The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Oldman]

He needs race kilometers. He lost the Kilometers he would have raced at ToC, so I assume that the Tour of Luxemberg is intended to plug that gap. He was originally choosing between Dauphine and Tour de Suisse, where the latter has more kilometers and (most important) no AC.

He definitely needs the racing miles. He's probably thinking about selecting venues that allow him to escape potential incarcaration at this point. If there's one reason he wouldn't do the Tour...

 

[9000ft]

I really think this thread will make 1000 pages. Even if Lance Armstrong died today, this thread would make it to 1000 pages.

 

[Beech Mtn]

I am the only one who sees that "Lance powers the world" Radioshack ad and immediately gets an image of him with his trainer hooked up to the refrigerator as a backup power source in case of blackout?

Maybe Floyd can get Will Geogheghan (spelling) to prank call Lance and ask him if his refrigerator is still running.

 

[thehog]

Maybe Floyd can get Will Geogheghan (spelling) to prank call Lance and ask him if his refrigerator is still running.

Very good,...... I liked that one. LOL.

 

[reubenr]

Why should it bother him,he rides clean?!

I know you're just joking but in keeping with this, consider the following:

There was a re-run of Stage 17 of the 2004 (I think) Tour de France following the completion of the ToC on Versus yesterday, which I thought was rather interesting. The leaders are going up the mountain led by Floyd Landis with Lance Armstrong on his wheel, followed by Basso and Ulrich. Sastre had been caught and dropped, but Kloden caught up with the group, eventually, I think. However, it was the picture of these four men going up the mountain together that was rather striking. It just does not seem possible that Mr. Armstrong was the only one of the group that was clean, else wise, we must imagine something far worse in that he used people like they were animals, gave them drugs and used them to lead him up the climbs. This seems a lot like him, though, especially the way he revealed himself last year.

Just as interesting, to me at least, is the top ten through that stage, who are as follows:

Lance Armstrong
IVAN BASSO
Andreas Kloden
JAN ULRICH
Jose Asevedo
FRANCISCO MANCEBO
GEORG TOTSCHNIG
Carlos Sastre
Levi Leipheimer
PIETRO CAUCCHIOLI

Need we go on with the next five?

Oscar Periero
CHRISTOPHE MOREAU
MICHAEL RASMUSSEN
GILBERTO SIMONI
Thomas Voeckler

Eight of the top fifteen are convicted drug users (or retired under suspicion) and a few are facing more current accusations. I also found it interesting, looking back, and reading an article in Cycling news from an interview with Floyd Landis, done in March of 2004, when he talked about where he was living and his closest friends, at the time, Zabriske and Leipheimer.

So, here is my question: How does the Swami (Armstrong), who knows and can see everything in cycling, can not see that the guy in front of him, on his own team, mind you, is using drugs? I realize it is not nice to "tell on your friends" but it is another thing to condone and encourage drug usage, as well as to benefit from it, directly or indirectly. The sht is just starting to hit the fan. Being a fan, I'm really not encouraged by all of this and think I will reevaluate. Maybe Contador, Schlek, Cancellara are clean, but it would be too painful to discover that they weren't or to see them lose to a druggie, like Cancellara did in a previous TdF time trial. The Swami is already out there saying that Landis didn't use drugs, when he was on "his" team, but that is the first of what is going to be a long list of lies by the time this thing is done. Would you present any of these individuals to your children as people to look up to and admire? It is such a shame. There are probably many good people in cycling, but they are being dragged down by the greedy and their unrelenting efforts that are destroying the sport.

 

[SirLes]

A good drinking game would be to watch one of the stages from that era and have a drink everytime a convicted doper or implicated doper is named.

 

[Barrus]

A good drinking game would be to watch one of the stages from that era and have a drink everytime a convicted doper or implicated doper is named.

My god, you would die of alcohol poisoning, especially if you watch such a 5 hour stage

 

[Ripper]

My god, you would die of alcohol poisoning, especially if you watch such a 5 hour stage

Agreed. A more conservative game would be to have a drink every time someone said something hypocritical or completely untrue to the media during that time. An example of the latter? "I am the most tested athlete in the world" ... have a swig of the drink of your choice!

 

[Barrus]

Agreed. A more conservative game would be to have a drink every time someone said something hypocritical or completely untrue to the media during that time. An example of the latter? "I am the most tested athlete in the world" ... have a swig of the drink of your choice!

