to the race organisers that passing more money back to the teams won't damage the sport and the door is already open for the process by which more money can be passed back. The principal of revenue sharing has long been accepted. All that's really happening in the sport now is haggling over the price.
 
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Nibali: "70 per cent of a team’s visibility comes at the Tour."

Is that a comment on the state of cyling's ability to grab the attention of the media, or is that because he rides for a team that is mostly anonymous the rest of the year?

(Actually, with Bahrain, 70% of the team's visibility comes at the Tour, the other 30% comes courtesy of Franco Pellizotti on social media.)
 
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Nibali: "70 per cent of a team’s visibility comes at the Tour."

Is that a comment on the state of cyling's ability to grab the attention of the media, or is that because he rides for a team that is mostly anonymous the rest of the year?

(Actually, with Bahrain, 70% of the team's visibility comes at the Tour, the other 30% comes courtesy of Franco Pellizotti on social media.)


I agree that that is team dependent. For Movistar the Vuelta is as important if not more important than the Tour and the Spanish races (both WT and Continental) are also important for them and their sponsors. For Quickstep the Classics would be as important as the Tour.
 
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I don't get the people who think that the UCI packaging the races for TV makes economic sense.

There's no point in packaging all the races. There is no season-long narrative in cycling, such as in Formula 1.
No one says the sport has or needs a season-long narrative. But there is nothing wrong with some consistency in the marketing and promotion of the sport and being able to watch all the races via the same broadcast medium. I certainly don't think the UCI are the right organisation for that.

If all the major races were on the same TV channel / media player system, I would pay to have access to it, especially if I was able to watch it when I am ready to watch it and not in the wee hours of the morning when they are typically on for those of us on the other side of the planet.

As it is, the televising of the sport is a mess and I can't even watch many of the races I'd like to watch. I don't see this as being such a radical idea, from a consumer point of view. It's certainly radical for a sport that is made up of multiple fiefdoms and run by self interest.
 
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No one says the sport has or needs a season-long narrative.
Oh FFS.

Brian Cookson: "The structure of elite cycling needs to provide a clear and compelling narrative that is easy for spectators, sponsors and broadcasters to follow."

Want more? Try using Google. No one says the sport needs a season-long narrative? If you're not going to follow the debate, then don't act like you know what you're talking about. Clearly, you don't.

You say you want all the races on the one channel. How do you propose incentivising a single channel to take on that task?

BTW - does football have all its games on the one channel? Cricket? Golf? Horse-racing? Are you living in the real world?
 
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Alex Simmons/RST said:
No one says the sport has or needs a season-long narrative.
Oh FFS.

Brian Cookson: "The structure of elite cycling needs to provide a clear and compelling narrative that is easy for spectators, sponsors and broadcasters to follow."

Want more? Try using Google. No one says the sport needs a season-long narrative? If you're not going to follow the debate, then don't act like you know what you're talking about. Clearly, you don't.

You say you want all the races on the one channel. How do you propose incentivising a single channel to take on that task?

BTW - does football have all its games on the one channel? Cricket? Golf? Horse-racing? Are you living in the real world?
I meant to say no one here.

Not necessarily on one channel, but I'd like to at least be able to see them on TV. At present that's not possible, even though the events are being captured and broadcast somewhere.

Most sport codes here are dominantly shown on one channel. And if not then they are easily accessible without technical difficulty. TV is crying out for such content.

But thanks for the rudeness and dismissiveness.

Then again I suppose that's representative of the state of the sport and the status quo will remain for cycle sport fans across the world hoping to watch more.
 
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TV is crying out for such content.
Is it? What does cycling compete with on ITV 94 in the UK? 118 episodes of Kojak on a never-ending loop. 148 episodes of Quincy ME on a never-ending loop. 114 episodes of Minder on a never-ending loop. 53 episodes of The Sweeney on a never-ending loop. 57 episodes of The Professionals on a never-ending loop. Each on twice a day. Day after day after day after day. Oddly, you never see ITV's decade-and-more coverage of the Tour put on a never-ending loop. Do you know why that is? Sport doesn't really work for repeat viewing. So, is TV really crying out for such content?
 
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Alex Simmons/RST said:
TV is crying out for such content.
Is it? What does cycling compete with on ITV 94 in the UK? 118 episodes of Kojak on a never-ending loop. 148 episodes of Quincy ME on a never-ending loop. 114 episodes of Minder on a never-ending loop. 53 episodes of The Sweeney on a never-ending loop. 57 episodes of The Professionals on a never-ending loop. Each on twice a day. Day after day after day after day. Oddly, you never see ITV's decade-and-more coverage of the Tour put on a never-ending loop. Do you know why that is? Sport doesn't really work for repeat viewing. So, is TV really crying out for such content?
I can't really comment on UK television. Perhaps there are local content laws which see such shows taking up airtime.

But for sure if cycling was able to serve up content that was well packaged it would be taken up by a channel here looking to provide fresh content. There are sport oriented channels and live action plus replays in the hours/days following absolutely is sought. This is what fills the sport oriented channels now except they have to fill the gaps with stuff they'd probably rather not (i.e. not sport).

I think it needs a bit of a Netflix moment.

