The latest Astana affair

[Dr. Maserati]

I did not make that statement, you did!! I made a general statement that people who go to the extremes that some on this forum do to "prove" anyone who wins is a cheater, are haters of excellence in general. These same people are the ones who violently attack LA and denigrate and put down anyone who disagrees with them. This is character assassination!! I did not attack any single person, however you appear to believe it applies to you. Guilty conscience?

I will give you credit for not having a nasty signature line.

You will have the last word for a while because I have better things to do with my time than answer you.

Well before you post again kindly point to wherever I said that I hate LA.

 

[Oldnell]

Wait, so you believe that a clean Lance beat doped-up Ullrich, Heras, Zulle, Basso, Vino, Hamilton, Landis, Pantani, Beloki, Botero, Rumsas, Kloden, Rasmussen, etc etc etc 7 years in a row? I just want to see you put it in writing.

I am very happy to do that. It is certainly possible. Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus. I cannot prove a negative and you and the rest of the LA haters have never been able to prove the positive to anyone but yourselves.

 

[red_flanders]

I am very happy to do that. It is certainly possible. Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus. I cannot prove a negative and you and the rest of the LA haters have never been able to prove the positive to anyone but yourselves.

I'd be happy just to see you prove the first sentence. Shall we start a thread on it and get all the available information out there?

 

[Ferminal]

I did not make that statement, you did!! I made a general statement that people who go to the extremes that some on this forum do to "prove" anyone who wins is a cheater, are haters of excellence in general. These same people are the ones who violently attack LA and denigrate and put down anyone who disagrees with them. This is character assassination!! I did not attack any single person, however you appear to believe it applies to you. Guilty conscience?

I will give you credit for not having a nasty signature line.

You will have the last word for a while because I have better things to do with my time than answer you.

After reading the sample of your posts on a previous page I think your attack on a collective bunch of people is far more damaging than any personal snipe.

 

[Race Radio]

Everything you ask boils down to one thing. You challenge anyone who does not believe your theories to prove a negative. Yes you are trashing cycling but fortunately very few people beyond this forum and others like it, agree with you.

It appears you are unable, or unwilling, to point out even one point that you disagree with. You just spew hatred and no details. Most would say that you are a hater.

 

[ggusta]

I am very happy to do that. It is certainly possible. Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus. I cannot prove a negative and you and the rest of the LA haters have never been able to prove the positive to anyone but yourselves.

'dude, i thought you left a little while ago?

 

[Race Radio]

I am very happy to do that. It is certainly possible. Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus. I cannot prove a negative and you and the rest of the LA haters have never been able to prove the positive to anyone but yourselves.

Really, do you consider 13% in a full time professional small? Can you tell us what kind of training can overcome that?

 

[Ferminal]

Really, do you consider 13% in a full time professional small? Can you tell us what kind of training can overcome that?

I'd be interested to learn of the training methods indeed.

Also the meditation techniques used to maintain "focus".

 

[Hugh Januss]

Really, do you consider 13% in a full time professional small? Can you tell us what kind of training can overcome that?

I am afraid you are trying to debate either a super troll or a mental midget. Whichever it is his ability to work around reality is astounding.

For the sake of consistancy lets agree to call the doping advantage 5-20% over the same individual's undoped potential depending on the athlete and the program used. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Epicycle]

As Kohl said...if he would have had one more blood bag he could have won the 2008 Tour. If he could have gone with Sastre on Alpe D'Huez he would have stood on the top step of the podium in Paris.

 

[Race Radio]

I am afraid you are trying to debate either a super troll or a mental midget. Whichever it is his ability to work around reality is astounding.

For the sake of consistancy lets agree to call the doping advantage 5-20% over the same individual's undoped potential depending on the athlete and the program used. I think we can all agree on that.

He certainly can't be a mental midget. Didn't he say he was an astronaut?

 

[Ripper]

I am very happy to do that. It is certainly possible. Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus. I cannot prove a negative and you and the rest of the LA haters have never been able to prove the positive to anyone but yourselves.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You are a funny man solly.

Holy sh*t. What a f*cking genius. Good work chuckle head. Hater and fanboy rhetoric aside, that statement "Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus", just lost you 100% credibility. Take a look at the margins after 3 weeks of racing.

Holy f*ck, what a total idiot.

 

[luckyboy]

I'd be interested to learn of the training methods indeed.

Also the meditation techniques used to maintain "focus".

I think it was more to do with his seat positioning, and the suitcase of courage

 

[craig1985]

I find it a little disturbing that there are official bins for medical waste at the Tour.

What about bandages etc. used for crashes, would that count?

Biohazard bins I think. It's illegal to put stuff that has touched blood/mucous/semen/other ape secretions, in to regular bins.

