The official CBS 60 minutes thread

[sadfitty]

Lance doped like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I would never trust anyone who works for the federal government and shaves their head.

For 60 Minutes, I'll be back in a minute after I go puke and that goes for all the American news shows. They are right there with the fed's and the Wall Street guys too. Such honesty.

I can't believe my tax money is supporting this. In the end it proves nothing to me. Lance is still one of the greatest cyclist that ever lived.

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

You know why is because Lance didn't have to dope, but most everyone else did to be at his level. It's that simple.

No one could compete with Lance in mental and physical strength. No one would train and prepare like him either.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

This whole thing is reminding me of Der Untergang. Seems like Public Strategies is running out of talent and their artillery is now manned by 14 yo kids.

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

Nice 1st post...pretty sure Big George never tested positive either, but, it would appear he corroborated what Tyler and Floyd have alleged to the GRAND JURY.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

ummm Marion Jones.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Lance doped like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I would never trust anyone who works for the federal government and shaves their head.

For 60 Minutes, I'll be back in a minute after I go puke and that goes for all the American news shows. They are right there with the fed's and the Wall Street guys too. Such honesty.

I can't believe my tax money is supporting this. In the end it proves nothing to me. Lance is still one of the greatest cyclist that ever lived.

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

You know why is because Lance didn't have to dope, but most everyone else did to be at his level. It's that simple.

No one could compete with Lance in mental and physical strength. No one would train and prepare like him either.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

Chum in the water.

 

[durgadas]

The House Always Wins

So... doesn't anyone else want to mention the most disturbing part of the entire proceeding? Just watch CBS' or 60 minutes coverage online: SPONSORED BY VIAGRA.
How about this stunning statement:
"A representative for Anheuser-Busch told THR that Armstrong will continue to be a spokesperson for Michelob Ultra."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-lancearmstrong-idUSTRE74M6TX20110523

Seriously? Just before we hear Tyler give up the attitude that was taught to him by Lance. The same attitude is working for Lance though isn't it? Both Landis and Tyler saw it work: Deny, deny, deny; play up reputation.

I hold Lance responsible for introducing this whole deal into American cyclists of that era, along with Johan Bruyneel. He's the Don, the big boss. He was even said to be so during his dominant years, but I think time will show us just how dominant he REALLY was. But, it's been obvious to me for a while, since that little talking to by Alexi opened my eyes, even before Lance got cancer.

Even so, it can be said that they were just leveling a rotten playing field- but who is better at beating cheaters at their own game? Americans. I mean it's working for Lance, after all. He's raking in the cash (and clearly still is)...and what Lance knew was that you'd always fall for it. It's been a PR Master Class from 1999 on. He beat everyone on and off the road.

And now Lance is a spokesperson for... it was inevitable... a BEER company. That ultimate hypocritical entity.That's the top, the peak, and shows Lance for who he's been all along.

In comparison to his 7 Tour victories, surely being sponsored by a beer company is the best. I can see the Busch family: "What we need is a guy who is healthy to promote our incredibly unhealthy alcoholic beverage so we can continue promoting a lifestyle that is bad for you, makes you obese, and kills lots of people every year from drunk driving, but we'll have these healthy looking people promoting it so we can pretend that doesn't happen." Just like all the pretty girls who promote their beers. Those girls wouldn't look that pretty if they were in their 40's and made a habit of drinking that beer!

And we've just completed the AMGEN Tour of California? Are you freaking kidding me? They are the ones who MAKE EPO! I can't tell you how sad it seems to me to hear Phil and Paul announcing this fact again and again on the TV coverage. And we have the gall to talk about how clean cyclists are now...my god.

Hello? It's BEYOND outrageous. I think I hear a slight cringe in the voice of Phil every time he says it, as though he's almost aware of the ethical problem here.

And we wonder why we have doping? We actually wonder and have outrage at athletes for their conduct?

If I read every single doping thread here, I'd wonder if anyone would mention this staggering factoid, but most don't notice. It's a feeding frenzy and blood is in the water. The 800-lb gorilla is out of the bag.

