The latest Astana affair

[Anonymous]

It's not the point, i don't like cheats getting accolades and praise that they don't deserve. i believe in justice.

i am of the same opinion... it would actually gall me having spent money to go to paris, and not see the true result...

in fact, if AC was to be thrown out, ive a good mind to sue him for our holiday.. claim to be an astana fan, and say that as a result of his ban all our memories of our holiday have been ruined.. claim the hotel and expenses back as well as our bar tab for the sunday...

 

[fatterboy]

Or perhaps they've looked into all the others and only Astana's syringes are suspicious. Since the UCI have all but admitted they gave Astana preferential treatment during the race I'm sure Boss Hog felt absolutely confident that they could dump whatever they liked without it getting into the wrong hands.[/QUO



It seems to me the threads that contain dope also contain Lance and or Astana, you would think that they would be only team useing dope, by the way that every one goes on about it they do,just because he is a high profile A**hole by what is writern dosn't mean he is the only one to deny it.

not a Lance fan but he has done a lot for the sport.

bring back Jan doped or not he was the best.

 

[Anonymous]

but are you here or there?

oh ive no idea.... if you find out let me know..

 

[BroDeal]

but are you here or there?

"Wherever you go, there you are" -- Buckaroo Banzai

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Oldnell

I will freely admit to despising LA
Anything bad that happens to him and his interests will make me happy.

I spent most of my time watching the TdF hoping he would be dropped humiliatingly, test positive, hell even fall off, as long as he didn't bring anyone else down with him.

My signature hopefully shows that I hate to see the ignorant being misled by the dishonest and greedy, an attitude that I extend to all walks of life.

 

[labratty]

not a Lance fan but he has done a lot for the sport.

This gets said so much, unless you add " in north america" this is statement is false. With it, it is true no question. He did nothing for the sport in Italy compared to Pantani. Doesn't come close to what Big Mig or Contador mean to Spain.
In other English speaking markets he hold no more influence than an equal footing with other guys who have won races, especially with fans who follow more than one race a year, now that really is a defining english speaking market character trait. There is much of the world outside nth. america, especially in the road racing world where they are not major players.

 

[SpeedWay]

...what was that line about insanity and doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again(or minimally a thread count that exceeds 200 posts) and expecting different results.

Back to the fine art of innuendo and the sport of tall boot wading.

 

[RhodriM]

Oldnell

I will freely admit to despising LA
Anything bad that happens to him and his interests will make me happy.

I spent most of my time watching the TdF hoping he would be dropped humiliatingly, test positive, hell even fall off, as long as he didn't bring anyone else down with him.

My signature hopefully shows that I hate to see the ignorant being misled by the dishonest and greedy, an attitude that I extend to all walks of life.

Come on, get off the fence and tell us what you really think.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Again, with the DNA it could get complicated depending on the number of items to be tested, along with obtaining DNA from the riders (although that should not be a problem as most have likely been required to give blood at one point or another while racing).

Didn't go down that path. Finding out what the drugs are isn't so hard, but connecting them to a person is much more difficult.

I am completely unfamiliar with European medical privacy rules but, in the US, the outcome of the testing might never be know due to our current laws unless there was a prosecution.

Cant' speak for all of Europe, but the French are downright draconian. I actually ended up in an argument about privacy when I tried to collect the resumes of the people working on a project I was involved in. In addition, we had the HR functionality of a system segregated because they were unable to transmit that data acrros the border to Germany, where the main system was hosted.

 

[SpeedWay]

Come on, get off the fence and tell us what you really think.

He's honest and gets my vote for poster boy of the month. Bravo Mongol_Waiiijer, you truly represent the character and spirit of all the angry young men on this forum without hiding behind moral turpitude.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

He's honest and gets my vote for poster boy of the month. Bravo Mongol_Waiiijer, you truly represent the character and spirit of all the angry young men on this forum without hiding behind moral turpitude.

My desire to see a restoration of morality and fairplay in the sport is not irrelevant, but when it comes to Lance I just utterly loathe him.

His personality seems utterly repellant, everything he says offends me, the mentality of his fans I find pitiful, and the whole thing is such a fraud it just stinks.

Oh - and wearing black socks? Fcuk I hate that....

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

I put my money where my mouth is too.

The day I heard Lance was coming back was the day I quit my team, cut my elite license in half and took up running. I refuse to be a part of the sport over which he rules.

 

[python]

Oldnell

I will freely admit to despising LA
Anything bad that happens to him and his interests will make me happy.

I spent most of my time watching the TdF hoping he would be dropped humiliatingly, test positive, hell even fall off, as long as he didn't bring anyone else down with him.

My signature hopefully shows that I hate to see the ignorant being misled by the dishonest and greedy, an attitude that I extend to all walks of life.

gee. an honest but very strong statement. share a lot of it but not all. a scumbag armstrong is but he deserves being ignored instead of any attention including negative.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Oldnell

I will freely admit to despising LA
Anything bad that happens to him and his interests will make me happy.

I spent most of my time watching the TdF hoping he would be dropped humiliatingly, test positive, hell even fall off, as long as he didn't bring anyone else down with him.

My signature hopefully shows that I hate to see the ignorant being misled by the dishonest and greedy, an attitude that I extend to all walks of life.

Its sad but true, because i must admit that i feel the same way. I know that does not look good on my side, but what can i do: I hate Epo-Lance too, after all he does/did from A (to the Andreus) to Z (zero sportsmanship), he really earned your bad wishes. One day this arrogant liar will fall as deep as Nixon did.

