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Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

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Ilmaestro99 said:
I am not entirely familiar with the discussion or circumstances, but people in this thread seem to be discussing a talented young belge rider with an arrogant and self-centred attitude? Someone not liked by peers?

I am baffled by this. They are usually so friendly and modest these young talents from belge. Great country
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Yeah because most young talents from other countries don't come across as arrogant...
 
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RJH said:
Patrik Sinkewitz is free to race from September 2024 on… Back from his doping suspension.
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Like our forum prophet/lunatic once foretold:

Skijumper Roglic fan said:
Very, very good point :) - which shows that you read my posts carefully, which I appreciate very much… :)

Indeed, I have the feeling that Lefevere is building a super team for Sinkewitz here, for the Ardennes in 2025:

Sinkewitz (leader), and domestiques
Remco,
Ala,
van Wilder,
Bagioli,
Vansevenant,
Vingegaard, and
Kuss.

I think this will Patrik give huge morale boost. Possibly Patrik will be so motivated now that in 2024, last year before comeback, he‘ll already be at race weight - sharper than ever, rumours speak of no more than 40, or 45 kgs… (Was very skinny in his last days at Meridiana, already)…

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Samamba said:
If there's actually a release clause of only 25000 dollars Lotto has nothing to say (and they honestly shouldve never signed him in the first place imo if that kind of release clause was needed).

Also like I said, Bora was talking to Widar (or his agents) before Avenir, so before it went wrong, and before the tantrum. Of course it could be that something already was going on behind the scenes (haven't heard anything but could be) but this sounds more like Widar complaining in the press on purpose so people won't blame him for leaving.

Also what sponsors? :sweatsmile:
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Can’t find any article a out Widar and Bora. Any link?
 
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yaco said:
Jayco sign Trinity talent Robert Donaldson. 2nd in the under PR, so he could end up a classics rider. If he is good, he will soon be the leader of jayco's classic squad.
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He is highly rated by Trinity I believe, was dragging Blackmore around last week but has a lot of potential to go for his own results. He was in talks with Ineos but I am glad it didn't materialise to be honest.
 
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Congrats to Stites on getting a European contract.

So far, it would be unreasonable to suggest that he was ready for the WT.

hayneplane said:
He is a bit of a fraud really with a talent for self promotion and false pretences of EF being a small renegade team trying to mix it with the big boys.
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Getting American talent is difficult when your budget is substantially less than Inoes.

As far as Vaughters, I don't see a lot of tweets on X in recent years, let alone self-promotion. (Not sure what you are referring to)
 
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nedhill said:
Congrats to Stites on getting a European contract.

So far, it would be unreasonable to suggest that he was ready for the WT.


Getting American talent is difficult when your budget is substantially less than Inoes.

As far as Vaughters, I don't see a lot of tweets on X in recent years, let alone self-promotion. (Not sure what you are referring to)
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It will take a lot of tail-tucked-between-the-legs to erase the decade of shameless hypocrisy and self-promotion that preceded it though.

He just has adjusted his stance to recognise a few things:
1) far fewer people are buying his snake oil anymore so he has to sell it in different ways (he used to have a huge number of acolytes across cycling discussion boards back in the early days of the team and in the era between Lance's Comeback 2.0 and the Reasoned Decision, who would take his word as gospel and believe him to be some benevolent sage who only wanted what was best for the sport, which coincidentally would always coincide with what was best for him);
2) he doesn't have to push the "cycling is clean now, especially my team even though it has lots of dopers in it" narrative anything like as aggressively now the péloton is not filled with Bassos and Valverdes whose dirty laundry is already public knowledge front and centre;
3) his "I would quit the sport if any of my riders ever tested positive" narrative that he pushed so aggressively would come back to bite him if he kept pushing it when his riders are about the only ones still testing positive - even if usually for stuff they've done before he's signed them.

He has also managed somehow - and this is something that is genuinely impressive, no joke - to maintain overall control of the team through a minimum of two mergers of WT level teams despite his team being the smaller of the two in both mergers (with Cervélo and with Liquigas-Cannondale), as well as killing another ProConti team (Drapac) by persuading its sponsors to drop them mid-season to join his team and bail his squad out.

However, he also, in the Cervélo merger, acquired the strongest and most successful women's team in the world, and promptly dismantled it within a year so that he could steal its funds and use them to sign Thomas Dekker off of a doping ban, outed his own riders as dopers on social media (including on this very forum) and then tried to paint himself as a progressive visionary of the future for women's cycling because the UCI halted the growth of his beloved Hammer Series, because he has aggressively pushed any and all changes that lock the top division off and hand guarantees to teams, because he grew his team from the lower divisions to reach the top tier, and he's terrified that if anybody else is allowed to do that, his team might be the one that gets pushed out, so he wants to gatekeep the top division.

There are nevertheless a fair few good things that Jonathan Vaughters has done for cycling, but the amount of bad things he's done, plus his smug, sanctimonious attitude about those good things he's done, mean that a lot of people have a hard time really buying the image of Vaughters that he likes to project, as some benevolent force for good in the sport.

Stites has had two good seasons at the Conti level where he's won or podiumed some decent races and while he will need to improve to show he's WT material, he's definitely earned a ProConti team run-out. I wish him all the best with the opportunity. Caja Rural have a decent but unspectacular track record for development, given he's 26 already time will tell, but he's been successful across enough places over a couple of seasons for me to hope that he won't be a Danilo Celano.
 
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nedhill said:
Congrats to Stites on getting a European contract.

So far, it would be unreasonable to suggest that he was ready for the WT.


Getting American talent is difficult when your budget is substantially less than Inoes.

As far as Vaughters, I don't see a lot of tweets on X in recent years, let alone self-promotion. (Not sure what you are referring to)
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Watch him any time he appears on Eurosport/Discovery+ in the studio. Then you will understand.
 
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