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Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

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Samamba

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Monte Serra said:
If that's true, they burned it all on their great investments Jakobsen and Barguil.
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They extended Onley and Poole. And also are wasting money on others like Degenkolb or Eekhof or Bevin (ok, they couldn't know but still.

But the biggest reason why their team isn't as stacked as some others with a similar budget is cause they chose to spend way more on performance related things than other teams, they have always done it like that. They also used to pay devo riders a lot more than others (probably not the case anymore with superteams having devoteams now).

Also PostNL came pretty late in the 2023 season if I remember correctly, they didn't really have the time to spend all that money. Haven't seen any rumors regarding DSM tho.
 
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What's actually involved in buying a rider out of his contract? Is it just to compensate the team that holds the contract on the opportunity cost loss of losing the rider or is there any tangible part of the buy out?
 
ingsve

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Regarding the question of whether Van Aert is or should be leaving Visma. What would their classics team look like if they let him go? They are already losing the Van Dijke brothers and Tratnik so are they just going all in on Per Strand Hagenes or something? Looks to me they would already need reinforcements rather than losing even more classics riders.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel

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ingsve said:
Regarding the question of whether Van Aert is or should be leaving Visma. What would their classics team look like if they let him go? They are already losing the Van Dijke brothers and Tratnik so are they just going all in on Per Strand Hagenes or something? Looks to me they would already need reinforcements rather than losing even more classics riders.
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Laporte, Jorgenson, Benoot, Hagenes, Teunissen, Kooij would still be a good core for the classics imo.
 
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RJH said:
Gusev has made his comeback:

Vladimir Gusev

Vladimir Gusev (born 1982-07-04 in Nizhny Novgorod) is a former professional road racing cyclist from Russia, active between 2000 and 2025. His best results are winning GC Tour of Belgium and winning GC Sachsen-tour International Um Den Sparkassen-cup.
www.procyclingstats.com www.procyclingstats.com

Great news… Hope to see him back at maybe Astana soon, so that he could win a TdS MTF next year, like he did on Grimselpass 2007. Welcome back, Gusev :)
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As far as I know, he moved into Emirates after riding for the Dubai Team that featured Mancebo, Haddi, Pliuschin, Edgar Pinto, among others, and has held a post in the coaching and development of local young riders.

He has been riding national events with a local club at least during the last couple of years. He also rode some endurance challenges and events in the past.

Definitely, it's not a competitive comeback. He did not even take part in the 2023 Sharjah Tour, which his club rode, despite being in the preliminar startlist and which featured another former pro, Johnny Hoogerland, supporting Grega Bole. That race is the only (semi) professional event for non WT teams in the Emirates.

It's a shame his career stalled after Brunyeel decided to kick him from Discovery for returning "abnormal values" in an internal blood test when he was about to sign for the emerging Katusha.
 
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ingsve said:
Regarding the question of whether Van Aert is or should be leaving Visma. What would their classics team look like if they let him go? They are already losing the Van Dijke brothers and Tratnik so are they just going all in on Per Strand Hagenes or something? Looks to me they would already need reinforcements rather than losing even more classics riders.
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Lol. Per Strand Hagenes? Have you missed the part where Christophe Laporte, Tiesj Benoot and Matteo Jorgenson are quite good in the classics, [[deleted]]?
 
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Armchair Cyclist

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ingsve said:
What's actually involved in buying a rider out of his contract? Is it just to compensate the team that holds the contract on the opportunity cost loss of losing the rider or is there any tangible part of the buy out?
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https://escapecollective.com/the-uci-overhauls-the-rules-on-rider-transfers/ said:
a team interested in poaching a rider from another squad “shall inform the rider’s current team of such intention before entering into discussions related to the envisaged contract with the rider.” A new contract can only be signed after a transfer agreement is reached between all three parties and the UCI is provided with proof of termination of the old contract.
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Presumably the team already holding the contract can determine for themselves what compensation is adequate for them to agree to it.

A figure of 100million (presumably euro) is often quoted as a release clause in Pogacar's contract is often quoted: I suspect that for most riders there is no amount in an agreement between the rider and the team, and the size of that number (and the fact that it is the only case in which such a detail is given) suggests that it is for PR purposes rather than just to deter Burgos BH from trying to prise him away.
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Presumably the team already holding the contract can determine for themselves what compensation is adequate for them to agree to it.

