The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[la.margna]

We may never know, but I think he did it.

If he did it, we will know one day for sure. Too many people involved. Impossible to keep everybody quiet.

For me, Roubaix is not suspicious at all. But the time for the Kapelmuur raises definitely a few questions...

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

http://www.eurosport.fr/les-comment...'a-pas-tout-dit_post101262/blogpostfull.shtml

Can you help out a monolingual anglophone here? I got a vague impression that Duran was also arguing there were signs Cancellara's bike change was pre-planned, is that correct?

I feel like I need to polish my tinfoil hat for even thinking mechanical cheating might have happened. But that acceleration on the flat, with no increase in cadence or body movement and no change in body position or head position looked kinda weird....Any views on how many people would have to be involved for this to be carried out?

 

[peloton]

If he did it, we will know one day for sure. Too many people involved. Impossible to keep everybody quiet.

lol, look at LA, he has been covered over a decade.

Riis probably has send a donation to the UCI, to make sure the bikes are legal, who cares about a motor, certainly not the UCI.
Bury your head in the sand.

 

[Parrot23]

After watching it again, and again. To me, in PR he looks like he is trying to catch up with a motor with his cadence when he attacks. In Flanders, timing him from his attack to a specific point that can be done with the film from previous years shows that he was several seconds faster than anyone else on that stretch.

But that acceleration on the flat, with no increase in cadence or body movement and no change in body position or head position looked kinda weird

+1 Agree with both of you. Though you have different views of cadence, the whole thing still looks weird in toto.

Edit: yes per post just below and Thoughtforfood, effort (cadence AND/OR torque or leverage or stomping) seem to increase after the speed increase. Whole thing looks out of sync=weird.

And Blackcat above on all these bike changes. Can't see his vid, but with all these bike changes, what is this? F1? (I saw the earlier, very high quality video of his bike change, the one that was taken off the web when folks became suspicious: it was definitely a planned pit stop, very smoothly executed; not something done on the fly or a forced change).

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

+1 Agree with both of you. Though you have different views of cadence, the whole thing still looks weird in toto.

What I really meant to say is that cadence doesn't seem to increase until after the speed increases.....which would make sense if he changed to a bigger gear and was stomping in order to accelerate.....but usually it is possible to see the stomping.....it just looks weird

 

[progressor]

What I really meant to say is that cadence doesn't seem to increase until after the speed increases.....which would make sense if he changed to a bigger gear and was stomping in order to accelerate.....but usually it is possible to see the stomping.....it just looks weird

Agree. The whole drama with the bike changes and that massive acceleration with seemingly no extra effort is bloody suspicious. The more I look at it if I had to take a guess, I'd say he did it.

 

[Escarabajo]

Can somebody help on this question?

Who created the initial videos?

That person sure knows what he was targeting. It would be near impossible for a person who didn't know about the motor bike to catch those video clips. If that person knows He/She must have been involve in the motor bike somehow. Somebody from Specialized maybe. Somebody pi$$ed off at something maybe.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

http://www.eurosport.fr/les-comment...'a-pas-tout-dit_post101262/blogpostfull.shtml

Check the video
Basically they say he changed bike twice prior to the Mollenberg. They show him making the first change. Then they show Breschel trying to change his bike, but there is no mechanic in the back of the car! They show also that Cancellara's bike isn't on the rack. So where are they? Apparently the mechanic has run across the neck of a loop the course takes, and catches up with Cancellara on the other side, where he again changes bike, as shown by an amateur video. The question is, what did the mechanic do to the bike, since apparently he took off without any tools. What did he repair? On the other hand, I guess what isn't being said in the video, it's easy to change the bidon where the battery is supposedly concealed...

They also comment on how late in the race the bike changes occurred, so it couldn't have been about having different tyre pressures or anything like that.

Jacky Duran finishes by saying Cancellara will be under heavy scrutiny of course now, so he should go ahead and prove his innocence by winning the Tour of Switzerland.

Pretty amazing video. I think Breschel was very surprised to look in the car and see no mechanic. Strange that neither the mechanic not Cancellara's bike were there.

 

[HelmutRoole]

After watching it again, and again. To me, in PR he looks like he is trying to catch up with a motor with his cadence when he attacks. In Flanders, timing him from his attack to a specific point that can be done with the film from previous years shows that he was several seconds faster than anyone else on that stretch.

I think he did it. We may never know, but I think he did it.

Saw the same thing while he motored over the Mollenberg in the saddle. Looked like he couldn/t get out of the saddle even if he wanted -- pedals were going too fast, like on a downhill.

Damn. If a guy takes drugs, then it's like, okay, there's still a possibility he'll poison himself like Basso in the Giro a couple years back or he'll grab a bad batch and it won't take, but a motor? A motor in the frameset? That's just jacked up. That ranks up there with cutting the course or taking a train to the finish line. I mean in comparison, you have to respect the doping. At least there's something to it. This, it's just, "Fab, push this button when you need a kick."