A man who was CRUSHING every other doped athlete into the cheap seats FOR YEARS is found to be doping. Seriously? You've missed the point again...*sigh*.

Just look where you're told, believe what you're told to believe. Go on being OK with a pharmaceutically sponsored bike race. Lemmings. Fooled by The Don.

All I'm saying is that we might be looking in the wrong place for where the problem stems from. Seems incredibly obvious to me.

What Tyler said, and Landis said: "It was the culture, we all did it." Of course they did. No way out of The Family. So did pretty much everyone on T-Mobile (so many have admitted it at this point), oh well anyone notice how Gewiss crushed everyone that one year? The first three in Paris-Roubaix for Mapei? The Lion of Flanders admitted he did it.

Sure, they ALL did it. But look under the surface at the unreal: Amgen's GALL at sponsoring... a bike race. Even David Millar wondered about the appropriateness of that when it was announced, but that voice is lost in a sea of outrage at the athletes? I wonder the same thing about Omega Pharma sponsoring a team. It's all weird to me.

The House Always Wins. Cycling is run by a mafia, teams are run by a mafia. Events are run by a mafia. Sponsors are the top of the mafia food chain, and everyone, the UCI included, serve them. Look at the coverage over the last ten years. Listen to Lance, listen to McQuaid, listen to Verbruggen. Listen to the arrogance of their statements. Listen to their condescending tone. Is it any wonder they are working together? Not to me.

They talk the way mafia dons talk in the movies for god's sake! Isn't it obvious? It's a turf war, folks. And like other mafia wars, the only thing that is left behind are dead (in their sleep) cyclists and destroyed reputations. Legitimate businessman _________ turns out to be mafia boss (or underling in the case of Hamilton & Landis); cooperates with federal investigators by turning in his boss (Lance & Bruyneel). Sound familiar? Wake up folks!

Look at how Lance has treated people? I saw this when he supported Tom Danielson beating Landis in the Tour of Georgia as punishment for leaving the fold. It was exactly like trying to get out of the Mafia, or it could be better said, leaving the family to create a competing family. No holds barred. But nobody is as controlling as Lance could be, and no one has the Teflon story to back him up. Seeing all this, it's hard to swallow that Lance's REAL motivation has EVER been cancer research at all. Yes, I think he's THAT heartless and ruthless.

I think he's, pure and simple, putting up a front. Cancer awareness is his shell corporation through which he funnels his money, and it keeps him squeaky clean, revered and deified even. I am sure it provides him with some personal satisfaction as well, but nonetheless, it's MOSTLY about providing him with both an alibi and a Teflon coating. Just keep telling yourself how much you've done for others. Mob bosses are also very generous people. Incredibly so. Just watch the movies. Still, the mob is always brought down through the same process- get the underlings first, and this is what is FINALLY happening.

Lance & Co. have always known where their bread was buttered and what sort of game this is. It's BUSINESS. Business always operates on the profit motive and ethics are an afterthought. He's provided them the perfect platform to promote themselves (and he's promoted cycling, no doubt about it). NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING can be allowed to puncture the ONLY CARD HE HAS TO PLAY: His Story. The rest is and always has been a sham and something to make himself feel better about how he's earning his money.

 

[COMO CYCO]

I think the problem with this, though, is that the average Joe won't care - they will bring up the millions of dollars wasted just to prove a cyclist was doping.

People at work are always surprised at my response when they mention LAs doping "allegations". I think they expect me to defend him and they end up having this glazed over look on their faces when I tell them how I really feel. Suddenly, I become the bad guy.

Same thing happens to me. Because I shave my legs - everyone I work with thinks I will be sympathizing with Wonderboy. Or they just ask, "Why does this even matter? It's old news." I just quote them this little gem - from his SCA deposition in 2005 when asked by attorneys why his contract with Tailwind Sports didn't have a clause in it which would describe his termination should he ever test positive. LA responds that it wouldn't matter because he would have lost...