Or every time they mention a rider who has not been implicated in any sort of doping rumor or hasn't been known to dope

 

[flicker]

I know you're just joking but in keeping with this, consider the following:

There was a re-run of Stage 17 of the 2004 (I think) Tour de France following the completion of the ToC on Versus yesterday, which I thought was rather interesting. The leaders are going up the mountain led by Floyd Landis with Lance Armstrong on his wheel, followed by Basso and Ulrich. Sastre had been caught and dropped, but Kloden caught up with the group, eventually, I think. However, it was the picture of these four men going up the mountain together that was rather striking. It just does not seem possible that Mr. Armstrong was the only one of the group that was clean, else wise, we must imagine something far worse in that he used people like they were animals, gave them drugs and used them to lead him up the climbs. This seems a lot like him, though, especially the way he revealed himself last year.

Just as interesting, to me at least, is the top ten through that stage, who are as follows:

Lance Armstrong
IVAN BASSO
Andreas Kloden
JAN ULRICH
Jose Asevedo
FRANCISCO MANCEBO
GEORG TOTSCHNIG
Carlos Sastre
Levi Leipheimer
PIETRO CAUCCHIOLI

Need we go on with the next five?

Oscar Periero
CHRISTOPHE MOREAU
MICHAEL RASMUSSEN
GILBERTO SIMONI
Thomas Voeckler

Eight of the top fifteen are convicted drug users (or retired under suspicion) and a few are facing more current accusations. I also found it interesting, looking back, and reading an article in Cycling news from an interview with Floyd Landis, done in March of 2004, when he talked about where he was living and his closest friends, at the time, Zabriske and Leipheimer.

So, here is my question: How does the Swami (Armstrong), who knows and can see everything in cycling, can not see that the guy in front of him, on his own team, mind you, is using drugs? I realize it is not nice to "tell on your friends" but it is another thing to condone and encourage drug usage, as well as to benefit from it, directly or indirectly. The sht is just starting to hit the fan. Being a fan, I'm really not encouraged by all of this and think I will reevaluate. Maybe Contador, Schlek, Cancellara are clean, but it would be too painful to discover that they weren't or to see them lose to a druggie, like Cancellara did in a previous TdF time trial. The Swami is already out there saying that Landis didn't use drugs, when he was on "his" team, but that is the first of what is going to be a long list of lies by the time this thing is done. Would you present any of these individuals to your children as people to look up to and admire? It is such a shame. There are probably many good people in cycling, but they are being dragged down by the greedy and their unrelenting efforts that are destroying the sport.

This is what kills me about the Lance a phobes and the German media. They smash Lance and remove the tour from German TV. Doping is across the board in all sports. People hate me in the forum because I say, Cycling a rich tradition of doping. Watch all those old DVDs of the tour and just guess who is not doping in the tough alpe and Pyranees stages. I can see why Floyd is disturbed he was robbed of the Tour and his life has suffered from it.

Floyd I still want my $25 back for your book positively false though. Please Floyd?

 

[reubenr]

Popovych was a work horse with Discovery. Then went to Lotto and was a bust for Evans. Then goes to Astana and rediscovers his abilities. This is another example of the juice in action. I am wondering when the media will make a decision to go after the truth rather than just kissing the ring. If one needs a game, mine would be to limit taking a swig to every time Phil Liggett makes a negative comment about LA. You will then know what being sober is all about.

All of the other sports are just as much a joke regarding the use of drugs. The consequences simply do not presently exist to act as a deterrent. If behavior is based on an assessment of its consequences, then what we need is a transition period in which a real effort is made to change. In short, everyone is tested. If some one tests positive, the team is eliminated from the race and the individual receives a life time ban. A repeat positive by the same team eliminates the license for the team and disqualifies the directors from participation with future teams. We can go on but this is what is needed at a minimum.

 

[BikeCentric]

Popovych was a work horse with Discovery. Then went to Lotto and was a bust for Evans. Then goes to Astana and rediscovers his abilities. This is another example of the juice in action. I am wondering when the media will make a decision to go after the truth rather than just kissing the ring. If one needs a game, mine would be to limit taking a swig to every time Phil Liggett makes a negative comment about LA. You will then know what being sober is all about.

All of the other sports are just as much a joke regarding the use of drugs. The consequences simply do not presently exist to act as a deterrent. If behavior is based on an assessment of its consequences, then what we need is a transition period in which a real effort is made to change. In short, everyone is tested. If some one tests positive, the team is eliminated from the race and the individual receives a life time ban. A repeat positive by the same team eliminates the license for the team and disqualifies the directors from participation with future teams. We can go on but this is what is needed at a minimum.

I agree with you but part of the problem is that the testing simply does not work. Drugs and ways to cheat the tests (for example plasma volume expansion) are simply always ahead of the testors.