A figure of 100million (presumably euro) is often quoted as a release clause in Pogacar's contract is often quoted: I suspect that for most riders there is no amount in an agreement between the rider and the team, and the size of that number (and the fact that it is the only case in which such a detail is given) suggests that it is for PR purposes rather than just to deter Burgos BH from trying to prise him away.
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Unfortunately, if the rider like Van Aert (or which Blobloblo first tried to do) unilaterally terminates his contract prematurely against the rules, Visma-LAB (or any other team that would do the same) doesn't have to pay compensation at all. No negotiation. No upholding of the rules as written.
 
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Netserk said:
Unfortunately, if the rider like Van Aert (or which Blobloblo first tried to do) unilaterally terminates his contract prematurely against the rules, Visma-LAB (or any other team that would do the same) doesn't have to pay compensation at all. No negotiation. No upholding of the rules as written.
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If a rider unilaterally breaks his contract, then there is no contract to buy him out of (which is the question that Ingsve asked).
I would hope (but do not necessarily have enough trust in the UCI to assume) that in such a casse then there would be strenuous investigation as to the antecedents of that.

If (lets remove real names) Jack Peddeller suddenly resigns from Team Respectably-Average and comes to a settlement with them over the remainder of his contract, and then 2 weeks later signs for BigCashR_Us Pro Racing, there should be checks as to whether BigCash had spoken to Peddler or his agent Mickey Fingers before that shock mid-season resignation. If it is found that there was contact, then BigCash would have a 12 month embargo on making signings, Peddeller would have a three month suspension*, he and BigCash would be fined , Fingers would have his licence suspended (edited from my initial impressions gained from the article: more detail a few posts down). The article is not clear as to whether the new contract with BigCash is considered valid or whether Respectably-Average would receive something beyond what they agreed with Peddeller.



* : @skidmark would have to decide how that effects his CQ game price the next season (corrected, apologies to both)
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
If a rider unilaterally breaks his contract, then there is no contract to buy him out of (which is the question that Ingsve asked).
I would hope (but do not necessarily have enough trust in the UCI to assume) that in such a casse then there would be strenuous investigation as to the antecedents of that.

If (lets remove real names) Jack Peddeller suddenly resigns from Team Respectably-Average and comes to a settlement with them over the remainder of his contract, and then 2 weeks later signs for BigCashR_Us Pro Racing, there should be checks as to whether BigCash had spoken to Peddler or his agent Mickey Fingers before that shock mid-season resignation. If it is found that there was contact, then BigCash would have a 12 month embargo on making signings, Peddeller would have a three month suspension*, he and Fingers would be fined up to CHF 150,000 each, Fingers would have his licence suspended, and BigCash would be fined 1.5M (article not quite clear on the amounts of the fines). The article is not clear as to whether the new contract with BigCash is considered valid or whether Respectably-Average would receive something beyond what they agreed with Peddeller.



* : @search would have to decide how that effects his CQ game price the next season
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I don't think I've ever seen such measures applied in cycling.
 
Ilmaestro99

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Hell-G said:
Victor Langellotti (Burgod-BH) to Ineos Grenadiers:


https://twitter.com/x/status/1814611461907386713

View: https://x.com/dnlbenson/status/1814611461907386713​

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Hahahhahahajjaa this is the best transfer I have ever seen. Suffered through years of them being the best GT team in the world with guys like Peter kenaough and gerant Thomas to see this comedy gold

With langleotti in their ranks they are surely now able to challenge Paul double and Harold martin lopes for the tour of Turkey next year.
 
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Armchair Cyclist

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Indeed, looking at the rules themselves rather than the Escape Collective summary of them (2.15.120-125), Peddeller signing for BigCash would trigger the involvement of the President of the UCI Arbitral Board (who will perhaps need to be woken from his slumbers and told not only that such a role exists, but that he holds it), and if the BigCash contract is worth more than that with Respectably-Average, there will be no assumption that the termination was legal.

Also it appears that the contract with BigCash would be accepted by the UCI (although there is acknowledgement that other legislatures might overrule), and that BigCash& Peddeller between them can be required to give the remaining value of Peddeller's contract (and at least 6 month's worth) to Respectably-Average.

The fines are not as I thought above: three moths of his new contract to BigCash, one month and one month suspension to Fingers. But if Peddeller or Fingers is found to have given false info to BigCash about how he became available, then Fingers is liable to 2 moths salary fine, and Fingers to three months (of Peddeleler's salary).

I think.
 
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