I can see a streaming/cloud based video and recording service such as Fubo taking such well packaged content in a heart beat. They already have a dedicated cycling channel now. They could be the Netflix for cycle sport, and help to change the paradigm. All major races in one place and viewable in a consistent manner. Indeed when there is more than one race on at the same time, well this is perfect for managing this sort of viewing. I can watch what I want, when I want.

Look at it from the angle of the consumer of sport's viewing. Cycling doesn't have a stadium. If that part of the equation is screwy, well it's never going to progress beyond it's minor niche.
 
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I can't really comment on UK television. Perhaps there are local content laws which see such shows taking up airtime.
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I can't really comment on UK television. Perhaps there are local content laws which see such shows taking up airtime.

But for sure if cycling was able to serve up content that was well packaged it would be taken up by a channel here looking to provide fresh content. There are sport oriented channels and live action plus replays in the hours/days following absolutely is sought. This is what fills the sport oriented channels now except they have to fill the gaps with stuff they'd probably rather not (i.e. not sport).

I think it needs a bit of a Netflix moment.

I can see a streaming/cloud based video and recording service such as Fubo taking such well packaged content in a heart beat. They already have a dedicated cycling channel now. They could be the Netflix for cycle sport, and help to change the paradigm. All major races in one place and viewable in a consistent manner. Indeed when there is more than one race on at the same time, well this is perfect for managing this sort of viewing. I can watch what I want, when I want.

Look at it from the angle of the consumer of sport's viewing. Cycling doesn't have a stadium. If that part of the equation is screwy, well it's never going to progress beyond it's minor niche.

I think this is a great idea. Cycling lends itself wonderfully well to TV, there are lots of races, and done properly the viewing appeals beyond just sport fans – it’s not just France that can show-off local scenery and architecture. But it needs much better delivery - cycling as a packaged product would be attractive to a number of outlets, be they a sports pay TV channel or some form of streaming service as you suggest.

Of course there is no grand narrative in cycling but there are still lots of smaller narratives woven into the fabric of each season which are in themselves often interesting, easy to follow and capable of being packaged and reported on in an engaging manner. There are multiple big names that can be followed through-out the course of a season, often as they chase big goals, whether that be a Sagan building to Flanders/Roubaix or a Froome working towards the Tour. If one producer made most of the content, then you can also have one group of broadcasters/journalists who cover most of the races and provide expert comment, as well as interviews with riders, DSs etc. to build their profiles. Put them all together and they can tell a story, or stories, over the course of each season.

Small example – the Yates brothers. Simon did really well at the Giro, but then blew up and fell just short of a maiden GT win. Adam really struggled at the Tour, and when he finally looked likely to salvage something he crashed. But now Simon is back and gunning for the Vuelta, and Adam is going to try and make amends for his poor Tour by helping his brother to this time go the distance. That’s a good story, told over multiple GTs, and a Yates fan would have an interest in following it through the various races. Of course, it’s no substitute for a proper championship, but it’s still marketable.

But there’s no point debating with FMK – he knows everything already.
 
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I think it needs a bit of a Netflix moment.

I can see a streaming/cloud based video and recording service such as Fubo taking such well packaged content in a heart beat.
With what, 100,000 registered users, Fubo would pay how much for cycling's rights?

We've gone from attempting to discuss viable, economic solutions for the sport, to engaging in fantasy solutions for individual fans.
 

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Alex Simmons/RST said:
TV is crying out for such content.
Is it? What does cycling compete with on ITV 94 in the UK? 118 episodes of Kojak on a never-ending loop. 148 episodes of Quincy ME on a never-ending loop. 114 episodes of Minder on a never-ending loop. 53 episodes of The Sweeney on a never-ending loop. 57 episodes of The Professionals on a never-ending loop. Each on twice a day. Day after day after day after day. Oddly, you never see ITV's decade-and-more coverage of the Tour put on a never-ending loop. Do you know why that is? Sport doesn't really work for repeat viewing. So, is TV really crying out for such content?
I can't really comment on UK television. Perhaps there are local content laws which see such shows taking up airtime.

But for sure if cycling was able to serve up content that was well packaged it would be taken up by a channel here looking to provide fresh content. There are sport oriented channels and live action plus replays in the hours/days following absolutely is sought. This is what fills the sport oriented channels now except they have to fill the gaps with stuff they'd probably rather not (i.e. not sport).

I think it needs a bit of a Netflix moment.

I can see a streaming/cloud based video and recording service such as Fubo taking such well packaged content in a heart beat. They already have a dedicated cycling channel now. They could be the Netflix for cycle sport, and help to change the paradigm. All major races in one place and viewable in a consistent manner. Indeed when there is more than one race on at the same time, well this is perfect for managing this sort of viewing. I can watch what I want, when I want.

Look at it from the angle of the consumer of sport's viewing. Cycling doesn't have a stadium. If that part of the equation is screwy, well it's never going to progress beyond it's minor niche.

Netflix had to raise $1.5bn in debt funding to get where it is today. Which is about $200m in profit. PayPal had to pay $50 to its first 50,000 subscribers from venture funding. This stuff doesn’t happen on its own. No one is going to fund cycling to the levels that Kerry Packer did for World Series to turn cricket from a 5 day event into a made for TV one day event. Unless Elon Musk starts shaving his legs.