Actually mucous might be ok, either that or so impractical the law is ignored i.e. blowing your nose and throwing the hankey into a normal bin. But you definitely can't have a w@nk into a bin you will get in to serious trouble believe me. Not sure if it's ok into a biohazard bin.

Personal experience?

 

[BroDeal]

What about bandages etc. used for crashes, would that count?

I guess I can see that, but it was surprising to me that teams are disposing of needles in official waste bins, that there is so much of this going on that the organizers feel the need to provide this service.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

But these wouldn't be blood samples/screens. It makes it a little more complicated. If they can use FT-IR, could take 10 minutes. If they have to use GC-MS or any of it's variants, could take a couple days, provided they have the equipment. Surely no more than a week.

I figure some time due to the number of syringes but two and a half months for a high profile case seems a little lengthy to me.

Again, with the DNA it could get complicated depending on the number of items to be tested, along with obtaining DNA from the riders (although that should not be a problem as most have likely been required to give blood at one point or another while racing).

I am completely unfamiliar with European medical privacy rules but, in the US, the outcome of the testing might never be know due to our current laws unless there was a prosecution.

I find the news of the investigation interesting, the time it is taking seems strange and I am hoping that since they thought it was news to talk about the initiation of the investigation that they will also publish the results (good or bad for any and all of the riders involved).

 

[CentralCaliBike]

I find it a little disturbing that there are official bins for medical waste at the Tour.

I believe you will find them at any sporting event where blood might flow (watch what happens in a basketball game if someone gets a nose bleed). Riders tend to fall and the products for cleaning them up have to be disposed of in a medically safe manner.

 

[Digger]

I tried to find your post because I wondered if you were referring to "Cockpit Resource Management", which is the only thing in aviation I can think of that could be abbreviated that way. I was intrigued as to how that got into this forum, but not enough to go through the 1,150+ posts you have made since June 2009.

I find it pathetic that some people on this forum so hate excellence they believe anyone who achieves it is a cheat. The snide, sarcastic, degrading and often libelous signature lines give some insight into the character of the persons who use them. I make no apologies for my comments which are general and not personal, although if the shoe fits, you are welcome to wear it.

Change the medication. Prozac doesn't agree with everyone.

 

[auscyclefan94]

i wont i paid good money going to paris to snarl at AC and wish him to fall off his bike.. i want that memory thanks very much..

where would cadel finish if astana got thrown out...

It's not the point, i don't like cheats getting accolades and praise that they don't deserve. i believe in justice.

 

[Digger]

I did not make that statement, you did!! I made a general statement that people who go to the extremes that some on this forum do to "prove" anyone who wins is a cheater, are haters of excellence in general. These same people are the ones who violently attack LA and denigrate and put down anyone who disagrees with them. This is character assassination!! I did not attack any single person, however you appear to believe it applies to you. Guilty conscience?

I will give you credit for not having a nasty signature line.

You will have the last word for a while because I have better things to do with my time than answer you.

You repeat yourself about five times in the one post anyway, not to mention, other posts.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I did not make that statement, you did!! I made a general statement that people who go to the extremes that some on this forum do to "prove" anyone who wins is a cheater, are haters of excellence in general. These same people are the ones who violently attack LA and denigrate and put down anyone who disagrees with them. This is character assassination!! I did not attack any single person, however you appear to believe it applies to you. Guilty conscience?

I will give you credit for not having a nasty signature line.

You will have the last word for a while because I have better things to do with my time than answer you.

i agree that we shouldn't shoot people down who win but LA is a different story. Their is a lot of evidence against the guy

 

[Cerberus]

not only that, but he also lost to a doped up alberto contador and a most likely doped andy schleck. So make it 8 out of 10 with 2 years off to do chlamydia research and we got ourselves a deal.

And you evidence for Andy Schleck being doped is what? I can think of reasons to think LA is doped that doesn't apply to AS, but not the other way around.

 

[cromagnon]

it really is a pretty common phrase for uk people to use i'm afraid

Yep our Thought Overlords in the UK are part of the same umbrella corporations as in the US according to wikipedia and people are more aware of it this decade than ever.

 

[rata de sentina]

While I would broadly agree with your sentiments about the manner and the timing of this disclosure- it has absolutely nothing to do with the AFLD!

So all these French government agencies just happen to be all going on the same crusade at the same time? Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not

Is it annual budget submission time over there or something?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

About Oldnell

He posts something, calling us Haters etc. When we shot back at him he always disappears.

So better do what i did: Write him a private message. It works wonder....

This is a 71-Year-Old Ex-Pilot. I think he has Alzheimer or something like that...