The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Publicus]

Why is it that whenever Lance does ANYTHING there are 42 middle-aged people sitting on their computer and on this forum trying to make him seem like an idiot. Guess what, I am glad you release your blatant hatred for this man on this forum, but guess what? NO ONE who matters gives a rat's behind what you think of Lance, just like on one cares what I think. So keep rattling on about Pharmstrong and Geri-shack.....it really accomplishes something. Don't just label me a troll who is trying to hijack this board...I am a Lance fan but come here to read about all things cycling, I just had to get this off my chest. People act like teenagers on here sometimes.

This didn't have anything to do with Lance, but his supporters (including himself and Bruyneel) to offer up a myriad of excuses for his performance. There is no hate in saying that in July he was talking about how great he felt and that he was there to win and then post-Tour he and his supporters are talking about his injuries, or his time away from the sport, or yada, yada, yada. Or all of the talk about how much weight he's lost, and the race miles he has in his legs from last year, etc., etc., and he's losing contact on early climbs.

In short, he's set this dynamic in motion by talking so much about how much stronger he is this year, how much last year isn't a reflection of what he's really capable of doing. Perhaps he should just STFU, train and race and let the pieces fall were they may. It seems to work for every other cyclist in the world not named Lance Armstrong.

 

[BroDeal]

Why is it that whenever Lance does ANYTHING there are 42 middle-aged people sitting on their computer and on this forum trying to make him seem like an idiot. Guess what, I am glad you release your blatant hatred for this man on this forum, but guess what? NO ONE who matters gives a rat's behind what you think of Lance, just like on one cares what I think. So keep rattling on about Pharmstrong and Geri-shack.....it really accomplishes something. Don't just label me a troll who is trying to hijack this board...I am a Lance fan but come here to read about all things cycling, I just had to get this off my chest. People act like teenagers on here sometimes.

 

[Ferminal]

Good work on reply #2000 in the thread!

 

[53 x 11]

Why is it that whenever Lance does ANYTHING there are 42 middle-aged people sitting on their computer and on this forum trying to make him seem like an idiot. Guess what, I am glad you release your blatant hatred for this man on this forum, but guess what? NO ONE who matters gives a rat's behind what you think of Lance, just like on one cares what I think. So keep rattling on about Pharmstrong and Geri-shack.....it really accomplishes something. Don't just label me a troll who is trying to hijack this board...I am a Lance fan but come here to read about all things cycling, I just had to get this off my chest. People act like teenagers on here sometimes.

I really don’t understand? Who do you think matters, is it just you and Lance or does his mum matter as well? Do you just have some kind of obsessed hatred of teenagers, middle-aged people, computer users or all of the above? Or are you just ranting because you are now in an environment where people won’t tell you how great you and your man crush are?

If so you should probably reconsider some of your opinions as I think your life may get even more miserable than it may already be.

 

[Epoché]

no.

you are contradicting your own theories about not attacking to save the face if feeling unsure.

as you admitted, he attacked in the giro at least twice while whining all along that he was not in the best shape. he was dumped. why did he attack? why did he not not care about the embarrassment and encouraging his rivals ?

answer: he did not care about the embarrassment.

No.

Most of his main rivals were not there for the Giro, but those that were were on top form. Everybody knew Armstrong was not a main contender due to injury and not having done a grand tour for four years. Therefore if he attacked and blew up, it didn't matter as much - he was just a guy coming back into form against guys who were at their very best. Although, as I pointed out, he did not attack much there either.

In this situation, however, where he and the likes of Wiggins are more on a level playing field - early season and both not on the highest form - it's more damaging to try to attack and blow up against a main rival. He would look like a tit.

I'm more trying to explain his mindset, from my observations, than make excuses for him. I noticed in the Tour down Under he was quite happy to attack on the flat breakaways, but was careful not to try to up against Evans on the climbs.

He said in an interview about the Tour last year that he should have attacked sooner to stay with Kloden, Schleck and Contador on the stage where Kloden blew up, but feared cracking again, so waited too long before going (then made an impressive attack that dropped Wiggins)

In his old age he has gotten very cautious for obvious reasons. You have to be very careful not to waste too much energy, and also any failure is more embarrassing because it's immediately speculated that he is passed it. If he was young enough it wouldn't matter as much - we'd all know that he would be back to his best by the summer.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Meh - its March.

