THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION REPORT #1

[Benotti69]

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There's a good article here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11992813/Athletics-doping-scandal-Shocking-story-of-67-purged-drug-samples.html

pointing up a slightly overlooked aspect of Monday's report: that the testing lab in Lausanne destroyed 67 blood samples despite clearly being told not to by WADA. Apparently there's an inquiry underway at the university hospital the lab is attached to.

Overlooked? Only by some...for others it was one of the stand out parts of the report, being one of the unexpected bits...

Saugy gave a reply to a Swiss paper that's worth reading. He cites death threats and pointedly notes he has 3,000 pots of piss in the fridge, across multiple sports, waiting to be re-tested...

Suagy's reply sounds like a threat to the sport.

 

[mrhender]

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/552998d5025f4e24b1fcc06e1b69a75f/latest-russia-offers-cooperation-ahead-iaaf-vote

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko has accused the IAAF of concealing more than 150 doping cases, mostly from countries other than Russia.

He says "the IAAF since 2008 or 2009 hid not just Russian athletes' samples but 155 cases that they then pulled out with about 15 of our athletes."

Mutko did not clarify exactly which cases had been hidden, although he mentioned that they included Russian race walkers Olga Kaniskina and Valery Borchin.

Both of those two were banned this year for violations of the athlete biological passport system, which tracks blood values to look for signs of doping, but their cases took years to resolve.

Monday's report into Russian doping by a World Anti-Doping Agency commission said the Borchin case was "highly suspicious" because of "excessive" delays in its handling by the IAAF.

 

[BullsFan22]

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http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/552998d5025f4e24b1fcc06e1b69a75f/latest-russia-offers-cooperation-ahead-iaaf-vote

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko has accused the IAAF of concealing more than 150 doping cases, mostly from countries other than Russia.

He says "the IAAF since 2008 or 2009 hid not just Russian athletes' samples but 155 cases that they then pulled out with about 15 of our athletes."

Mutko did not clarify exactly which cases had been hidden, although he mentioned that they included Russian race walkers Olga Kaniskina and Valery Borchin.

Both of those two were banned this year for violations of the athlete biological passport system, which tracks blood values to look for signs of doping, but their cases took years to resolve.

Monday's report into Russian doping by a World Anti-Doping Agency commission said the Borchin case was "highly suspicious" because of "excessive" delays in its handling by the IAAF.

This is gonna get interesting, but somehow I just don't think that WADA or the IAAF will really do anything about it. They've busted the Russians and I think they'll draw the line there. Just my thought.

 

[mrhender]

Richard Conway ‏@richard_conway 11 sec.
Russia suspended 22-1 votes

So IAAF has suspended Russia. More info to follow..

 

[Benotti69]

Who voted for Russia?

 

[Benotti69]

might have been already posted but again

Renee Anne Shirley @RAnneShirley
The global links are staggering>super agents/coaches/MDs/chemists too. Any country/sport claiming their elite aths are all clean are joking.

who would've thought...

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

 

[Benotti69]

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Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

He meant "Russia to make payments", right?

 

[The Hitch]

Coe totally dodges question about whether Russia will be back for Rio, "when we get the changes we want, only then will we reconsider".

Yeah so that will be in 5 months?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Now I would love to believe that Canadians are cleaner than the average dopers, but we don't have to go back to Johnson to find a doper wearing the maple leaf. Clara Hughes ring a bell? Ryder Hesjedal, Michael Barry, Chris Sheppard, Geneviève Jeanson.... the list is long and that is only the cyclists. Did you use the tried and true "I looked her in the eyes" test to determine her cleanliness?

I am being hard on you, but as a confirmed cynic I just don't know how we can be this naive on the subject. This isn't directed at Beckie Scott as I have absolutely no idea if she skiied clean, but at the situation in general.

A Canadian "hop, skip and a jump" is actually about a 7 hour drive (with a lunch stop included). In Europe that can get you through multiple countries!

Hey there French Fry - greetings and cheers. I know you know this area. However I can be at Canmore in 4 hours but I know you understand the distances. For a really funny comedian who makes the point check out Danny Bhoy on YouTube.