 

[BikeCentric]

I agree with you but part of the problem is that the testing simply does not work. Drugs and ways to cheat the tests (for example plasma volume expansion) are simply always ahead of the testors.

Oh yes and to not be completely pessimistic, the way to deal with this is for WADA to make it a rule that all samples will be stored for X years and all samples will be retroactively tested upon the development of new tests.

 

[reubenr]

I agree with you but part of the problem is that the testing simply does not work. Drugs and ways to cheat the tests (for example plasma volume expansion) are simply always ahead of the testors.

Although I agree with you about the problems with testing, I still feel that you have to do something, and when enough people begin to be effected negatively then things will change. The bottom line here is money. When it starts to dry up, so will the druggies. SCARcity will breed virtue.

 

[altark123]

Popovych was a work horse with Discovery. Then went to Lotto and was a bust for Evans. Then goes to Astana and rediscovers his abilities. This is another example of the juice in action. I am wondering when the media will make a decision to go after the truth rather than just kissing the ring. If one needs a game, mine would be to limit taking a swig to every time Phil Liggett makes a negative comment about LA. You will then know what being sober is all about.

Popo was great before Brunyeel also

 

[altark123]

He is off to Europe

Latest Tweet:

Gr8 dinner at 41k ft w/ @annahansen, @maxarmstrong1, @johanbruyneel, @knollio, and richie. Departing for somewhwere remote in Europe


seems they were spot on about Euro recon and training.

 

[wattage]

Man..I hate what LA has become. I was a fan back in 99-05, I can still remember the summer of 2003 and the thrill of watching Armstrong crashing at Luz Ardiden and then attacking again. Wow, I was loving every minute of it. And why wouldn't I, back then he was still a bike racer and a die-hard athlete. When Armstrong made his announcement in 2008 that he was gonna come back, I was excited to see him racing again.

When 2009 Tour rolled around, I just couldn't care less about Lance. The whole situation was just maximum overkill, Lance this and that..he was just everywhere. When he made his comeback he said he didn't want any money from his team, because this comeback is about cancer. And all the money he would make during his comeback he would give away to charity. What a bunch of lies. I doubt hardly any of the money he has made since 2008 has been given to charity. It's all in Armstrongs own bank account. This comeback wasn't about cancer, it wasn't about cycling, it's all about MONEY. Why no reporters ask Armstrong where all that money has gone?

Now this situation with Landis going on, I truly hope there would be serious consequences for Lance. Lot of Armstrongs old teammates have paid the price for Armstrong success, but not Lance himself. Landis probably paid the ultimate price. There must be bad blood between him and others than just Landis. More than seeing him go to jail, I wish there would be a way to strip him off most of the money he has. Losing all those houses and money would just eat that guy up, cos that's whats he's all about. Moving in to some awful dump would be the ultimate sentence for him.

 

[kurtinsc]

Oh yes and to not be completely pessimistic, the way to deal with this is for WADA to make it a rule that all samples will be stored for X years and all samples will be retroactively tested upon the development of new tests.

I think they also need to have suspension not just hit the rider... but every member of the team from team manager to other riders to the guy giving massages.

Make the teams responsible for making sure all their riders are clean... if a rider fails a test, the whole team does and they all get punished harshly.

If the teams fear that their riders will test positive and ruin their entire team, they'll do the majority of enforcement before a rider gets to a race.

 

[flicker]

Man..I hate what LA has become. I was a fan back in 99-05, I can still remember the summer of 2003 and the thrill of watching Armstrong crashing at Luz Ardiden and then attacking again. Wow, I was loving every minute of it. And why wouldn't I, back then he was still a bike racer and a die-hard athlete. When Armstrong made his announcement in 2008 that he was gonna come back, I was excited to see him racing again.

When 2009 Tour rolled around, I just couldn't care less about Lance. The whole situation was just maximum overkill, Lance this and that..he was just everywhere. When he made his comeback he said he didn't want any money from his team, because this comeback is about cancer. And all the money he would make during his comeback he would give away to charity. What a bunch of lies. I doubt hardly any of the money he has made since 2008 has been given to charity. It's all in Armstrongs own bank account. This comeback wasn't about cancer, it wasn't about cycling, it's all about MONEY. Why no reporters ask Armstrong where all that money has gone?

Now this situation with Landis going on, I truly hope there would be serious consequences for Lance. Lot of Armstrongs old teammates have paid the price for Armstrong success, but not Lance himself. Landis probably paid the ultimate price. There must be bad blood between him and others than just Landis. More than seeing him go to jail, I wish there would be a way to strip him off most of the money he has. Losing all those houses and money would just eat that guy up, cos that's whats he's all about. Moving in to some awful dump would be the ultimate sentence for him.