Of course he suffered, it is his first serious test since July. This is why he is in Murcia- try to sit on and suffer.
LA finished in the first group today - that in itself is what he went to Murcia for.

LA 2010 is obviously not LA 2005, but in Paris Nice in '05 he finished 140th in the 4km prologue, losing almost half a minute to Jens Voigt!

Here is his face before he packed Paris-Nice at the end of stage 3. So his base fitness is pretty good for this time of year.

Tomorrow he will test himself in the TT - I dont believe his Twitter, he should finish within 40 seconds of BW, it is only 22km.

 

[Epoché]

Well high jinx from Lance on Eurosport's Planet Armstrong today. As he leaves the hotel he says people want to see the camera man today, so he snatches the camera and starts filming the camera man as they walk. His bodyguard joins in and pretends to shield the camera man "don't touch"!

Then a short look around the bus and LA is interviewed. LA says his conditioning is good but is a bit out of sync with race pace due to a block of individual training in the lead up to the tour, but is where he wants to be at the time. Says he's better than last year at this stage.

Short clip from the early part of the race, then Lance is taken into doping control at the end of the stage.

Then Bruyneel is interviewed and says Lance did better on this climb today than in 2003.

End of today's episode.

 

[BroDeal]

Uh-oh, The BPC reality distortion field lives on.

In this situation, however, where he and the likes of Wiggins are more on a level playing field - early season and both not on the highest form - it's more damaging to try to attack and blow up against a main rival. He would look like a tit.

Sure. Like Armstrong would care. Whatever aura he had was destroyed last year.

I'm more trying to explain his mindset, from my observations, than make excuses for him. I noticed in the Tour down Under he was quite happy to attack on the flat breakaways...

That was not an attack. That was just a way to make the Aussies think they got something for their money.

He said in an interview about the Tour last year that he should have attacked sooner to stay with Kloden, Schleck and Contador on the stage where Kloden blew up, but feared cracking again, so waited too long before going (then made an impressive attack that dropped Wiggins)

If that is what passes for an impressive attack these days then he is in trouble. Waiting for Wigans to fade then coming around him was only impressive to the fanboys.

 

[cyclopeon]

There was a typhoon in progress.

No typhoons in the north Atlantic, by definition.

 

[BroDeal]

No typhoons in the north Atlantic, by definition.

Don't let reality get in the way of the excuses. It was a typhoon. Possibly it was combined with a hurricane, tidal waves, and a volcanic eruption...maybe even a meteor strike. There is no way Armstrong could have finished that race. It was just not humanly possible.

 

[cyclopeon]

Don't let reality get in the way of the excuses. It was a typhoon. Possibly it was combined with a hurricane, tidal waves, and a volcanic eruption...maybe even a meteor strike. There is no way Armstrong could have finished that race. It was just not humanly possible.

Ahh, 'igh sea, etc. Thank you for explaining

 

[Epoché]

No typhoons in the north Atlantic, by definition.

I was exaggerating for effect. The weather was bloody awful.

I went to Ireland in July and the weather was bloody awful then too. Great routes though.

 

[Ripper]

Well high jinx from Lance on Eurosport's Planet Armstrong today. As he leaves the hotel he says people want to see the camera man today, so he snatches the camera and starts filming the camera man as they walk. His bodyguard joins in and pretends to shield the camera man "don't touch"!

Then a short look around the bus and LA is interviewed. LA says his conditioning is good but is a bit out of sync with race pace due to a block of individual training in the lead up to the tour, but is where he wants to be at the time. Says he's better than last year at this stage.

Short clip from the early part of the race, then Lance is taken into doping control at the end of the stage.

Then Bruyneel is interviewed and says Lance did better on this climb today than in 2003.

End of today's episode.

I guess you are providing recaps because one else is watching this Planet A crap.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I was exaggerating for effect. The weather was bloody awful.

I went to Ireland in July and the weather was bloody awful then too. Great routes though.

Small World! ......... you didn't happen to meet this guy when you were cycling on "the great routes"?