You are absolutely right about the people you identify as using drugs. I am a huge Clara fan and I believe she only used them the one time she documents in her book. I know others will be sceptical and justifiably so. It is so hard these days to determine the real hard core dopers from those who dabbled or those who are actually clean.

I did not look Beckie in the eyes (she has great eyes) but her general demeanour was such that I was convinced she was not a doper and if there was any real evidence I doubt she would have been elected to the WADA foundation.

All the best en France. A bientot.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

He meant "Russia to make payments", right?

What do you think it will take for Russia to get back in? Just curious. Will it merely be as you suggest a political solutions (pay their way out) or will there be a vigorous examination of their culture of cheating to see if they merit being back in i.e. real institutional and attitudinal change?

 

[Benotti69]

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Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

He meant "Russia to make payments", right?

What do you think it will take for Russia to get back in? Just curious. Will it merely be as you suggest a political solutions (pay their way out) or will there be a vigorous examination of their culture of cheating to see if they merit being back in i.e. real institutional and attitudinal change?

The IAAF clearly make a lot of money from Russia. They are not going to stop being greedy. Coe has his fingers in lots of pies which earn a lot of money from Russia, Gazprom being one.

I expect the IAAF to impose a fine, a few months ban and some people get sacked etc, the usual BS that is used to say please keep your doping off the radar.

Coe was VP for 7 years. he is up to his neck in this. He backed Diack all the way until last week.

 

[BullsFan22]

IAAF are hypocrites. They didn't really bat an eye when the US sprinters were falling one by one, when the Salazar allegations came out, when Kenya and Jamaica were failing tests left and right. This is a political move, no doubt about it. You are going to suspend an entire nation? I am willing to bet the there are plenty of clean athletes in Russia, as there are everywhere around the world. Something just seems very fishy. Someone is trying to save face and make an easy scapegoat out of Russia, especially given the current world of politics.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

....well lets go into the dark dank swamp outback and drag up something a bit more current shall we....does the name Eric Ryder Hesjedal ring any bells ? how about Roland Green ? or the rest of that west coast crew? or maybe Michael Barry? or maybe Geneviève Jeanson?....

Did you read my post? "That does not mean Canadian athletes don't dope, they do,..." Of course I am aware of Hejsdal, Barry and Jeanson, just like I am sure you are aware of Froome, Wiggans and Millar. Is there a point you are trying hard to make but unable?

...but nahhh we are Boy Scouts etc etc etc and we "generally tend to believe"....and children generally tend to believe in Santa Claus....

Did I say I believe in Santa Claus? The Boy Scouts and Girl Guides are real actual organizations with real actual people! However I suggest you find some kind of spiritual icon to temper your abject demeanour! Santa Claus would be a good start.

... and btw spewing out that quote up thread from that drunken buffoon and apologist extraordinaire Hitchens and given what you've written here was darn near perfect... Boy Scouts ?, Girl Guides ?,

Some drunks make very convincing, reasonable and rational speeches - IF Hitchens was a drunken buffoon he was a very convincing one.

and you actually personally saw Scott train and compete and you have this magic intuitive sense....lord thunderin jaysus maybe you should think of marketing that special super-duper sense because that sense right there is like real special eh !....

Yessiree Bob - I actually saw her train, eat, race and talk. "Lord, Tunder and Jesus" is a Newfie term (Newfoundland is on the East Coast of Canada. What you do it take out an Atlas and follow the prompts) and they are lovable people. I don't think I can confuse you for a Newfie!

I sure will think of marketing my super duper intuition because it is better than anything you have to offer other than questionable mockery!

My intuition tells me the way you go about commenting is base, shallow, abject and lazy!

...and WADA has no "legal" jurisdiction over the NHL ?....one of the points that Cunningham makes is....

"It is associated with the International Olympic Committee, but it is a private organization with no legal foundation to “clean up athletics” as its mission statement contends."

Once again your confused diatribe - well confuses. There is nothing in the NHL charter about "cleaning up athletics" There is to some extent in the Olympic Charter but not in the same language as your torturous language

[ quote] ....so is it more correct to say it has no legal foundation full stop ?

Yes, because that is the truth and my mother always told me to tell the truth!

..but yet it goes after a country that is engaged in a protracted public relations war with WADA's sponsors....but but but it can't clean up something in its own back yard ?...

