The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

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ckfrancis said:
that is beautiful machine.

i would ask all of you enjoyed bashing armstrong, what would you do if you had the athletic skills, financial, professional, and social opportunities he has?

I'd first acknowledge that much of it has been achieved through various compromises in truth, human trust and manipulation. If I could reconcile that I'd go the route of similar "stars" of sport and commerce and retire gracefully. If I believed I was an honest individual with much to offer the world; I'd contribute.
I couldn't tell you what the world looks like from his point of view.
 
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I would ask all of you enjoyed bashing armstrong, what would you do if you had the athletic skills, financial, professional, and social opportunities he has?

1. I would actively work to stop doping in cycling, and speak out against doping, and push hard to break the omerta and implement tests such as the CO test for analogous blood doping. If anyone in the world could make this come to pass, it would be Lance.

2. I'd stop all affiliation with Nike, and speak out directly against their labor, social and environmental connections. Having personally dealt with Nike as a contractor, they are the bottom of the bottom and I'd have nothing to do with them, period.

3. I would be much less of a bully to those that don't agree with me. The Simeoni situation comes to mind (for the first suggestion as well).

4. I'd do more to promote cycling in the United States. He's not doing a bad job of this now, and if he can bring the Coors' Classic back, I'd say chapeau to him. But mostly he just talks about things like this, and shows up at races where he can clean up on lesser level riders. This does bring in racers, but it would do just as much if he could show up as an honorary promoter, ride a few laps with the guys, and spend the rest of the time talking to the media, fans and riders, getting his picture taken with fans, LBS people, local businesses. That would do wonders. His name alone could also break down huge barriers for more local racing on a grass roots level. Things like getting roads closed or insurance expedited.

5. Form an elite group of ex-racers (preferably ex-teammates) to travel the country in my name and help promote cycling. I would appear with these guys at every photo op, and tell the world they are my team. This way, when these guys show up to local events, or make phone calls helping the sport as described in item #4 above, local people will respond.
 

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The astute youngsters are already copying Lance's new belly-breathing techniques!

Check out "the stunning stage 1 victory in the Volta a Catalunya today".....Paul Voss

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt/stage-1/results


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http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16546

You have to give credit to Alberto Contador. Having been nurtured by Johan Bruyneel since 2007, he has had to deal with missing the chance to defend his Tour de France title (in hindsight I suspect Carlos Sastre wouldn't have won the race), the return of Lance Armstrong, a financial crisis within the team and the Vinokourov fiasco, which resulted in his master (Bruyneel) following his too-senior pupil Armstrong to RadioShack. Cue mass exodus out of Astana, leaving Contador looking like the exercise freak among overweight and unfit cyclists you'll occasionally find gracing the rear of a Sunday morning club ride.

Maybe that's a bit harsh, however this Astana team seem to week to help Alberto come July. But it's all O.K, according to team director Guiseppe Martinelli. “We know what the big goal is for the season and we will arrive with a strong team,” said he following the Spaniard's victory in Paris-Nice, which followed success in the Volta ao Algarve. In regards to the lack of support Contador received in the race to the sun, he added: “No team can work from Sunday to Sunday. It is impossible to answer that many attacks.”
 
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cyclopeon said:
I'm not sure what this Bull guy is saying-- what language is he in??

I'm not sure, but it appears that he watched a version of Paris-Nice that was held in a parallel universe while also hitting a crack pipe repeatedly.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
He speaks Bullsh!t. Only Lance fans can understand it.

Yes BS we can agree on that but just for the sake of argument would you care to elaborate a little bit?

This part of the article describes very well Martinelli's main concern:

Theoretically speaking, if no breakaway group is allowed to amass a thirty minute lead in the opening week, one would expect Alberto to take the Maillot Jaune at Morzine-Avoriaz or Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne (stages eight or nine). That would leave Astana defending their leader for at least eight stages, four of which will be set in the unforgiving Pyrenées. If Martinelli is insistent that his squad could not pull or defend Contador during the Paris-Nice, the Schlecks, Bradley Wiggins and Team Bruyneel/Armstrong must be licking their lips.

It remains to be seen if Pereiro can rediscover his old self.

Okay they still got Tiralongo, Navarro, Hernandez, D. D. L. Fuente and then of course Vinokourov but it would be stupid not to consider the prospect of Contador being Isolated and what to do if that happens.
 
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ckfrancis said:
that is beautiful machine.

i would ask all of you enjoyed bashing armstrong, what would you do if you had the athletic skills, financial, professional, and social opportunities he has?

I would personally endorse products carrying the brand of any charity I founded FOR FREE, so the charity could get the highest possible cut of the sales revenue.

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Moose McKnuckles said:
He speaks Bullsh!t. Only Lance fans can understand it.

+1. I can see the 2 pronged attack from Saxo, Liquigas and Caisse, but where is the RS attack coming from? Kloden and Murayev? Certainly not Leecheimer or Cartstrong.
 
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Boleyn said:
+1. I can see the 2 pronged attack from Saxo, Liquigas and Caisse, but where is the RS attack coming from? Kloden and Murayev? Certainly not Leecheimer or Cartstrong.

Switch those two and it would make more sense. Anyhow I don't think any duo from Radioshack would cause Contador to lose any sleep.
Caisse And Saxo on the other hand could cause some trouble.
 
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Bike Boy said:
Yes BS we can agree on that but just for the sake of argument would you care to elaborate a little bit?

