The Grand 2022 Wollongong UCI Road World Championships Thread, September 18th-25th

[Tim Cahill]

6.45 GMT I think is the magic time, hopefully I don't wake up to 'the race is already exploded early doors and if you're tuning in jut now you've missed everything'. Going through 5-7 bags of Yorkshire a day average at the moment but this could be the first double digit brew day in some time.

 

[Blanco]

Van der Poel would be an excellent companion to attack with from far out. He will commit fully and ride 100%. Then Evenepoel can easily drop him in the final lap, considering Evenepoel, unlike Van der Poel, doesn't fade away after a long range attack. It would be a much bigger problem if Pogacar joined him. He's not going to drop Pogacar 1v1 and he's not going to outsprint him either.

PS: Adrie's advice to Mathieu in case Evenepoel attacks: "Don't try to follow him." (click)

If he's going 70-100 km out, then yeah, let him go, but in the last 3 laps, I think Van Der Poel will mark Remco personally, if he has the legs of course. And no, if Van Der Poel has De Ronde form, Remco won't drop him.
Anyway, I would really love to see an attack containing these two, and I guess, cause it's not the most difficult course, they would be joined by a couple of more guys. Some French and Italian would be a good combination, and a dream scenario would include Peter Sagan also.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Isn't this too hard for Laporte with these altimeters? I can't see him follow the climber types, definitely if it's been a hard race.

Did you watch any of Paris-Nice, E3 Prijs and Tour of Denmark this year?

 

[Andre]

That would depend on the country you're in.

USA

 

[Unchained]

Almost sure that was the best women's race and finish I have seen in 10+ years.. I absolutely loved it..

 

[Andre]

So...I'm currently in Florida...I'm guessing the men's road race will start in about 5 hours?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Some numbers.

Van der Poel:
200+ km races: 7 wins out of 44 = 15.90%
250+ km races: 2 wins out of 13 = 15.38%

Van Aert:
200+ km races: 14 wins out of 76 = 18.42%
250+ km races: 3 wins out of 20 = 15.00%

Pogacar:
200+ km races: 6 wins out of 41 = 14.63%
250+ km races: 1 wins out of 12 = 8.33%

Evenepoel:
200+ km races: 6 wins out of 32 = 18.75%
250+ km races: 1 win out of 3 = 33.33%

Laporte:
200+ km races: 4 wins out of 100 = 4%
250+ km races: 0 wins out of 31 = 0%

Cosnefroy:
200+ km races: 3 wins out of 79 = 3.80%
250+ km races: 1 wins out of 17 = 5.88%

Hayter:
200+ km races: 0 wins out of 24 = 0%
250+ km races: 0 wins out of 6 = 0%

 

[awavey]

I think she has less blame for the last km with avv, where she was kind of boxed in, than for not coorperating fully in the group. When she evaluates the race without the high race pulse, I hope she learns from it. It is kind of a new situation for her though, not being the underdog in group 1 and she got too defensive, imo.

but surely in those situations the racers instinct is to attack ? avv rides past them like they are standing still and none of them, none of them reacted to it, who did they think it was ? another magpie attacking ???

I tell my friends oh the womens race is going to be far more interesting and attacking and will be far better than the mens for sure, and then Im left trying to explain how all the riders in the lead group within touching distance of the finish of a world championship race, not only did not react and simply looked at each other the instant Avv just rode past them, just let her carry on with it to solo to victory.

I liked Kasias instagram post where she posts a photo of her group and says basically "and just like that none of us ended with the medal..." which just sums it up, I dont understand why theyve become so reticent to work together thesedays, they just ride so defensively, its infuriating.

 

[Didinho]

Did you watch any of Paris-Nice, E3 Prijs and Tour of Denmark this year?

Yes offcourse, but that was mainly 1 climb like this in P-N. Not 12 times with some better competitors and 260km. But he's really strong this year, he could prove me wrong. The best riders of the day will end up in front if it's ridden fast every climb.

 

[Samamba]

Well he's been very good this year, many ones and twos and like we saw in the Tour in Mende. Good pick imho.

"very good".
He got 2 wins, one in Catalunya beating a sick Colbrelli & Pacher, and the other in the Tour from a breakaway.
I have no idea why so many people are pretending like he got some god tier season. Don't get me wrong, he has shown some great things this year and I'm not saying there is absolutely 0 chance he wins, but there's no valid reason to put him in between or even above some of the best riders in the world on star lists.

 

[Andre]

$150.00 USD Paid Yearly ...a bit steep. I just want to watch one race...The WC road race

 

[Hugo Koblet]

When is the race expected to finish? When will I have to get up if I want to catch the last, say, 60 km? Sorry if this has been up before.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

$150.00 USD Paid Yearly ...a bit steep. I just want to watch one race...The WC road race

Search for Tiz cycling; it's erm free.

The GCN/Discovery/Eurosport thing is much cheaper than $150.