I bet Armstrong's all, "Damnit... they know about the motor. What's this going to do to my Tour chances?"

 

[autologous]

Interesting that the eurosport video uses a blurry computer screen grab/recording to show the footage of the slickest bike change, where the mechanic is waiting in the crowd and Cancellara barely misses a pedal stroke as he pulls off seamless running bike swap.

That bike change was noted immediately in a couple of blogs (cyclocosm comes to mind), but since then someone has been playing whack-a-mole with that video - every time it makes an appearance on youtube, it is then removed. It's not some big network's tv coverage - not like RAI forcing worldcyclinchannel to pull their much appreciated giro videos from youtube - but looks like amateur video, in the right place at the right time, no commentators, just a bit of crowd noise. Then Eurosport itself can't get the video or rights to show it. Strange when the video was first deleted a couple weeks after it popped up, even stranger now.

I had a youtube link to a screen recording of the original video, it lasted a while, but it too has gone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T25fqnRb-mU

Someone really doesn't want people to see that bike swap.

 

[blackcat]

everyone talking about the body language, and the effort in the attacks, seeming not there. I will repost this, from the start of the thread

one of the most impressive performances I have ever seen on a bike, is Cancellara in 2008 Tour de Suisse, stage 9 where he was off the front in about the last 7kms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWljwietzYo

compare the upper body and technique.

I know the reference, is:
(1st example)au bloc, over the last 7 or so km,
versus
(2nd example)the last 50km in Roubaix or last 30km in Flanders.

So, I acknowledge, he might be putting out, 550 watts in Suisse over only 8 minutes, versus 500 watts in the monuments. But one was riding away from classics riders, one was riding away from a Protour peloton on a flattish stage (which ofcourse, requires a massive effort, but not in the mode of the monuments)

opinions?

 

[cyclingnutz]

The truth about the doped bike. All the secrets of the electric battery included in the bike. Ingeneers answered to some questions we asked about Cancellara's races. Watch this video and you'll learn a lot about his bike, also named the doped bike. Just watch it : the truth !! We also found his bicycle, and analysed it. It seems to be a normal race bike, but it's not : it's an electric one that he used in the Paris-roubaix race, and in the Tour des flandres. You'll see how he managed to change the bike during the race! Truth about Fabian Cancellara's bike ! (This is a parody)

http://cyclingnutz.com/community/videos/62-cyclingnutz/216-CANCELLARA+EXCLUSIVE+the+truth+about+the+doped+bike+

 

[la.margna]

sarkastic: probably that's Riis' understanding of "clean" cycling... clean energy?!

 

[Parrot23]

sarkastic: probably that's Riis' understanding of "clean" cycling... clean energy?!

LOL, they're VERY progressive in Denmark. Windmill might be a tad hard to hide on the bike, though! I bet Bjarne already has lithium mining claims staked out in Afghanistan (vast deposits been found there):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?hp

I would guess the Cancellera stuff has just been episodic, i.e., this year just in the very two classics with lots of cobbles, where the sound it easier to hide, and maybe last year at Mendrisio (a self-described "rouleur" competitive with >14,000 feet of climbing??).

Bjarne has needed a sponsor badly (Schlecks were rumoured to be leaving last winter). An existential crisis for Bjarne. More "overcoming" kind of stuff.

BTW: they should try Duracell or EverReady--or the Afghanistan Ministry of Mines. Looking forward to the jersey Hope QuickStep don't resort to RPG/IED attacks on the Saxo convoy.

 

[wattage]

one of the most impressive performances I have ever seen on a bike, is Cancellara in 2008 Tour de Suisse, stage 9 where he was off the front in about the last 7kms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWljwietzYo

compare the upper body and technique.

I know the reference, is:
(1st example)au bloc, over the last 7 or so km,
versus
(2nd example)the last 50km in Roubaix or last 30km in Flanders.

So, I acknowledge, he might be putting out, 550 watts in Suisse over only 8 minutes, versus 500 watts in the monuments. But one was riding away from classics riders, one was riding away from a Protour peloton on a flattish stage (which ofcourse, requires a massive effort, but not in the mode of the monuments)

opinions?

Even Fabian needs to be seriously jacked up for having FTP of 500 watts. Anyone who has ever ridden powermeter knows what kind of effort 500 watt feels like..it's absolute murder for even pro riders to maintain for 5 minutes. Then someone doing that for an hour...that just screams doping

 

[Anonymous]

everyone talking about the body language, and the effort in the attacks, seeming not there. I will repost this, from the start of the thread

Contrast your reference with this from 2:10 on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xjsPqHg3o

He stands up just before this to go with the attack, and then sits down and takes off with no evidence of greater effort. It looks like what Helmut said, like he is going downhill.