This part of the article describes very well Martinelli's main concern:



It remains to be seen if Pereiro can rediscover his old self.

Okay they still got Tiralongo, Navarro, Hernandez, D. D. L. Fuente and then of course Vinokourov but it would be stupid not to consider the prospect of Contador being Isolated and what to do if that happens.

Actually it's a rather stupid scenario. First, assuming AC takes yellow on Stage 8, he gives up on the next flat stage. There is no need to try and defend yellow for 13 stages. Second, this presumes that Astana and Martinelli won't have a strategy/tactic going into the Tour, which is a bit presumptuous. Third, his analysis pre-supposes that EVERY OTHER team gets stronger between now and July, but somehow Astana does not. Again, that's an odd presumption. Finally, he seems rather dismissive of Paris-Nice. It's a seven day stage race with few opportunities to gain large amounts of time and it is always difficult to defend the yellow jersey. To my knowledge (and that is admittedly limited), no team has controlled the yellow from beginning to end--and certainly not with a field that was as stacked as this past Paris-Nice.

In summation, I get the impression that he came into this piece with a pre-conceived notion (Astana is and will be weak) and he drafted a story accordingly.

EDIT: Btw, I think DDLF is a sure bet, but also Grivko, Fofonov and Navarro (at least at this stage). Those three did a considerable amount of quality work at Paris-Nice. I'm curious to see Jufre in action (he did well at Murcia) and Pereiro looks like he's rounding into form.
 
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Publicus said:
Actually it's a rather stupid scenario. First, assuming AC takes yellow on Stage 8, he gives up on the next flat stage. There is no need to try and defend yellow for 13 stages. Second, this presumes that Astana and Martinelli won't have a strategy/tactic going into the Tour, which is a bit presumptuous. Third, his analysis pre-supposes that EVERY OTHER team gets stronger between now and July, but somehow Astana does not. Again, that's an odd presumption. Finally, he seems rather dismissive of Paris-Nice. It's a seven day stage race with few opportunities to gain large amounts of time and it is always difficult to defend the yellow jersey. To my knowledge (and that is admittedly limited), no team has controlled the yellow from beginning to end--and certainly not with a field that was as stacked as this past Paris-Nice.

In summation, I get the impression that he came into this piece with a pre-conceived notion (Astana is and will be weak) and he drafted a story accordingly.

EDIT: Btw, I think DDLF is a sure bet, but also Grivko, Fofonov and Navarro (at least at this stage). Those three did a considerable amount of quality work at Paris-Nice. I'm curious to see Jufre in action (he did well at Murcia) and Pereiro looks like he's rounding into form.

I agree on all you point's. My angle is not how stupid that article is but more what kind of considerations would be wise for Martinelli to make regarding the posiibility that Contador may be isolated.

I will say one thing about that article though, it's beyond me to understand why he stated that the team (Astana) did such a poor job in Paris Nice.
As you said your self there's few opportunities to gain time and it's certainly not the type of race where it's common to see complete domination by one team, although CSC may be the exception Jaksche did actually lead the race from start to finish in 2004.
Yet another strong display by CSC when Julich took the title in 2005.
 
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Bike Boy said:
I agree on all you point's. My angle is not how stupid that article is but more what kind of considerations would be wise for Martinelli to make regarding the posiibility that Contador may be isolated.

I will say one thing about that article though, it's beyond me to understand why he stated that the team (Astana) did such a poor job in Paris Nice.
As you said your self there's few opportunities to gain time and it's certainly not the type of race where it's common to see complete domination by one team, although CSC may be the exception Jaksche did actually lead the race from start to finish in 2004.
Yet another strong display by CSC when Julich took the title in 2005.

Did not know that (learned something today).

As for Martinelli, I think he has to mindful of other team's interest and how to exploit them to his (AC's) advantage. Everyone seems settled on the tactic of multiple attacks against AC as the way to wear him down and his team down (mainly because of 2009 Paris-Nice). I'm not sure if that tactic will ultimately work, but I think it has potential to create other weaknesses the teams can exploit (not sure what they are but when one looks to combat one possible tactic, it leaves other avenues of attack--you cannot cover ALL the bases at once).
 
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How I see it he doesn't need to respond to many attacks, from watching alberto if somebody attacks that he's worried about he can just counter attack and he's gone. Guys like Levi, Kloden, Lance and Evans aren't going to get enough separation to bother AC they just stick around and ride a hard pace
 
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Publicus said:
Did not know that (learned something today).

As for Martinelli, I think he has to mindful of other team's interest and how to exploit them to his (AC's) advantage. Everyone seems settled on the tactic of multiple attacks against AC as the way to wear him down and his team down (mainly because of 2009 Paris-Nice). I'm not sure if that tactic will ultimately work, but I think it has potential to create other weaknesses the teams can exploit (not sure what they are but when one looks to combat one possible tactic, it leaves other avenues of attack--you cannot cover ALL the bases at once).

That's the key if you ask me. It's highly unlikely to see Liquigas, Saxo, Radio, Garmin and Sky join forces, they will of course fight against each other.
Writing about this makes me very excited, can't wait to see if Martinelli is up for the task.
 
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BroDeal said:

Man, just look at his torso-bloated midsection and that awful hump on his back. He looks huge.

Yeah, he'll be ready for the Criterium International no problem.:eek::eek::eek:
 
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