 

[Sciatic]

I think she has less blame for the last km with avv, where she was kind of boxed in, than for not coorperating fully in the group. When she evaluates the race without the high race pulse, I hope she learns from it. It is kind of a new situation for her though, not being the underdog in group 1 and she got too defensive, imo.

When things really exploded behind Lippert and Niewadoma on the penultimate lap climb, she lost several wheel lengths and had to claw herself back to the front group. I was surprised she stated right with everyone on that final climb, but it still may have maxed her out (or perhaps in her head was too close to blowing up).

 

[Sciatic]

So...I'm currently in Florida...I'm guessing the men's road race will start in about 5 hours?

It’s a 14-hr time difference for you. So about 8pm your time.

 

[memyselfandI]

"very good".
He got 2 wins, one in Catalunya beating a sick Colbrelli & Pacher, and the other in the Tour from a breakaway.
I have no idea why so many people are pretending like he got some god tier season. Don't get me wrong, he has shown some great things this year and I'm not saying there is absolutely 0 chance he wins, but there's no valid reason to put him in between or even above some of the best riders in the world on star lists.

These listings are arbitrary.. I know he's not in such form like he was when he took green in 2017 Tour and was 3rd in Bergen (that btw was bit like tomorrows route that city circuit).

 

[Netserk]

but surely in those situations the racers instinct is to attack ? avv rides past them like they are standing still and none of them, none of them reacted to it, who did they think it was ? another magpie attacking ???

I tell my friends oh the womens race is going to be far more interesting and attacking and will be far better than the mens for sure, and then Im left trying to explain how all the riders in the lead group within touching distance of the finish of a world championship race, not only did not react and simply looked at each other the instant Avv just rode past them, just let her carry on with it to solo to victory.

I liked Kasias instagram post where she posts a photo of her group and says basically "and just like that none of us ended with the medal..." which just sums it up, I dont understand why theyve become so reticent to work together thesedays, they just ride so defensively, its infuriating.

When it's all about an immediate response that you don't have time to think about, bravery is associated with a manly kind of stupid. So in the finale of races, I'd expect female racers to be more hesitant.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Search for Tiz cycling; it's erm free.

The GCN/Discovery/Eurosport thing is much cheaper than $150.

There is a free official UCI stream on youtube according to the link you posted, no need for TIZ.

 

[Lequack]

 

[Wyndbrook]

u23 results here & are surprisingly hard to find

UCI tactic.

 

[search]

"very good".
He got 2 wins, one in Catalunya beating a sick Colbrelli & Pacher, and the other in the Tour from a breakaway.
I have no idea why so many people are pretending like he got some god tier season. Don't get me wrong, he has shown some great things this year and I'm not saying there is absolutely 0 chance he wins, but there's no valid reason to put him in between or even above some of the best riders in the world on star lists.

who would you rate higher? Het Nieuwsblad for example always has one guy at five stars, two at four, and so on,

Swapping him with van der Poel and giving Matthews three stars instead would be fine of course, but I can't really see how any of the two star riders (Cosnefroy, Alaphilippe, Hayter, van Baarle) would deserve to be rated higher than him on a course like this.

 

[Unchained]

When things really exploded behind Lippert and Niewadoma on the penultimate lap climb, she lost several wheel lengths and had to claw herself back to the front group. I was surprised she stated right with everyone on that final climb, but it still may have maxed her out (or perhaps in her head was too close to blowing up).

The times that the break of 5 got up and tried to up the pace was breathtaking.. And none have any shame from over the top great effort.. Poland and South Africa should celebrate the style rather than results.. Raced like champions wo the title.. Belgium should go home disappointed especially after post race interviews were it's clear that the win was done without being able to sprint, said shoulder and elbow to damaged for any significant pressure.. Nobody reacted.. But when they did lots of speed.. Too late there are post race interviews w a few riders on YouTube

 

[topcat]

Alaphilippe is going to win and I'm so sure about it, I'm not even getting up early for it. Going to slob it in bed till 7 and catch the last hour. I'll miss the battle of wits between the insomniacs and the Aussies but I need my beauty sleep.

 

[Netserk]

Riders should do this in the races. It reduces rolling resistance by 50%.

I know you're joking, but I still feel obligated: https://www.researchgate.net/public...ber_of_wheels_in_human-powered_vehicle_design

It actually increases rolling resistance.

It seems absurd to me that the difference should be that high just because Evenepoel is low and aero. I just don't believe it.

As a first approximation, I'd assume that it'd be proportional to CdA. If that's roughly the case, then 100 W is an unbelievable difference.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

who would you rate higher? Het Nieuwsblad for example always has one guy at five stars, two at four, and so on,

Swapping him with van der Poel and giving Matthews three stars instead would be fine of course, but I can't really see how any of the two star riders (Cosnefroy, Alaphilippe, Hayter, van Baarle) would deserve to be rated higher than him on a course like this.

Matthews has 1 win and 17 top 10s out of 41 races of 250+k. His win was 8 years ago in the Giro, where he beat Wellens and Evans in a sprint of 4.