Please clue me in as to what planet you are talking about?

...not to say I know what is going on here save that WADA has had a lot of very unsavoury people hanging around over the years and this particular chapter in their history just doesn't smell right...

So over the years WADA has probably had about 150 different people on its foundation which means Blatter and McQuaid represent about 1%. Who are the other "unsavory people" or are you just innately a fractious and exaggerous embellisher?

Cheers and I hope you have a better day than your post would indicate!

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

He meant "Russia to make payments", right?

What do you think it will take for Russia to get back in? Just curious. Will it merely be as you suggest a political solutions (pay their way out) or will there be a vigorous examination of their culture of cheating to see if they merit being back in i.e. real institutional and attitudinal change?

The IAAF clearly make a lot of money from Russia. They are not going to stop being greedy. Coe has his fingers in lots of pies which earn a lot of money from Russia, Gazprom being one.

I expect the IAAF to impose a fine, a few months ban and some people get sacked etc, the usual BS that is used to say please keep your doping off the radar.

Coe was VP for 7 years. he is up to his neck in this. He backed Diack all the way until last week.

Yeah good points all. I was surprised to find that Coe was a VP for that long, and it sounds like he has been conditioned to be a bleating, evasive, and conditioned political bureaucrat. His answers in interviews remind of McQuaid - reckless and wilful blindness to the real extent of doping and the institutional nature of the problem. Coe knows a lot more than he is letting on!

 

[blutto]

I sure will think of marketing my super duper intuition because it is better than anything you have to offer other than questionable mockery!

My intuition tells me the way you go about commenting is base, shallow, abject and lazy![/i]

Please clue me in as to what planet you are talking about?

....dead nuts on there on the bolded bit up there, and btw that there is apparently my trademark and a big bunch of my considerable charm or so my fans tell me....

....and just so everyone is on the same page on this here thought I should include the following...

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"ab·ject

/ˈabˌjekt,abˈjekt/

adjective

adjective: abject

1. (of a situation or condition) extremely bad, unpleasant, and degrading.
"abject poverty"

synonyms: wretched, miserable, hopeless, pathetic, pitiful, pitiable, piteous, sorry, woeful, lamentable, degrading, appalling, atrocious, awful
"abject poverty" •(of an unhappy state of mind) experienced to the maximum degree.
"his letter plunged her into abject misery"

2. (of a person or their behavior) completely without pride or dignity; self-abasing.
"an abject apology"

synonyms: contemptible, base, low, vile, worthless, debased, degraded, despicable, ignominious, mean, unworthy, ignoble More

"an abject sinner"

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....which sums er up pretty good eh....though there is the distinct possibility that if you actually looked into my eyes and/or watched me train you would see an entirely different person...things is complisticated ain't they?..

....that intuition thingee youse got is just eerie good and truly way more much better than anything I gots...

...and btw had an absolutely grande day, thanks....and hope you have a good day too...ta ta...

...oh and which planet ?....really depends on the medication du jour ....

Cheers

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm wondering how Coe is going to contain this. I'm also wondering if Coe is playing a "longer game" to contain future controversies that will arise from Diack's arrest.

Obviously, he cannot do nothing. But, he can do as little as possible in a complicated way to contain it.

Waiting for more fireworks. The Russian statements are correct. They are not unique.

 

[wansteadimp]

Re:

I'm wondering how Coe is going to contain this. I'm also wondering if Coe is playing a "longer game" to contain future controversies that will arise from Diack's arrest.

Obviously, he cannot do nothing. But, he can do as little as possible in a complicated way to contain it.

Waiting for more fireworks. The Russian statements are correct. They are not unique.

Yep, Russia definitely isn't unique.

I'm surprised the IAAF have set this precedent, if Interpol do their job properly with Diack and it becomes obvious that most major athletics nations have some sort of organised doping scheme what are they going to do? Ban everyone?

The IOC won't like that if the TV Companies start demanding refunds and discounts for Rio coverage.

 

[Zebadeedee]

I think the Telegraph has it right, the greater problem lies within the IAAF:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11992772/Athletics-doping-scandal-The-worst-is-yet-to-come.html

Coe's claim of not knowing Diack was a crook is risible as Diack featured on the ISL bribe list.
Baron Coe cleans? I think not.

