Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

[RedheadDane]

It's a bit like how in his first pro year everyone thought Pierre Latour was called Pierre-Roger Latour even though Roger is his third/Christian name

How is it his third name? Do they have a really strange way of counting names in France?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

How is it his third name? Do they have a really strange way of counting names in France?

Might just be my Belgian ass but your first name is obv your first name, your surname is your second name. and than your Christian names count as your third or fourth.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Just be awkward I believe in UK law all given names (one or many) are your first name and surname is second. There is no third or fourth etc.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I thought the mistake was that Latour wasn't even named Roger.

Moolman Pasio's contract extension has now been confirmed, and she'll keep on riding for another two years.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Does Josh Charlton have a team? He's just recovered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and really not done much road cycling.

If nobody was looking they surely are now, there's potential and then some, I knew he was a pretty good track guy but that was unexpected to say the least.

Meanwhile;

 

[RedheadDane]

Might just be my Belgian ass but your first name is obv your first name, your surname is your second name. and than your Christian names count as your third or fourth.

Here, in Denmark, we just count names in order. We don't go "first, third, sometimes fourth, second".
The names in the middle usually being referred to as - you guessed it - middle names, but sometimes your second name can function more like a secondary given name.
Of course half the Danes have to confuse people by being referred to by their middle names, rather than their surnames.

Also... what's a "Christian name"?

 

[awavey]

Does Josh Charlton have a team? He's just recovered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and really not done much road cycling.

If nobody was looking they surely are now, there's potential and then some, I knew he was a pretty good track guy but that was unexpected to say the least.

Meanwhile;

who wrote that article Gary Neville ? these are players remember who have more money in the bank than Brailsford does, who do wear sillier clothes than Brailsford does and our pretty clueless most of the time about a great many things. most of them probably dont even know who the heck he is.

so all this positioning of Brailsford as this out of touch to proper footballer stuff, is this whole stupid narrative that footballers, especially the former pro retired ones who end up in the media, like to paint that only football people understand football, cos footballs different right.

as horrible as restructuring any business is for the people involved, the fact theyve been paying a former manager 20million a year, just to attend games and be some nebulous brand ambassador, for years, kind of sums up theyve let the focus drift on whats actually important on how to run their club.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Here, in Denmark, we just count names in order. We don't go "first, third, sometimes fourth, second".
The names in the middle usually being referred to as - you guessed it - middle names, but sometimes your second name can function more like a secondary given name.
Of course half the Danes have to confuse people by being referred to by their middle names, rather than their surnames.

Also... what's a "Christian name"?

So I had a quick google, turns out the entire process of which name is considered 'first, second, third' etc etc is different in nearly every European culture.
Anyways Roger is one of the middle names of Pierre Latour and in his first seasons it was wrongly considered a first name. And because the UCI is kinda backwards and archaic it takes a long time for them to "officialy" rename you in their database. Hence why Wim Vanhuffel was known as "Van Huffel" for his entire career and not Vanhuffel (like his son now).

 

[Squire]

Also... what's a "Christian name"?

The thing GBF is talking about is mainly a catholic thing I think. The middle name is taken from some saint, as far as I know. Us protestants are a bit more simplistic when it comes to names.

 

[RedheadDane]

And because the UCI is kinda backwards and archaic it takes a long time for them to "officialy" rename you in their database.

They seem to have hurried up a little now, Vingegaard's name change got registered quite quickly. Sure, it probably happened at the wedding, but it was just easier to wait with registering it at the UCI until the new year.
However, I do recall them taking a bit longer with Valgren's name change, and of course now he's simply listed as 'Valgren'.
Then there was the weird thing that happened with Emma Norsgaard's name, where they first changed her last name to 'Bjerg' for the 2022 season, but then changed it back to 'Jørgensen' for last year, before (pressumably) fixing it as 'Bjerg' for this year, and also adding 'Norsgaard' to Bjerg's name.

The middle name is taken from some saint, as far as I know.

But aren't there so many saints that every name is also the name of a saint? And probably also some aunt.
Though, in Latour's case, more likely uncle.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The man's name is literally almost Bald Fraud

"Brailsfraud, you're the one..."

 

[RedheadDane]

"Brailsfraud, you're the one..."

Ooooh... I thought it was a reference to Charlton.
'Charlton'... 'charlatan'... pretty close...

(Yes, I checked. 'charlatan' is a word in English.)

 

[Anderis]

The thing GBF is talking about is mainly a catholic thing I think. The middle name is taken from some saint, as far as I know. Us protestants are a bit more simplistic when it comes to names.

From what I understand, as a Catholic to be baptised, you have to be named after a Christian saint, so if your first name is not a name of a Christian saint, your parents have to pick you a 2nd given name that comes from a Christian saint. But in Poland we call it just a 2nd name, since we have different words for a first name and for a last name, so there's no confusion. And a lot of people get a 2nd name even if their 1st name comes from a Christian saint already.