"....the faith of all the cancer survivors around the world.....And don't think for a second I don't understand that. It's not about money for me. Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me over the years. So all of that would be erased. So I don't need it to say in a contract, "You're fired if you test positive." That's not as important as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people." http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony pg 119

LA can dope his effing balls [correction - 'ball'] off, I don't really give a rip one way or another. But the minute he decided to cloak himself in the lives and hopes of millions of suffering patients who are staring death in the face, and used them to shield himself from his accusers, instead of facing them alone, then he crossed some kind of new line....and he needs to go down like a shredded transfusion bag in a cheap French hotel toilet....whether it's 10 years after the fact or 50...it's still relevant...he made it that way, not Novitzy, not the feds, not Tyler, or Landis, or Hincapie, or LeMond, or Andreu, or us......

 

[VeloCity]

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

You haven't been following cycling for very long, have you?

 

[MarkvW]

That's cool!

You know why?

Because just say he did know Lance never doped the only way he'd know this is by seeing his drug tests - which proves one thing he has access to such information? Now if he doesn't know via the drug tests then Lance must have told him? And we know what cyclists are like telling us that they're clean.

But what the hell is he doing supporting any rider? Did Hamilton and Landis get this kind of support when they tested positive.

My god. What web we've weaved.

Why not consider the possibility that the retired Mr. Verbruggen is just having a little fun . . .trolling?

 

[webvan]

Same thing happens to me. Because I shave my legs - everyone I work with thinks I will be sympathizing with Wonderboy. Or they just ask, "Why does this even matter? It's old news." I just quote them this little gem - from his SCA deposition in 2005 when asked by attorneys why his contract with Tailwind Sports didn't have a clause in it which would describe his termination should he ever test positive. LA responds that it wouldn't matter because he would have lost...

Don't remember that, was it in one of the leaked videos? Did he mean he would have been fired from his team so no TDF victory?

 

[DirtyWorks]

That's cool!

You know why?

Because just say he did know Lance never doped the only way he'd know this is by seeing his drug tests - which proves one thing he has access to such information? Now if he doesn't know via the drug tests then Lance must have told him? And we know what cyclists are like telling us that they're clean.

But what the hell is he doing supporting any rider? Did Hamilton and Landis get this kind of support when they tested positive.

My god. What web we've weaved.

More to this point, 60 minutes mentions a letter created by the UCI and passed through team Armstrong and onto the show. That kind of service is extraordinary. Why do they support Wonderboy like this?

 

[sniper]

More to this point, 60 minutes mentions a letter created by the UCI and passed through team Armstrong and onto the show. That kind of service is extraordinary. Why do they support Wonderboy like this?

A sad fact, though, is that those who can do something about the UCI farce aren't doing anything.

Why isn't anybody at cyclingnews.com writing an opinion piece?
Why do they stick to the strictly neutral coverage?

 

[cineteq]

Cyclist Tyler Hamilton's Lawyer on Why His Client Came Clean
http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2011/05/mandersoninterview.html

"First of all, it's very consistent with team Lance's MO. They have done everything they can to drag Tyler through the mud for the past three days. But he's telling the truth now, and there is nothing they can do to shut him up."

 

[euanli]

You missed the key quote about Armstrong's lawyers proposing a co defence

 

[Polish]

You missed the key quote about Armstrong's lawyers proposing a co defence

Tyler was doping at US Postal long before Lance was even on the team.
So it's easy to see how Lance's lawyers would assume Tyler would be a defendant too.

Why not work as a team?
Musketeer status - just like when they were doping together.
One for all and all for one.

In hindsight, now that we know it's a Witch Hunt and Tyler has immunity, the offer does seems a bit silly.

It's amusing too that Tyler is using Rock Racing's counsel.
Heck, maybe Lance just wanted to hang out with their models?

 

[Magic Spanner]

Manderson seems like a non cycling fan stand up guy and comes to the only conclusion possible.

The joint defence proposal is typical Armstrong. Let's get our boys (the guys with the knowledge) back in the fold. With us or against us. If you're in the price is continueing to lie. If you're out you have the machine thrown at you to try to destroy your credibility.

That strategy ain't workin' no more Lance. You've been outflanked. What next?

 

[tockit]

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

Bjarne Riis raced professionally for 13 years, won the Tour de France, several stages in other races, and won several smaller races while never testing positive; then later admitting to doping most of his career.