I have relatives in Ireland and spent a couple of weeks in the Connemara region this summer, and did a lot of cycling. Absolutely amazing scenary and great routes, but the weather was poor. What made it worse was London was going through a heat wave at the time. Somehow it managed to miss the west of Ireland.

Wasn't the heatwave in London in July? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...s-heatwave-and-predicts-91F-for-Thursday.html

 

[Publicus]

Small World! ......... you didn't happen to meet this guy when you were cycling on "the great routes"?


Wasn't the heatwave in London in July? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...s-heatwave-and-predicts-91F-for-Thursday.html

I spy with my little eye, something starting with the letter 'T'....

 

[pedaling squares]

Small World! ......... you didn't happen to meet this guy when you were cycling on "the great routes"?


Wasn't the heatwave in London in July? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...s-heatwave-and-predicts-91F-for-Thursday.html

Impressive recall Doc. My favourite is still the time he was having a conversation with himself using identities 11 and 12, but soon forgot to log out of identity 12 and quoted his own comment with a message of support. I think the kids call that troll FAIL.

 

[El Oso]

Meh - its March.

Absolutely!

LA 2010 is obviously not LA 2005, but in Paris Nice in '05 he finished 140th in the 4km prologue, losing almost half a minute to Jens Voigt!

There are some interesting results:

1 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC 5.15
2 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Fassa Bortolo 0.02
3 Erik Dekker (Ned) Rabobank 0.03
4 Vladimir Gusev (Rus) Team CSC
5 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone 0.04
6 Nico Mattan (Bel) Davitamon-Lotto
7 Alberto Contador (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth
8 David Zabriskie (USA) Team CSC 0.05
9 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.06
10 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick Step

Not to mention some of the great time trialists who beat a certain then 6 time winner of the Tour de France:

14 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 0.07
39 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team CSC 0.11
41 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
86 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
100 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Lampre-Caffita 0.21
140 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 0.27

I don't care if its only a 4km time trial in March, someone who wins most time trials in the Tour should NEVER, unless there is a crash or mechanical, have a time trial like that.

Here is his face before he packed Paris-Nice at the end of stage 3. So his base fitness is pretty good for this time of year.

Here's another good one:

 

[BroDeal]

I don't care if its only a 4km time trial in March, someone who wins most time trials in the Tour should NEVER, unless there is a crash or mechanical, have a time trial like that.

It's like Moncoutie once said. Riders he was competitive with at the Dauphine would take a giant step up in performance.two weeks later at the TdF and he had no chance.

 

[Big GMaC]

Small World! ......... you didn't happen to meet this guy when you were cycling on "the great routes"?

Oh Snap! Nice work Dr.

 

[Angliru]

i dont agree with this analysis particularly because it's early march. it also does not agree with armstrongs own record in the giro last year. he attacked and was dumped repeatedly by the better riders. his fans explained - it was a training race. bs.

Attacking usually occurs off the front of the leading group. Armstrong's efforts, as I recall, were attempts to bridge to the elite group. One was successful, except Sastre chose to attack the group immediately after seeing Armstrong had made contact, leaving him dangling in their wake as everyone but him had the legs to react.

The other was when while in service to Leipheimer, Armstrong attempted to bridge, unsuccessfully to a group further up the road. This after Leipheimer was dropped by same group. Armstrong eventually realized his effort was futile and skulked back into his role as domestique. I may be confusing these two incidences because they could have been one and the same but I'm thinking they were separate.

 

[Epoché]

Dr. Maserati, you need to get out more.

Pedaling Squares, that never happened, of course.

 

[Race Radio]

Small World! ......... you didn't happen to meet this guy when you were cycling on "the great routes"?


Wasn't the heatwave in London in July? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...s-heatwave-and-predicts-91F-for-Thursday.html

Our resident doctor has made an expert diagnosis that the herpes of the message board has returned.

 

[Epoché]

I wonder how long he spent looking for that post. That's what I want to know.

 

[BroDeal]

I wonder how long he spent looking for that post. That's what I want to know.

It was obvious that you are BPC.

 

[Epoché]

It was obvious that you are BPC.

Which doesn't answer the question. He must have spent a good hour looking for the thread.