P.S.: one more sentence to ".... Lance did for cycling blablabla...". As someone said he did it only for North America. For example in Germany it was Ulrich who brought the people to cycling. That was the time Epo-Lance finished mountain stages 28mins behind, in the middle of the pack with climbing sensations like Zabel.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I put my money where my mouth is too.

The day I heard Lance was coming back was the day I quit my team, cut my elite license in half and took up running. I refuse to be a part of the sport over which he rules.

You should not have done that, if you rode for the love of the sport and clean. For example: I would have gone on (if not injured) to play baseball, even tough i never watched a single game since the greed took over the sport completely when some Doping-Basterd signed a 250Mio.-$-Contract with then owner George W.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

He's honest and gets my vote for poster boy of the month. Bravo Mongol_Waiiijer, you truly represent the character and spirit of all the angry young men on this forum without hiding behind moral turpitude.

That is nice, it qualifies 100% for Epo-Lance.

What did Mongol? He said what he feels in a honest way. The same talking does Epo-Lance and much worse things (cheating, lying in court, intimidate, humiliate). So in the end 100 Mongols are better then one Epo-Lance.

The truth hurts, he? Thats when the fanboys start pipo calling names.

 

[Murray]

I put my money where my mouth is too.

The day I heard Lance was coming back was the day I quit my team, cut my elite license in half and took up running. I refuse to be a part of the sport over which he rules.

That is quite pathetic. Ride if you like to ride. No one person "rules" the sport. What Lance Armstrong or anyone else does has no effect your riding (I'm assuming you're not in the Pro Tour).

Get a life...

 

[flicker]

Livestrong

Hey all you Lance haters. Try this:

Win bike races
Overcome cancer
Win classics and world championships
Win tour de france 7X
Start an organization based on health and cure for cancer
Find Pro sponsers
Start a pro team
Sponser a U23 pro team
Ride your bike and work out every day

Start by riding your bike every day. PS Who cares if it costs $9000 and is carbon. Cheers Fred Taylor

 

[CentralCaliBike]

I put my money where my mouth is too.

The day I heard Lance was coming back was the day I quit my team, cut my elite license in half and took up running. I refuse to be a part of the sport over which he rules.

I hope this was in jest - otherwise some might think you are a slightly unstable.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

That is quite pathetic. Ride if you like to ride. No one person "rules" the sport. What Lance Armstrong or anyone else does has no effect your riding (I'm assuming you're not in the Pro Tour).

Get a life...

I stopped enjoying riding when the sport again became dominated by the cult of personality surrounding a man I have no respect for. The inspiration just dried up.

Having to tell people I met socially I was a cyclist and having them tell me how much they admired Lance and (in their completely uninformed opinion) how they were sure he would never have doped got so annoying I just wanted out.

Plus the young guys on my team who started wearing yellow bracelets and saying they know he doped, but they admired him getting away with it and they would do anything to become a pro including doping, as if it was dangerous for your health a cancer surviving healthcare crusader wouldn't have done it.

I can understand people can't relate to my stubborn principles but let's hold the personal insults a little. Sprocket PM'd me telling me I obviously have mental health problems and the sport is better off without someone as "nasty" as me, for example....

 

[Ferminal]

Hey all you Lance haters. Try this:

Win bike races
Overcome cancer
Win classics and world championships
Win tour de france 7X
Start an organization based on health and cure for cancer
Find Pro sponsers
Start a pro team
Sponser a U23 pro team
Ride your bike and work out every day

Start by riding your bike every day. PS Who cares if it costs $9000 and is carbon. Cheers Fred Taylor

Sorry, I'd rather not risk my health

Lance Armstrong ideologies are having far more damaging consequences on people's health, than his organisation is doing to improve people's health.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Win bike races - through cheating
Overcome cancer - because of good doctors
Win classics and world championships - through cheating
Win tour de france 7X - through cheating
Start an organization based on health and cure for cancer - and also promote himself and create a great smokescreen ("pro-cancer") for doping allegations.
Find Pro sponsers - they're queing round the block for him
Start a pro team - riders love the money, status and protection he offers
Sponser a U23 pro team - as fas as I know it isn't a pro team, and the money isn't coming out of his own pocket either.
Ride your bike and work out every day - millions have been doing that for years

 

[VeloCity]

Doping only gains a small advantage and that can be overcome by better training and focus.

That made me laugh out loud.

 

[VeloCity]

Hey all you Lance haters. Try this:

Win bike races
Overcome cancer
Hire Ferrari
Dope to the gills
Win classics and world championships
Win tour de france 7X
Start an organization based on health and cure for cancer
Find Pro sponsers
Start a pro team
Sponser a U23 pro team
Ride your bike and work out every day

Start by riding your bike every day. PS Who cares if it costs $9000 and is carbon. Cheers Fred Taylor

Fixed that for you.

 

[fatandfast]

Sorry, I'd rather not risk my health

Lance Armstrong ideologies are having far more damaging consequences on people's health, than his organisation is doing to improve people's health.

Anybody who has ever raced a bike at a high level knows that it has NOTHING to do with health. There are lots of MS150 things that you can "win" after you cut up your elite license. Lance raising trucks full of cash for any cause is better than nothing. The good surely out weighs the bad. The guy is a tool sure, but are you saying everybody else let him get 3rd this year,they were not trying? Radio Shack will sell more clothing and give more cash to cycling/safety/health causes than all other teams put together and since we all agree that Lance is an ***, I would say they are doing a great job in spite of him. Do people watch Beckham because he is the greatest football player? The guy can't even strike a match let alone a football in the last 8 years and he fills seats that would have been empty. Who looses when you put these old men out there to compete? Every time you see a Dbag riding in a Radio Shack kit keep telling yourself that it's because they have the best prices on batteries.