Excuse me? Landis moved on to Phonak and made large dollars. He and Hamilton destroyed Phonak and ran off i-shares and other sponsors. Landis had his henchman try to intimidate LeMond. Landis hacked the French Control computer system. Landis tried to bankrupt the anti-doping system. Who know if he is bankrupt himself now or he pocketed the money he recieved from people like me who supported his defense.

I put Landis in the catagory of Iban Mayo and Ricardo Ricco and certain members of Gerlsteiner. Ran off sponsors. Landis is still trying it. Definetely a destroyer or cycling sport. Check it out he is trying to run Andy Riis out of cycling now. You know Andy Riis Verdad?

Lance will be fine. Landis could run off the Shack and Nike as sponsors. You really do not understand the business and sport do you?

 

[flicker]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

Then I want to see him payback the fans he bilked for his "defense" fund.
etc etc. Floyd is no different then Medhov. Pure sociopath.

After his apologies and restitution I would love to hear his story in a US Grand jury.

If Floyd had followed LeMonds' advise at his hearing he would have his money still and he might have helped clean up cycling.

As it is now I think Floyd will ruffle feathers but that is about it.

Including Bruyneel and Lance.

Floyd is just another Sancho Panza. Lancing windmills.

floyd will run the sponsors off though. What a pity. I don't see how Floyd can cleanup cycling.

 

[Hillavoider]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

Then I want to see him payback the fans he bilked for his "defense" fund.
etc etc. Floyd is no different then Medhov. Pure sociopath.

After his apologies and restitution I would love to hear his story in a US Grand jury.

If Floyd had followed LeMonds' advise at his hearing he would have his money still and he might have helped clean up cycling.

As it is now I think Floyd will ruffle feathers but that is about it.

Including Bruyneel and Lance.

Floyd is just another Sancho Panza. Lancing windmills.

floyd will run the sponsors off though. What a pity. I don't see how Floyd can cleanup cycling.

lol, lancing windmills with a Lance

 

[theswordsman]

More than seeing him go to jail, I wish there would be a way to strip him off most of the money he has. Losing all those houses and money would just eat that guy up, cos that's whats he's all about. Moving in to some awful dump would be the ultimate sentence for him.

Don't give up on the possibility. There are a number of angles, but this one is making the rounds via AP right now.

Authorities also plan to look at the contract between Armstrong and S.C.A. Promotions, which refused to pay a $5 million bonus to the cyclist in 2004 after a book alleged he engaged in doping. The seven-time Tour de France champion sued the company and the case was settled out of court after hours of testimony under oath. S.C.A. was forced to pay $5 million and about $2.5 million in penalties

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-cyc-doping-investigation,0,2656537.story

 

[gatete]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

Then I want to see him payback the fans he bilked for his "defense" fund.
etc etc. Floyd is no different then Medhov. Pure sociopath.

After his apologies and restitution I would love to hear his story in a US Grand jury.

If Floyd had followed LeMonds' advise at his hearing he would have his money still and he might have helped clean up cycling.

As it is now I think Floyd will ruffle feathers but that is about it.

Including Bruyneel and Lance.

Floyd is just another Sancho Panza. Lancing windmills.

floyd will run the sponsors off though. What a pity. I don't see how Floyd can cleanup cycling.

And then you would want Lance to do the exact same thing, uff what a list that must be.....

 

[Delicato]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

...

As much as I don't like Landis (though liked his gutsy attack on Lance), I think it isn't fair to say that he singlehandedly destroyed Phonak. Yes, it was certainly the coup de grâce on the team, though Phonak had a team-organized doping system (remember Camenzind, Santiago Perez, J.E. Guttierez Cataluna among others). No wonder they dissappeared, Phonak was in no way cleaner than US Postal or Liberty Seguros.

 

[Boeing]

Excuse me? Landis moved on to Phonak and made large dollars. He and Hamilton destroyed Phonak and ran off i-shares and other sponsors. Landis had his henchman try to intimidate LeMond. Landis hacked the French Control computer system. Landis tried to bankrupt the anti-doping system. Who know if he is bankrupt himself now or he pocketed the money he recieved from people like me who supported his defense.

I put Landis in the catagory of Iban Mayo and Ricardo Ricco and certain members of Gerlsteiner. Ran off sponsors. Landis is still trying it. Definetely a destroyer or cycling sport. Check it out he is trying to run Andy Riis out of cycling now. You know Andy Riis Verdad?

Lance will be fine. Landis could run off the Shack and Nike as sponsors. You really do not understand the business and sport do you?

and for my next trick I will produce a red herring out of a hat.....

you really don't understand logic do you....