 

[la.margna]

As the rumour mill continues to turn, it is getting more and more difficult to judge the credibility and validity of statements. However, in addition to the thought-provoking new revelations by Jacky Durand about the bike changes, now an italian producer of cycling textiles claims, that after the victory of FC in Vlaanderen, his winning bike was hastily exchanged against an identical looking bike from Saxo's team bus...

again, hard to judge the truth in it and it doesn't evidence anything, but it increasingly seems that Saxo is hiding something with regard to Vlaanderen 2010... In the article, Cassani confirms again, (as already mentioned in the original RAI video) that the source that provided the bike, claims that it has been used in the pro peloton.

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=30172&tp=n

 

[Archibald]

watching the flanders one again reminds me a bit of basso/evans on zoncolan in their riding styles - although not as steep, but neither boonen nor cancellara are climbers. Better gear selection like basso had? perhaps.
i wasn't too surprised at this one - the world's best tt rider riding away from a sprinter who's had his day...

PR looks to be a different matter though.

 

[Anonymous]

watching the flanders one again reminds me a bit of basso/evans on zoncolan in their riding styles - although not as steep, but neither boonen nor cancellara are climbers. Better gear selection like basso had? perhaps.
i wasn't too surprised at this one - the world's best tt rider riding away from a sprinter who's had his day...

PR looks to be a different matter though.

Its the speed he climbs, not the fact that he dropped Boonen. He climbs that part of the Muur faster than anyone in any year. by 5 seconds or so for a an approx. 30 second section...and made it look freakishly easy compared to anyone else on that section.

 

[blackcat]

watching the flanders one again reminds me a bit of basso/evans on zoncolan in their riding styles - although not as steep, but neither boonen nor cancellara are climbers. Better gear selection like basso had? perhaps.
i wasn't too surprised at this one - the world's best tt rider riding away from a sprinter who's had his day...

PR looks to be a different matter though.

Boonen was the best I have seen in the last decade on the Flanders bergs. He hit them, and smashed them, and always gapped anyone in a cinch, at his leisure.

You lose all credibility when you say he is a sprinter who has had his day.

Never was a sprinter. Always a guy for the monuments in the spring. See his debut at Roubaix.

 

[Anonymous]

Its the speed he climbs, not the fact that he dropped Boonen. He climbs that part of the Muur faster than anyone in any year. by 5 seconds or so for a an approx. 30 second section...and made it look freakishly easy compared to anyone else on that section.

Velonews reported SRM readings of 1450 watts at the point where Boonen was dropped. This is after 240km of racing.

The SRM is measured stress at the crank spider. I don't think the SRM would be able to pick up a motor at the crank spindle. If FC had a motor and threw down 1450W then you might have a strange looking video that stirs up some speculation...

 

[Parrot23]

now an italian producer of cycling textiles claims, that after the victory of FC in Vlaanderen, his winning bike was hastily exchanged against an identical looking bike from Saxo's team bus...

The Specialized video a few days later, supposed to be of Cancellera's bike the next day after Flanders or Roubaix (can't remember which) was suspicious. They said it hadn't been cleaned (and it was dusty but not lot and not mud-caked). This was supposed to make it authentically Fabian's bike, ROFLMAO.

Give me a break. Fabian's winning bike is left dirty for a day or two after a monument?? They presented another bike. No way it was his.

 

[Anonymous]

The Specialized video a few days later, supposed to be of Cancellera's bike the next day after Flanders or Roubaix (can't remember which) was suspicious. They said it hadn't been cleaned (and it was dusty but not lot and not mud-caked). This was supposed to make it authentically Fabian's bike, ROFLMAO.

Give me a break. Fabian's winning bike is left dirty for a day or two after a monument?? They presented another bike. No way it was his.

For sure the wheels were changed. I think the Specialized photos had Zipp 101's. FC raced on, I think, Zipp 303 carbons.

 

[MacRoadie]

Give me a break. Fabian's winning bike is left dirty for a day or two after a monument?? They presented another bike. No way it was his.

I guess I'm missing something then.

Are you saying that they normally would have his winning bike cleaned, but they "accidentlly" grabbed a dirty ringer bike? This is a Pro Tour Service Course, accustomed to cleaning EVERY bike EVERY night and they mistakenly grab a dirty machine representing that it was Canc's? Obviously at least one bike, his or not, was still dirty a day or two after the race. Probably deliberately so since their first job would NORMALLY be to wash them all.

The more logical explanation is that it WAS the winning machine and was left in the exact condition it was in when it won, similar to a game-worn athletic jersey. Possibly bound for Specialized as a trophy, or maybe a museum or designated for auction?

 

[slowoldman]

The more logical explanation is that it WAS the winning machine and was left in the exact condition it was in when it won, similar to a game-worn athletic jersey. Possibly bound for Specialized as a trophy, or maybe a museum or designated for auction?

I agree completely Mac. They would tend to display the winning bike as it was when he finished P-R.

Call me naive, but I think all this motorized bike stuff is nonsense. Somebody is having a huge laugh right now.....