I'm one of the minority of people without a 2nd name here and it's saving me from some headaches with the documents.

 

[Samamba]

Currie extending with Lotto is weird, given he had a verbal agreement with EF. EF must've pulled out for some reason (maybe to make place for Albanese, I'm not sure). I think it's good for Lotto tho, he's a good domestique. Bad for him, again on a 1y contract, he deserves some security imo.

 

[LongtimeLurker]

Mathieu Kockelmann, who just got officially announced to ride at Lotto devo next year, is rumored to have also signed a pro contract there for 2025-2026.

I know he was a very good junior, but just like other talents he seems to have been ruined within Bora's pyramid. As of right now I wouldn't say he deserves that pro contract as it's also possible that he was just physically more mature than others in the u19 category (he is a big guy).

Driesen was also announced by Lotto earlier for their devo team next year. Pretty surprising that he left QS after choosing them over Lotto last year.

Mathieu wasn’t really ruined by “bora pyramid” he is his own worst enemy and did not leave a good impression with the WT riders and selected staff at training camps. This is his own doing.

He was a good junior yes, lots of promise but then left Bora juniors due to age and under the control of Lotto-Kern it became a downward spiral.
When you go to sign in and draw a *** and set of balls as your signature and laugh while being recorded as 1 example
Does not really scream professionalism

 

[Sciatic]

From what I understand, as a Catholic to be baptised, you have to be named after a Christian saint, so if your first name is not a name of a Christian saint, your parents have to pick you a 2nd given name that comes from a Christian saint. But in Poland we call it just a 2nd name, since we have different words for a first name and for a last name, so there's no confusion. And a lot of people get a 2nd name even if their 1st name comes from a Christian saint already.

I'm one of the minority of people without a 2nd name here and it's saving me from some headaches with the documents.

That’s an outdated “rule” about names at baptism, but I’m sure some countries cling to that as part of their religious tradition:
“The 1983 Code of Canon Law changed the rules. Now the only requirement is that pastors make sure the child’s name is not “foreign to a Christian mentality.” In other words, if you don’t name your child something like “Son-of-Satan,” you’re good to go. So we baptized Pebbles as “Pebbles.”

https://teaminitiation.com/2009/11/do-you-need-to-have-a-saints-name-for-baptism-or-confirmation/

 

[Tim Cahill]

Pidcock staying, deal collapsed.

 

[Samamba]

Pidcock staying, deal collapsed.

Yeah and in a few days Benson makes another article stating it's back on. Journalism is easy. Pretty obvious that Ineos just wants a better deal (like seriously why would they even think about paying a part of his salary still). You can't go on with a guy you just deselected from a monument, bridges have been burnt.

Van Gils is btw the contingency plan.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Whether agent/teams wrangling over price or not, I think Pidcock staying with all the ill-feeling still lingering is the funniest possible outcome, we might be about to see the pettiest race schedule yet, who could possibly forget this banger;

 

[claude cat]

Pidcock staying, deal collapsed.

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[awavey]

"INEOS Grenadiers was even prepared to pay part of his salary...."

the guy gets paid to write English like that ? and it makes no sense if the contract was broken by Pidcock leaving, why would Ineos pay any more money to him as a result.

 

[Samamba]

"INEOS Grenadiers was even prepared to pay part of his salary...."

the guy gets paid to write English like that ? and it makes no sense if the contract was broken by Pidcock leaving, why would Ineos pay any more money to him as a result.

Cause Ineos doesn't want to pay 4M a year for someone who doesn't perform anymore? Pretty obvious that they want to part ways too. Lotto is also still paying a small part of Ewans salary this year... This happens a lot.

 

[yaco]

"INEOS Grenadiers was even prepared to pay part of his salary...."

the guy gets paid to write English like that ? and it makes no sense if the contract was broken by Pidcock leaving, why would Ineos pay any more money to him as a result.

Ineos is broken. How do they think they can get a replacement for Pidcock, when Ineos has stuggled to attract quality riders in the last two years.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Ineos is broken. How do they think they can get a replacement for Pidcock, when Ineos has stuggled to attract quality riders in the last two years.

Well they would most likely tempt one for the 2.7 million they would have spare in their budget.
If Pidcock is as over rated as many say he is on here, then the it should simple.

 

[Samamba]

Ineos is broken. How do they think they can get a replacement for Pidcock, when Ineos has stuggled to attract quality riders in the last two years.

By overpaying someone else lol? It's pretty easy. Like I said above, Van Gils is the contingency plan (or at least one of the options), but he has also an offer from Red Bull and Lotto still has to agree too. There was a meeting planned this week between Carera and Lotto, not sure what the outcome is tho.