The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[poupou]

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

but what i find curious, is where the peloton would decide to set the boundaries. what rules for the insider, can become official rules.

As soon as some bigshot get's away with it, everybody wants in on the action. It is only when someone from a lesser team tries something new that it is frowned upon. It is not so much unwritten rules that guides the peloton as it is pettiness.

its the teams

butter on head v no butter on head team

 

[sniper]

Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

 

[veganrob]

Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

Exactly. As I posted up thread, it takes the removal of one bolt to pull cranks.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Butter on the head???

 

[Catwhoorg]

A reference to Rasmussen's testimony

Was alleged that Zorzoli would use that term to mean positives would slip off (in reference to a rider being unofficially 'protected')

 

[Cookster15]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Butter on the head???

euphemism for UCI protection.

for, non-butter on head, see: Saunier Duval. The useful idjits always have a role to play

 

[jens_attacks]

boss gianetti always had protection and good relation with uci
in 2008, things got out of control with AFLD, it was out of zorzoli's hands
all ended well though and the 50 cera positives never saw the light of the day. could have been the end of the TdF

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

otherwise fair points. finish bikes, plus bikes changed during the race from, say, the top 10.

 

[sniper]

Re:

boss gianetti always had protection and good relation with uci
in 2008, things got out of control with AFLD, it was out of zorzoli's hands
all ended well though and the 50 cera positives never saw the light of the day. could have been the end of the TdF

interesting.
is that intel or did you read that somewhere?

 

[mrhender]

I haven't been following this very closely nor am I technically astute so the following might be a stupid question:

Is it possible to have some kind of motor in the wheel only?

I mean it might be too suspicious to change bikes two times followed by immense performance in between (assuming the rider won't risk "bike testing before and after)..

However a puncture or something that means wheel change is quite often more than once..

So what I'am basically asking is if some kind of effective device could be inserted in wheels only?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

boss gianetti always had protection and good relation with uci
in 2008, things got out of control with AFLD, it was out of zorzoli's hands
all ended well though and the 50 cera positives never saw the light of the day. could have been the end of the TdF

interesting.
is that intel or did you read that somewhere?

no, there were many other positives. I think CSC had 7 from 9 riders. that was the year that Van de Velde rode high on GC, Kirchen rode high, think Schumacher animated stages too. So just look at the results and there are your 50 riders. And Millar and Van de Velde were target tested on day 2 or 3 in the first week as their numbers were really fuzzy.

Ofcourse, this was MCE. aka, machine.... calibration... error.

they dont wanna catch them. So there would have been a heap of Gerolsteiner, Lampre, Liquigas positives too, not just CSC.

 

[avanti]

Have any test results been performed and the results published?

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

otherwise fair points. finish bikes, plus bikes changed during the race from, say, the top 10.

If I was a DS who wanted to risk my whole career on motorbikes, I'd give the motorbikes to my domestiques and have my stars motorpace to victory!

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

otherwise fair points. finish bikes, plus bikes changed during the race from, say, the top 10.

If I was a DS who wanted to risk my whole career on motorbikes, I'd give the motorbikes to my domestiques and have my stars motorpace to victory!

problem is your motorpaced domestique might ride off into the sunset

 

[del1962]

Cippollini stirring things up

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re:

Cippollini stirring things up

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/05/news/contador-laughs-off-bike-motor-rumors-spread-by-cipollini_369990

He joked he's got 5 motor's not one
when they asked him about his "suspicious" bike change before the climb.
He vows to continue the practice.

I not sure that motors and dancing on the pedals are compatible though.

 

[sniper]

it would be nice to hear from ex-pro's what they think of motorization, fiction or reality.
Maybe Joe Papp could chime in?

I don't find Contador particularly suspicious though.
Any discussion about fact vs. fiction of motorization should (imo) start with Cancellara 2010. The footage of PR and RvV had M. Rasmussen and Boogerd near-convinced of motorization.

 

[neineinei]

It's time the Italian media starts asking Chippo about his 1998 TdF EPO positive and his preparatore in Lucca. He was happy to brag about the preparatore to Galimzyanov, why not share it with the rest of us too?

 

[ray j willings]

Looking at the most suspicious case of motor dope, Fab at Roubaix I don't suspect Bertie is using a motor.
Cipo seems to have the bit between is teeth though. It's Interesting. He seems to have some animosity towards Bertie.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

otherwise fair points. finish bikes, plus bikes changed during the race from, say, the top 10.

If I was a DS who wanted to risk my whole career on motorbikes, I'd give the motorbikes to my domestiques and have my stars motorpace to victory!

Exactly. Give the motos to the schleppers who will intentionally finish way way back, as expected, but then fresh as daisies for the last week......

To test for motors, all they would need is an airport security x-ray booth that the bikes would be rolled through as they sign in. Easy.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

In my view the most interesting thing Cipo said was asking why the peleton did not attack when bertie chooses to stop and change bikes.

The idea of not attacking the jersey due to a crash or other misfortune is sensible in my opinion in that it prevents luck determining the victor but if you as the leader chose to waste 30 seconds changing bikes; well if it were me I'd be putting my team on the front and hitting them hard right there.

Wonder whether the others have been warned or threatened by bertie that he will show them up if they do that but he will only beat them slightly if they play ball.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

boss gianetti always had protection and good relation with uci
in 2008, things got out of control with AFLD, it was out of zorzoli's hands
all ended well though and the 50 cera positives never saw the light of the day. could have been the end of the TdF

interesting.
is that intel or did you read that somewhere?

no, there were many other positives. I think CSC had 7 from 9 riders. that was the year that Van de Velde rode high on GC, Kirchen rode high, think Schumacher animated stages too. So just look at the results and there are your 50 riders. And Millar and Van de Velde were target tested on day 2 or 3 in the first week as their numbers were really fuzzy.

Ofcourse, this was MCE. aka, machine.... calibration... error.

they dont wanna catch them. So there would have been a heap of Gerolsteiner, Lampre, Liquigas positives too, not just CSC.

Where are you and jens getting this infor from? Who told you that CSC had 7 positives the year they won the Tour de France?

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Official don't need to be a mechanic to check a bike, they can require that cranks and wheels are take off vy a team mechanic in front of any official.

still,fact is UCI started testing with x-ray technology in 2010/11 (after the cancellara rumors), then dropped it for budgetary reasons, not because it wasn't useful.

Of course x-ray technology would be useful. But its also expensive overkill for solving a simple problem. Pulling a crank or removing a seat post can be done in a few minutes. You don't need expensive X-ray machines. Just enforce post race scrutineering which could be done in minutes.

I agree with veganrob & Popou. The UCI could insist the disassembling be done immediately after riders cross the finish line by team mechanics under the watch of an independent UCI observer. Failure to comply would result in disqualification of the rider and/or team. Problem averted, lots of money saved and we can go back to worrying about human doping.

otherwise fair points. finish bikes, plus bikes changed during the race from, say, the top 10.

If I was a DS who wanted to risk my whole career on motorbikes, I'd give the motorbikes to my domestiques and have my stars motorpace to victory!

Until the next team finds out about doped bikes and gives them to their leaders and your leader who is merely being paced by motorbikes doesn't stand a chance.