 

[frenchfry]

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Its all down to those nasty Ruskies says Lord Seb

"The message could not be stronger. This has been a shameful wake-up call."

He added: "It is entirely up to Russia to make changes."

He meant "Russia to make payments", right?

What do you think it will take for Russia to get back in? Just curious. Will it merely be as you suggest a political solutions (pay their way out) or will there be a vigorous examination of their culture of cheating to see if they merit being back in i.e. real institutional and attitudinal change?

The IAAF clearly make a lot of money from Russia. They are not going to stop being greedy. Coe has his fingers in lots of pies which earn a lot of money from Russia, Gazprom being one.

I expect the IAAF to impose a fine, a few months ban and some people get sacked etc, the usual BS that is used to say please keep your doping off the radar.

Coe was VP for 7 years. he is up to his neck in this. He backed Diack all the way until last week.

Yeah good points all. I was surprised to find that Coe was a VP for that long, and it sounds like he has been conditioned to be a bleating, evasive, and conditioned political bureaucrat. His answers in interviews remind of McQuaid - reckless and wilful blindness to the real extent of doping and the institutional nature of the problem. Coe knows a lot more than he is letting on!

After watching an interview with Coe I had the urge to take a shower to wash off the slime he projects.

 

[Zebadeedee]

This wasn't so much a case for the IAAF to suspend Russia but rather for the IOC itself because all other olympic sports within Russia are similarly tainted by direct association with its national anti-doping body. This was affer all orgnaised criminality within RUSADA which is the umbrella body for all Russian anti-doping. The straight inference is that in Russia they are doping all and sundry.

 

[mrhender]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/11/15/russian-athletics-chief-says-iaaf-trying-divert-own-failings

Russian athletics chief says IAAF trying to divert from own failings

The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) voted overwhelmingly on Friday to suspend the Russian Athletics Federation from the sport following allegations of widespread and state-sponsored doping.

The allegations, by a special commission of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), could cost Russia its place at next year's Olympic Games in Rio.

"We understand that the publication of the second part of the WADA report will deal a serious blow to the IAAF. This partially explains such a tough decision with regard to Russia's Athletics Federation," Vadim Zelichenok, the acting head of the Federation, was quoted by R-Sport as saying.

"It was intended to divert the blow from themselves," he said.

Russian Sport Minister Vitaly Mutko said on Saturday Russia had told WADA that the IAAF was hiding doping cases.

Former IAAF president, Lamine Diack, is being investigated by French police over allegations he received bribes to cover up positive doping tests of Russian athletes.

The commission has so far withheld other aspects of the IAAF's actions regarding Russia as they form part of an investigation by Interpol into international corruption involving officials and athletes.

On Sunday, R-Sport quoted Mutko as saying there was an attempt to shift all blame to Russia.

"Russia is not the main problem in the world athletics. Yes, there are problems, we do not deny it, but the Russian problems did not begin in Russia. People have been playing by the rules established in the world athletics," Mutko said.

 

[mrhender]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=trackandfield&id=14134726

IAAF council member implicated in corruption allegations

The IAAF is looking into allegations of corruption against a member of its governing council.

An IAAF spokesman told The Associated Press in an emailed statement Sunday that it had alerted its ethics commission to allegations made by British newspaper The Sunday Times against David Okeyo, who is also a vice president of Kenya's athletics federation.

In a report that threatens to unleash another damaging scandal for the IAAF, The Sunday Times says Okeyo, Athletics Kenya President Isaiah Kiplagat and a third Kenyan official took nearly $700,000 in money paid to Kenya's track federation by sponsor Nike.

The Sunday Times says the three have been questioned by Kenyan police.

Perhaps Okeyo was the one vote against Russian banning

 

[roundabout]

More like 'Russian athletics chief tries to divert from own failings, says IAAF trying to divert from own failings'

Or alternatively, nothing really quote-worthy

 

[Benotti69]

It is not a problem for Russian to go to Rio, I mean the state sponsored doping regime didn't win them as many golds as the nice Americans, clean British or those former communists, but now our friends Chinese.

IAAF made lots of money out of Russian. Dont kill the golden goose.