Sure he must help some. It's not black or white. My point is that MVDP must have more energy left in the end to give himself a fighting chance against Pog, and I think that requires him to gamble a bit. That's just my view after seeing Pog winning convincingly two times against MVDP
Only way is to have a teammate with him. But when both Mathieu and Tadej are isolated like today, there's nothing else Mathieu can do.
He has been able to follow in the past and in multiple other races.Again, trying to "outstrong" Pog won't work. RVV is naturally hard, no point in making it extra hard when Pog is in the race. Use other riders more, like van Aert, Pedersen, etc. and maybe attack like Wout did to get ahead before Kwaremont, or trust you have saved enough energy to follow Pog last time up Kwaremont. Again, we just disagree.
How would he use other riders?
Van Aert and Pedersen would use their teams/strength in numbers. If Pog and MVDP just looks at each other, it is a increasingly bigger chance for them to get away or anyone else. It would be a dream scenario for other teams if Mvdp and Pog dont banded together. They would be the biggest losers in such a scenario.
Dropping the others and working together is the best chance for either of them to win. Then it is just mano a mano.
Mano a mano against Pog is his best chance... Alright, let's say I don't agree.
That's playing right into Pog's hands. He should ride more tactically if he wants to win, and yes that includes gamble a bit.
We just see it differently.
You dont have to agree, but that is the best chance to win. Eliminate as many riders as possible.
So you think. That's the best to come 2nd. I was talking about him actually winning.
No, it is the best way to win for both of them.
Instead of racing against other strong teams and getting tactically outplayed.
Come on. Pog 2025 is a different animal and that was Pog's first Ronde. What we have seen from Pog last couple of years is just another level. Winning worlds with a 100k solo attack, Strade with a 80k attack. That's just otherwordly. Trying mano a mano against Pog in Ronde is a losing strategy I believe.
No point in continuing this, we just disagree and that's fine.
I do agree, Trying mano a mano against Pog in Ronde is a losing strategy.Come on. Pog 2025 is a different animal and that was Pog's first Ronde. What we have seen from Pog last couple of years is just another level. Winning worlds with a 100k solo attack, Strade with a 80k attack. That's just otherwordly. Trying mano a mano against Pog in Ronde is a losing strategy I believe.
No point in continuing this, we just disagree and that's fine.
MVDP also has multiple long solos under his belt.
How he has won most of his big wins are from attacking. Hard race and solo.
Both Pog and him have had the same recipe for a lot of their wins.
So of course, they both realize that if they work with and not against each other... they will both have the same opportunity to win. Otherwise... someone else will have a bigger chance to win. Their chance of wining decreases if they refuse to work with each other.
Hence they been trading wins in most of the monuments in the last few years. They simply been the strongest and best riders.
Pog might be able to drop MVDP, but at the same MVDP will always have advantage if it comes down to a sprint.
How he has won most of his big wins are from attacking. Hard race and solo.
Both Pog and him have had the same recipe for a lot of their wins.
So of course, they both realize that if they work with and not against each other... they will both have the same opportunity to win. Otherwise... someone else will have a bigger chance to win. Their chance of wining decreases if they refuse to work with each other.
Hence they been trading wins in most of the monuments in the last few years. They simply been the strongest and best riders.
Pog might be able to drop MVDP, but at the same MVDP will always have advantage if it comes down to a sprint.
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Stuyven was the rider who had it easiest until Kwaremont. That matters, and is why it would have mattered too if Van der Poel had worked less.
Doesnt explain how Van Aert was able to ride past MVDP.
He had worked a lot and also attacked right before.
Styuven had also definitely done a lot of work.
If Mathieu had worked less, Visma and Trek had joined earlier.
And they would have attacked much earlier than Van Aert did to use their numbers.
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Perfectly fine. Just react to Pogacar on the hills, that's all you need to do.
Mathieu:
Just before the second pass on the Oude Kwaremont, I was hit by a car, which meant I had to come from far away.
That explains it. I thought it strange he was so far back when I 15s before, in another screenshot, saw him just beside Pog.
Just before the second pass on the Oude Kwaremont, I was hit by a car, which meant I had to come from far away.
That explains it. I thought it strange he was so far back when I 15s before, in another screenshot, saw him just beside Pog.
This implies or taking for granted that nobody else is doing anything or wouldnt take advantage of the situation.
It sets up the perfect scenario for someone else to counter.
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I am straight memeing *** into existence now. I call Pogacar a luck merchant and voila - his main rival gets hit by illness, a crash, and a car, all in one race.
I should perhaps try to manifest some positive *** for once.
I should perhaps try to manifest some positive *** for once.
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Unclear when, but I don't think it was immediately before the climb. He starts Kwaremont in front of Pogi and can be seen for a while before that.
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