Frankie Andreu raced professionally for 11 years, had 4 top ten Tour de France finishes, and raced in two Olympics while never testing positive; later admitting to using EPO.

Johan Museeuw raced professionally for 16 years, won Flanders 3 times, Roubaix 3 times, World Championships, and Amstel Gold while never testing positive; later implicated by Belgium courts for evidence of doping.

Should I continue naming former 'non-positive' dopers ??????

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Should I continue naming former 'non-positive' dopers ??????

Floyd Landis (Heard of him?) "claims" to have doped for years, yet his only positive test was TdF06. But of course he's a known liar so he was probably fibbing about that too.

 

[VeloMaster]

Today's Washington Post, home to Armstrong's co-author Sally Jenkins, turns on Wonderboy in piece by one of her fellow sports columnists, Mike Wise.

Commentary is headlined, "For Lance Armstrong, it’s time to find out what living strong really means," and says it's time for even "the most devoted bracelet people" to face the facts.

Wise also picks up on the most serious allegation in the 60 Minutes broadcast -- the reported positive TdS test that went away.

 

[mewmewmew13]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...g-really-means/2011/05/24/AFkRnVAH_story.html

here it is,
thanx velomaster

 

[knewcleardaze]

All this talk of wanting a book deal and media attention is smoke. Anyone have any idea how many books one has to sell to make any money?
Especially a cycling book? What new can possibly be revealed?

 

[tubularglue]

Originally Posted by tockit
Should I continue naming former 'non-positive' dopers ??????

Floyd Landis (Heard of him?) "claims" to have doped for years, yet his only positive test was TdF06. But of course he's a known liar so he was probably fibbing about that too.

I quess you could add George to the list. I guess he is currently at the top of the page.

 

[sartain]

Why not consider the possibility that the retired Mr. Verbruggen is just having a little fun . . .trolling?

I recall reading somewhere, at least I think I did (I could be wrong though on this one), that Mr. V and LA were involved in some small business venture . . . that had to do with perhaps a piece of real estate or a small hotel? Maybe RR, Berzin or the Hog recall this and can cite the article/source?
This would be further conformation of just how tangled this web is.

That would be as much of a conflict of interest as Mr. Garvey, one of the founders of Austin Ventures, siting on the BOD of both LS and USAC for a number of years. Last time I checked on the USAC site, we was no longer listed, which I thought was also interesting.

 

[tubularglue]

keep spinning the web and the web grows

AUSTIN, TX--(Marketwire - October 5, 2010) - Today LIVESTRONG® announced the appointment of Julian C. Day to its board of directors.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/RadioShack-CEO-Joins-the-iw-3285407820.html?x=0


Since July 2006, Day has served as chief executive officer and chairman of the board of RadioShack Corp., a leading national retailer of innovative mobile technology products and services, as well as products related to personal and home technology and power supply needs, based in Fort Worth, Texas.

 

[COMO CYCO]

Transcript of SCA deposition

Don't remember that, was it in one of the leaked videos? Did he mean he would have been fired from his team so no TDF victory?

It's in the transcript, here....go to page 119.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony

The SCA attorney is wondering why the Tailwind contract for LA changed over the years from one in which there was a clause to specify that if he was caught doping, he would lose his position on the team and all of his endorsements, to a contract devoid of any clause punishing him for a positive test.

Wonderboy is answering that he doesn't need any such clause, because he has cancer patients looking to him for hope....demonstrating true courage under fire...shielding himself with cancer patients....the old "I couldn't have doped - I have these people looking up to me" defense....

 

[webvan]

Thanks, read that whole passage, wow...he really was/is on a planet of his own, believing the myth 100%!

 

[sartain]

keep spinning the web and the web grows

austin, tx--(marketwire - october 5, 2010) - today livestrong® announced the appointment of julian c. Day to its board of directors.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/radioshack-ceo-joins-the-iw-3285407820.html?x=0


since july 2006, day has served as chief executive officer and chairman of the board of radioshack corp., a leading national retailer of innovative mobile technology products and services, as well as products related to personal and home technology and power supply needs, based in fort worth, texas.

amazing . . . Not!